Pregnant Pro-life Texas teen suffers "fetal demise", dies from sepsis due to Texas abortion law

[Rightguide]

My point, which you obviously missed, was that basic health care should not be subject to the various whims of state government.

There's nothing in the Constitution about "basic health care " either.

 

[dawnonyou]

There's nothing in the Constitution about "basic health care " either.

Excellent point. The constitution was DESIGNED to keep government small and avoid the government from creeping into peoples lives. But the sick human desire to control other people has done what it always does. The ruling class have an endless thirst for more and more control over others. No matter how much they gain they will always want more. To get more they always package the new controls in something that is frosted with sweet treats. "Free health care." "Free housing." "Free food!." "Gun control to make us SAFE!" It is all frosting on a turd. Under the frosting and along with the sweet goodness is the additional control of everyone's life that they so crave. They even want to control what other people's children are taught. It is a disgusting sickness but it thrives by playing upon human weakness and selfishness.

 

[ll74]

Excellent point. The constitution was DESIGNED to keep government small and avoid the government from creeping into peoples lives. But the sick human desire to control other people has done what it always does. The ruling class have an endless thirst for more and more control over others. No matter how much they gain they will always want more. To get more they always package the new controls in something that is frosted with sweet treats. "Free health care." "Free housing." "Free food!." "Gun control to make us SAFE!" It is all frosting on a turd. Under the frosting and along with the sweet goodness is the additional control of everyone's life that they so crave. They even want to control what other people's children are taught. It is a disgusting sickness but it thrives by playing upon human weakness and selfishness.

The Constitution was not designed to keep government small.

 

[Rightguide]

The Constitution was not designed to keep government small.

Yes it was. Nobody who signed the Constitution contemplated 963 federal agencies managing the lives of 340 million Americans and diminishing their personal freedoms.

 

[RobDownSouth]

There's nothing in the Constitution about "basic health care " either.

The Constitution said nothing about riding the short bus to school either, yet you rode one every single day....

It also said nothing about Veterans benefits or social security, yet you don't seem to complain much about those.

As a matter of fact, the only things you DO complain about are services you personally don't need or approve of.

I wonder why this is?

 

[ll74]

Yes it was. Nobody who signed the Constitution contemplated 963 federal agencies managing the lives of 340 million Americans and diminishing their personal freedoms.

All of which was done under the authority of the Constitution.

As I said.....nothing on the Constitution was designed to keep government small.

Over time, government has grown and shrunk based on what was needed at the time.....but nothing in the document prevented anyone from doing so.

 

[Rightguide]

The Constitution said nothing about riding the short bus to school either, yet you rode one every single day....

It also said nothing about Veterans benefits or social security, yet you don't seem to complain much about those.

As a matter of fact, the only things you DO complain about are services you personally don't need or approve of.

I wonder why this is?

Because I have to pay for them with taxes. When I reach your age I'll take my SS but it isn't as if I didn't pay for it.

 

[Rightguide]

All of which was done under the authority of the Constitution.

Or was never challenged.

 

[ll74]

Or was never challenged.

Same thing.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Because I have to pay for them with taxes. When I reach your age I'll take my SS but it isn't as if I didn't pay for it.

Do you pay for your own medical bills now? Or are you on Medicare? I'm guessing the latter, unless you get VA care for your "war injuries" like Bobo and Derpy.

 

[Politruk]

Excellent point. The constitution was DESIGNED to keep government small and avoid the government from creeping into peoples lives.

Quite the reverse. The Constitution was designed to create a more vigorous and effectual government than the Articles of Confederation allowed for. The Bill of Rights was only an afterthought.

 

[YDB95]

The framers also had the wisdom to recognize that time would bring changes they had no way of foreseeing, which is why they allowed for interpretation through the judicial branch, and changing the Constitution itself through amendments. The idea that they wanted their exact beliefs and values running the show hundreds of years hence would have been recognized at the time as absolutely absurd, which is just what it is.

 

[Politruk]

Originalism is never anything more than ventriloquism in a cemetery.

 

[dmallord]

Originalism is never anything more than ventriloquism in a cemetery.

Cute. I googled this quote and found a similar reference in an OSU article by Saul Cornell delving into Originalism that mentions ventriloquism but not in a cemetery. It is an informative piece on the Constitution and its historical perspectives.

Originalism article

 

[Swm_looking4fun]

A pregnant "pro-life" Texas 19 year old teen died from sepsis after her 6 month fetus died inside of her and the rotting flesh and bacteria from the fetus entered the mother's bloodstream caused massive organ shutdown in her body.

But because she was 6 months along in her pregnancy, past the point of fetal viability, this would have qualified under Texas law as a "Late term abortion" had an obstetrician done a routine D&C to flush out the rotting remains of her pregnancy to save her life, and might have caused a doctor to lose his/her license to practice medicine.

Women who have late term pregnancies and suffer the onset of catastrophic health issues are legally pariahs ("Untouchables") in Texas.

It's a gruesome way to die, and was easily treatable in a simpler pre-Dobbs era.

But hey, here on the political board @HisArpy glibly says "she should have simply gone to another state" and @Rightguide opines "geographic restrictions on health care are legal as there is no enumerated Constitutional right to health care".

This is what voters are up against this year...the callous disregard for women's health in the name of ideological purity.

A vote for Trump is a tacit approval for death by septic shock.

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In the United States, at least 350,000 people die from sepsis each year, which is a leading cause of hospital deaths. Sepsis is a life-threatening condition that occurs when an infection causes organ dysfunction

 

[PaxNurgle]

Excellent point. The constitution was DESIGNED to keep government small and avoid the government from creeping into peoples lives. But the sick human desire to control other people has done what it always does. The ruling class have an endless thirst for more and more control over others. No matter how much they gain they will always want more. To get more they always package the new controls in something that is frosted with sweet treats. "Free health care." "Free housing." "Free food!." "Gun control to make us SAFE!" It is all frosting on a turd. Under the frosting and along with the sweet goodness is the additional control of everyone's life that they so crave. They even want to control what other people's children are taught. It is a disgusting sickness but it thrives by playing upon human weakness and selfishness.

I actually agree with most of what you say, but when the government is mandating that a woman must carry a pregnancy to term- ANY pregnancy, regardless of what stage it is at, regardless of the circumstances, and regardless of the risk to her health- You are, in fact, MAKING GOVERNMENT LARGER AND CREEPING IT INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES. You are using the government to turn women into little more than breeding stock, into cattle. You are a woman; does this not bother you? In China, for a long time, they would actually force women to have abortions if they had more than one child already. Is this any different? NO! It's not! Both cases are the government creeping into people's lives and making personal choices for them.

 

[Politruk]

You are a woman

Not a chance.

 

[PaxNurgle]

You think it's a ChloeTzang type of situation then? It could be; I dunno.

 

[dawnonyou]

I actually agree with most of what you say, but when the government is mandating that a woman must carry a pregnancy to term- ANY pregnancy, regardless of what stage it is at, regardless of the circumstances, and regardless of the risk to her health- You are, in fact, MAKING GOVERNMENT LARGER AND CREEPING IT INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES. You are using the government to turn women into little more than breeding stock, into cattle. You are a woman; does this not bother you? In China, for a long time, they would actually force women to have abortions if they had more than one child already. Is this any different? NO! It's not! Both cases are the government creeping into people's lives and making personal choices for them.

I am not saying that a law by the government is going to fix anything. Murder is already against the law and it still happens many times every day of the week. The problem is deeper than that. The idea that a mother would WANT to murder her own unborn baby is horrific. As long as society in general views human life so cheaply then no matter how many laws are formed the problem remains. As a side point, what is your view of the right of the unborn? You don't want the government telling the mom anything one way or the other. But the mom and the good doctor or guy with a coat hanger can tell the baby, "WE have decided to kill you and you can't do a damn thing about it." The right to life starts with the first breath and not one second before? I think my view that the baby is alive and is human in the womb is the major difference in our viewpoints. Snuffing out millions of babies is easy as long as you tell yourself it is just a glob of protein.

 

[ll74]

I am not saying that a law by the government is going to fix anything. Murder is already against the law and it still happens many times every day of the week. The problem is deeper than that. The idea that a mother would WANT to murder her own unborn baby is horrific. As long as society in general views human life so cheaply then no matter how many laws are formed the problem remains. As a side point, what is your view of the right of the unborn? You don't want the government telling the mom anything one way or the other. But the mom and the good doctor or guy with a coat hanger can tell the baby, "WE have decided to kill you and you can't do a damn thing about it." The right to life starts with the first breath and not one second before? I think my view that the baby is alive and is human in the womb is the major difference in our viewpoints. Snuffing out millions of babies is easy as long as you tell yourself it is just a glob of protein.

Abortion isn't murder.

Probably understand that first.

 

[dawnonyou]

Abortion isn't murder.

Probably understand that first.

What is "murder"?

 

[ll74]

What is "murder"?

Murder is.homicide of a person.

 

[dawnonyou]

The Constitution was not designed to keep government small.

They were men with large minds. Small minds seek large government. Large minds see the wisdom of letting people enjoy life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Look at the gigantic waste of money that the gigantic government has spent drilling a hole for generations that are not born yet to pay for. Not at all what the founding fathers had in mind.

 

[dawnonyou]

Murder is.homicide of a person.

Is a dog a person? Or is the term person limited to human life?

 

[ll74]

Is a dog a person? Or is the term person limited to human life?

Yes, a person would be the definition you need there.

That would be after pregnancy has concluded.