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And Christians as such had no better historical claim to any part of that than anyone else who ever held it.
They were there, at least in part, because Emperor Theodosius banned all non-Christian religious faiths and practices in 393 A.D. That's force.
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But, Julian's forces engaged only Persian forces in that campaign. There were no "Christian forces" involved (apart from whatever Christians there might have been in the Roman or Persian ranks).
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I want to thank those who promoted the discussion of religious suppression, committed in the name of Christianity. New information is made available, daily.
Thank you for prompting me to look, and to discover what is now available.
"The Ancient Olympic Games continued, apparently without interruption for almost 1200 years. In 393 A.D. the Roman Emperor Theodosius I (Fig. 20) banned all pagan festivals. In his espousal of Christianity he sought to eliminate the most publicly attractive, and thereby competitive component of pagan religion, athletic festivals such as at Olympia. Later, Theodosius II called for the destruction of all pagan temples."
391 A.D., Theodosius ordered the closing of all temples and banned all forms of pagan cult.
Theodosian Code-
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...3739696&uid=70&uid=63&uid=4&uid=3739256&uid=2
Hillgarth comments that by the time of Theodosius the church was a part of the “political and social structure of the oppressive empire.”
Young explains that around 391AD Theodosius issued an edict “that all pagan temples be closed.”[6]
Theodosius I banned the pagan practices associated with the Olympic Games and made Christianity the primary religion of the Empire for a number of reasons.
Greenslade comments that “Theodosius…crowned the work of Constantine,”[8] attempting to create a unified Empire “with a unified faith.”[9]
Theodosius attempted this partly in the hope that his laws would decrease the pagan religions and standardize Christianity. Theodosius was also subject to the Judaic and monotheistic ideas of Christianity.
Williams and Friell explain that the new Christian regime inherited the “jealous, militant monotheism of Exodus, as well as pre-eminent Judaic concern with the law.”[10]
The pagan religion was a heresy.
(*gsgs comment- I have read enough, to know what happens to people who insist on "committing heresy.")
Hillgarth explains that Theodosius I banned the use of areas of pagan worship such as temples and sanctuaries in XVI, 1, 2 (380).[13]
Theodosian code cites that “their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches,”[14] and that all pagan sites of worship should be abandoned in sight of the law and the new Christian dogma.
Young explains that the focal point of Olympia was the sanctuary of Zeus and the “renowned temple of Olympian Zeus.”[15]
In most modern histories the prohibition of the Olympic Games is attributed to the Emperor Theodosius in the fourth century. However, this theory is largely discredited through the study of Theodosian law.
Theodosius I did not ban the Olympic Games specifically but rather the pagan practices that were associated with them. Theodosius evidently did ban the pagan practices that were associated with the Games in response to Christian dogma and the desire to create and control a unified empire under one religion.
https://graecomuse.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/the-fall-of-the-ancient-olympics-the-theodosian-code/
Thank you for prompting me to look, and to discover what is now available.
"The Ancient Olympic Games continued, apparently without interruption for almost 1200 years. In 393 A.D. the Roman Emperor Theodosius I (Fig. 20) banned all pagan festivals. In his espousal of Christianity he sought to eliminate the most publicly attractive, and thereby competitive component of pagan religion, athletic festivals such as at Olympia. Later, Theodosius II called for the destruction of all pagan temples."
391 A.D., Theodosius ordered the closing of all temples and banned all forms of pagan cult.
Theodosian Code-
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.23...3739696&uid=70&uid=63&uid=4&uid=3739256&uid=2
Hillgarth comments that by the time of Theodosius the church was a part of the “political and social structure of the oppressive empire.”
Young explains that around 391AD Theodosius issued an edict “that all pagan temples be closed.”[6]
Theodosius I banned the pagan practices associated with the Olympic Games and made Christianity the primary religion of the Empire for a number of reasons.
Greenslade comments that “Theodosius…crowned the work of Constantine,”[8] attempting to create a unified Empire “with a unified faith.”[9]
Theodosius attempted this partly in the hope that his laws would decrease the pagan religions and standardize Christianity. Theodosius was also subject to the Judaic and monotheistic ideas of Christianity.
Williams and Friell explain that the new Christian regime inherited the “jealous, militant monotheism of Exodus, as well as pre-eminent Judaic concern with the law.”[10]
The pagan religion was a heresy.
(*gsgs comment- I have read enough, to know what happens to people who insist on "committing heresy.")
Hillgarth explains that Theodosius I banned the use of areas of pagan worship such as temples and sanctuaries in XVI, 1, 2 (380).[13]
Theodosian code cites that “their meeting places shall not receive the name of churches,”[14] and that all pagan sites of worship should be abandoned in sight of the law and the new Christian dogma.
Young explains that the focal point of Olympia was the sanctuary of Zeus and the “renowned temple of Olympian Zeus.”[15]
In most modern histories the prohibition of the Olympic Games is attributed to the Emperor Theodosius in the fourth century. However, this theory is largely discredited through the study of Theodosian law.
Theodosius I did not ban the Olympic Games specifically but rather the pagan practices that were associated with them. Theodosius evidently did ban the pagan practices that were associated with the Games in response to Christian dogma and the desire to create and control a unified empire under one religion.
https://graecomuse.wordpress.com/2012/02/17/the-fall-of-the-ancient-olympics-the-theodosian-code/
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It is not forbidden today.
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Pick up your dictionary Gramps. Extispicy and haruspicy are the same thing and are listed as synonyms defined so: "The study and divination by use of animal entrails, usually the victims of sacrifice."
Animal sacrifice is not forbidden today. It's considered a religious rite, and is therefore protected.
I don't think anyone actually uses entrails for divination, any more, though, not even in Voodoo or Santeria or Obeah.
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Likely not, but it's still not illegal or banned to do so if you wish to, which was VetteBigot's assertion.
BTW, regarding this National Prayer Breakfast:
And they were right to be concerned. The Fellowship, a/k/a The Family, is an extremely dangerous organization, based on power worship on the assumption that power is a sign of divine favor. See The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, by Jeff Sharlet (2009).
And they were right to be concerned. The Fellowship, a/k/a The Family, is an extremely dangerous organization, based on power worship on the assumption that power is a sign of divine favor. See The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, by Jeff Sharlet (2009).
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That fact is we had troops on the ground and other combat forces engaged.
There are many more examples in the history of warfare where "less" is flat out disaster. When minimal forces are involved, one can expect minimal casualties.
I did not endorse the Vietnam War, I fought it. There's a difference. My voluntary enlistment was an endorsement of the United States Marine Corps and an example of selfless duty to my country, having quit a good paying job to do so.
Volunteering during a war is an endorsement of the war. IF your country is wrong you don't serve it.
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Rather than read someone else's interpretation of the finding I think I'll go with the actual findings:
In Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah 508 U.S. 520 (1993), the United States Supreme Court struck down a ban imposed by the City of Hialeah, Florida, on Santería religious animal sacrifices practiced by the Church as contravening the religious freedoms guaranteed by the Free Exercise Clause of the Constitution of the United States. While the City of Hialeah claimed that its ban on ritual slaughter "not for the primary purpose of food consumption" was motivated by concerns for animal welfare and public health, the Supreme Court held that ample evidence showed that it was in fact motivated by animosity to the Santería religion and a desire to suppress it
The United States Supreme Court held that animal sacrifice and ritual slaughter were practices protected by the First Amendment's guarantee of religious liberty and that government could not enact targeted legislation suppressing religious practices under a guise of protecting animal welfare or promoting public health.
That finding would also make the law you cited unconstitutional should someone challenge it.
In Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah 508 U.S. 520 (1993), the United States Supreme Court struck down a ban imposed by the City of Hialeah, Florida, on Santería religious animal sacrifices practiced by the Church as contravening the religious freedoms guaranteed by the Free Exercise Clause of the Constitution of the United States. While the City of Hialeah claimed that its ban on ritual slaughter "not for the primary purpose of food consumption" was motivated by concerns for animal welfare and public health, the Supreme Court held that ample evidence showed that it was in fact motivated by animosity to the Santería religion and a desire to suppress it
The United States Supreme Court held that animal sacrifice and ritual slaughter were practices protected by the First Amendment's guarantee of religious liberty and that government could not enact targeted legislation suppressing religious practices under a guise of protecting animal welfare or promoting public health.
That finding would also make the law you cited unconstitutional should someone challenge it.
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Of all the times I wished Vette was right this might be the biggest.
Oh, it's not all that cruel to cut a chicken's throat with a knife! What are they bred for, anyway?!
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I guess. And it's probably better than factory farming all things considered. Still that's definitely one of those things where I would be quite comfortable telling people they can fuck right off about their so called rights.
Hey, at least they keep their nasty knives away from defenseless baby boys' foreskins.
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