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[OT]

Saturday Morning Trivia

I went to dinner and watched a movie last night.

The food was a 2, the movie a 4.
The food was bland and cold, the movie could have used a bit more dialog.

I formed opinions about the quality of each and had anyone asked, I would have offered my suggestions for improvement.
I'm not a chef nor have I ever produced a movie.

I read much better than I write.

My real name is not OT

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Agreeing 100% with everything Liar said.

And MET, Carrie tried to tell you this once, but I see it whooshed past you. Exceptance doesn't exist. It isn't a word. Maybe you're trying to get an exception from using the rules of English language, but you're going to have to learn to accept them before in any conditions to teach others.

 

[My Erotic Tail]

The Crowd~

A simple situation that describes this is:
An accident has occured and several
witness's say they saw the incident, Yet
as an officer the statements given by all
parties who are witness's are all different
because things are seen from different
angles and view points, this I believe is what
has occured here.

I get PM's daily from from many who are
upset from the one critic yet 10 praises...
Criticism and (1) votes. I never recieved a (1)
vote till this critic come to light, I also have so
many good votes it doesn't hurt me completely
then again I'm not writing for votes but some do.
Yes this doesn't give me proof that he did it. But
the matching shoe seems similar. I am trying to
figure a way to ease the sting of this wasp. My
suggestion has been simple, do as I and clean
house, remove his tangled web and delete his
twisting words. Simple.

I wish to find a way to ease the tension caused
by such an incident.

Liar,
I obviously have stepped on your toe, You bark
alot any way and I have given you more reason
by trying to expose the nature of such charactor
that you look up to. Sorry! You are correct I have
a freind who has a way with programs ...smiles
and like me enjoys a good game of "clue"...it takes
awhile but I'm patient. This person hasn't commited
any crimes, they have just shown their mentality and
upset some...in reality there are many such critics and
he is spotlighted. Your words are that of frustration...
why?

I have taken the heat for many who fear to say
anything for they wish their stories not to suffer from
steppin on toes. I hit the problem head on.

OT~
I know that is not your name?

Lauren~
not much gets by me...perhaps I should clear up
something...I don't teach grammer. I teach law
enforcement self defense and tactics. As well as
students, I own Inner Spirit Martial Arts, Texas...
..........So writing is a passion not a main stay,
and certainly I could use an english lesson or two.
I do how ever feel that encouragement is needed
more than someone telling others their work is
not good or giving grades on a amature site.
Yes I admire your work and see how well you do write,
The only ones concerned with proper grammer
are those who use it...I read stuff every day that
has mistakes in them...but I don't give a (1) vote
or tell them its not good because there is a mistake..
I praise them for their passion and the fact they
tried to express it in words...If you read a persons
soul (words) do you mock them for it?

Final note,
I wish to make amends in hearts that are torn...
I will bow out humble as I have been asked to let
this die down so that many will be happy and not
upset...that I respect. I don't wish to create turmoil
I only question a certain persons honorability....

but then I would have to question many wouldn't I?

Reminds me of Jim Baker...or Jim Jones...following
a leader whom they know not....

If you have any questions or concerns please PM me.
For I will go back to my corner of lit where I spend
many pleasant hours..as all of you do to.....

Budda and god were called to lit to help many
who cried tears of unhappiness...they sat and
watched as many hashed out and lashed out..
They began to see different sides to this arguement
and god and budda began taking sides and they too
began to argue...becoming enraged with each other
because they couldn't make the other see it from
their perspective.

Budda with his barrel laugh began to chuckle...
god looked at him suprised then found himself
laughing too...budda and god walked away
laughing...god asked..."What of my unhappy
children though?"...Budda said..."they too can
walk away for it is such a small thing they spat
of.."....."They must be happy arguing...or they
would let it go and go on with more pleasant
things and thoughts..."

So I will do as I was asked and let the critic be himself
and those who get upset from his questionable
mentality I will go and bring light to their darkness
and help the flower grow by plucking the weed
that was sprouted in their garden of passion. I see
that this is far better a thing than extermination
of one lone bug. There are many of the same..I
won't STOMP or step on all, I will do what I can
to bring a smile to those who were given a frown.

I am not perfect, and a Tiger in the chicken coop
seems to have stirred fear and unhappiness. I
will return to the jungle and restore peace if I can.

I have been enlightened by all this...so it was not
wasted time...smiles...and If you want to catch a
skunk, don't make alot of noise. Grin

 

[minsue]

Re: The Crowd~

I obviously have stepped on your toe, You bark
alot any way and I have given you more reason
by trying to expose the nature of such charactor
that you look up to. Sorry! You are correct I have
a freind who has a way with programs ...smiles
and like me enjoys a good game of "clue"...it takes
awhile but I'm patient. This person hasn't commited
any crimes, they have just shown their mentality and
upset some...in reality there are many such critics and
he is spotlighted. Your words are that of frustration...
why?

I have taken the heat for many who fear to say
anything for they wish their stories not to suffer from
steppin on toes. I hit the problem head on.

I just don't get it, Art. I don't see any malice or rudeness in YDD's comments. I don't see any "barking" by Liar. I certainly don't see any of the reactions here as being based on any kind of personal friendship with YDD. It could be, I don't know. I do know that I don't know YDD at all (even if this person has a handle that I do know, I don't know that I know so it doesn't effect my opinions, ya know? ), but I do have strong feelings about this and have felt the need to comment on it on all three boards. For me, and likely for a number of others, it has nothing to do with your "exposing the nature of someone I look up to". I take offense to what I see as baseless slander. That is all.

(I will also PM you as requested, but I'm also posting since you're not the only one here I wish to adress.)

- Mindy

 

[Tathagata]

Originally posted by sarahhh
deleted for the sake of general sanity

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: to My Erotic Tail

 

[Tathagata]

Re: Re: Re: to My Erotic Tail

 

[Guest]

Re: Re: Re: Re: to My Erotic Tail

The cat wasn't yowling at you but at the thread in general..........




someone put a match to it, please.

 

[Tathagata]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: to My Erotic Tail

The cat wasn't yowling at you but at the thread in general..........




someone put a match to it, please.

ahhhhhhhh
thank you
( I agree)

 

[HornyHenry]

Ahh, but

Just for the record, YDD left some very good comments on my stuff posted on 5/5/04....

Did he give you a "1" or "2" vote at the same time?

His comments are just words that can hurt, help, inform, transform, or many other things. But his "1" votes screw up the whole voting system!

 

[Liar]

Re: Ahh, but

Did he give you a "1" or "2" vote at the same time?

His comments are just words that can hurt, help, inform, transform, or many other things. But his "1" votes screw up the whole voting system!

His "1" votes?

This sems to be some kind of bad twilight zone loop. I try to be patient and explain, but it is obviously not working...

Voting is anonymous. If it is YDD, me, or Buffy The Vampire Slayer giving a certain vote, is something you can not know. Unless you have personally seen, on several occations, one YDD comment and one 1 vote entering at the same time, (and you got to be obsessively watching your scoreboards to even spot it) you might have a suspicion. Have you?

I'm not saying that YDD is not a vile, fork tongued, miscevous slam-voter either. He might be. He might be Antichrist or Richard Ashcroft for all I know. The point here is, I haven't got the first clue about it. So I rather give a bloke the benefit of doubt.

Besides, it's just votes. Who gives a toss?
Yep folks, you heard it, it's open season to go slam-vote Liars poerty, if that's what turns you on.

#L

 

[Liar]

Re: The Crowd~

Liar,
I obviously have stepped on your toe, You bark
alot any way and I have given you more reason
by trying to expose the nature of such charactor
that you look up to. Sorry!

You have a strange way of seeing things, friend. Does patiently taking the effort to explain a few things constitute barking? I just thought you had a few basic things wrong, and read too much into what I can only see as the most faint clues. I don't look up to YDD more than I look up to you. I consider you both my peers, nothing else.

You are correct I have
a freind who has a way with programs ...smiles
and like me enjoys a good game of "clue"...it takes
awhile but I'm patient. This person hasn't commited
any crimes, they have just shown their mentality and
upset some...in reality there are many such critics and
he is spotlighted. Your words are that of frustration...
why?

If I didn't make that clear in my previous post, then I'm afraid you will never understand it. I really don't know how to explain it in simpler words than this: Some people here, you included, have been running a hurtful smearing campaign against this YDD bloke, for reasons so vauge that I can't even begin to understand how you connected the dots.

Consider this: If you are wrong about this person, you have caused him much more pain than he ever caused any poet with any insensitive comment remark. I believe in 'Innocent until proven guilty'. And so far, noone has proven anything. You all went straight for the public lynching instead.

Why should that not frustrade me?

#L

 

[Angeline]

Re: Re: Ahh, but

His "1" votes?

This sems to be some kind of bad twilight zone loop. I try to be patient and explain, but it is obviously not working...

Voting is anonymous. If it is YDD, me, or Buffy The Vampire Slayer giving a certain vote, is something you can not know. Unless you have personally seen, on several occations, one YDD comment and one 1 vote entering at the same time, (and you got to be obsessively watching your scoreboards to even spot it) you might have a suspicion. Have you?

I'm not saying that YDD is not a vile, fork tongued, miscevous slam-voter either. He might be. He might be Antichrist or Richard Ashcroft for all I know. The point here is, I haven't got the first clue about it. So I rather give a bloke the benefit of doubt.

Besides, it's just votes. Who gives a toss?
Yep folks, you heard it, it's open season to go slam-vote Liars poerty, if that's what turns you on.

#L

Buffy the Vampire Slayer gave me a one? Damn.

 

[Deborah]

Appalling

I read sarahhh's post last night before you deleted it. I see she has posted it again in the Story Feedback forum.

Thumbs down big time for the forum moderators.

You should all be fired.

 

[Angeline]

Re: Appalling

I read sarahhh's post last night before you deleted it. I see she has posted it again in the Story Feedback forum.

Thumbs down big time for the forum moderators.

You should all be fired.

Why? I'm a moderator on this forum and I have yet to see any evidence that I or any other moderator here has done anything wrong. I'm not YDD and I don't know for sure, of course, but I seriously doubt Wicked Eve or Lauren is. Elizabetht says she knows who YDD is. Fine--let's see her out whoever it is then and get it over with.

And what, specifically, has been done to anyone? I have never, I mean NEVER, lowballed a vote (I don't mean the thermometer thingy, though I don't set them low either--don't believe in it), the actual vote. If I think a poem is unredeemingly bad, I say nothing. If I think a poem has problems and I have suggestions that I think might help, I suggest them. I do it respectfully and if the person doesn't want to take them, I understand. This forum has always operated that way--before we had public comments it was done in feedback or here in posts. Why is that bad?

Anyone who puts up a poem for public consumption is going to hear some opinions. I don't condone nasty opinions--I think they're rude and help nothing. If you were to go back and search my posts on this forum--from my earliest days here--you'd see I have always advocated for feedback being constructive and respectful.

And I really have not a clue who YDD is. At one point I had a suspician that it was someone who used to be here, but left the board but I was wrong. To say this person is my god because I defend his or her right to have an opinion--as I would anyone, whether I agree with it or not--is laughable.

I've seen a lot of mudslinging and innuendo in these posts, and I have no desire to participate in that. It's not my purpose in being here. And frankly, if someone wants to write a poem and not edit it, submit it with misspellings or other problems, it really is none of my business. I'm not the grammar police, but I'm also not going to change my opinion--my respectfully dissenting opinion--because someone doesn't like it. Would you change yours for that reason?

If I thought I wasn't acting in the best interests of this forum I wouldn't offer to moderate it. And I have no doubt that if Laurel thought I was lowballing or badmouthing or whatever and giving the forum a black eye, she wouldn't want me here. Anyone who thinks they have anything on me that would prove I was doing either of those things--or anything else that is somehow undermining this board is more than welcome to report it to Laurel, but you'd better make sure you have your facts straight because so far I see an awful lot of talk and not one fact.

I don't want another war and I respect your right to your opinion, but I'd love to see, objectively, what any mod on this forum has done to hurt anyone. And the argument that *facts* don't count (which I saw made in one post back in one of these threads) is, in my opinion, just nutty. On what else would you like to condemn people? Lies? Innuendo?

 

[mismused]

Re: Appalling

I read sarahhh's post last night before you deleted it. I see she has posted it again in the Story Feedback forum.

Thumbs down big time for the forum moderators.

You should all be fired.

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The following was also posted on The Story Feedback baord:

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Re: WTF is right

quote:Originally posted by Deborah
What in the hell is going on in this place, Cheyenne? You got forum moderators pulling this crap? I read sarahhh's post last night. before it was deleted. Seemed rather harmless to me.

Well, I guess I'll just go tell those people what I think of them.

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Deborah,


Pure censorship??


Against censorship ©

If in my mind, I could know,
What we all could wish were so,
I, too, would say:
"Yes, let's bring back 1984!"


Whatever sarahhh was writing about, we will never really know. When a post is made, the poster can usually edit their own post, but there is still evidence that some kind of post has been made.

That was originally the case, that the evidence was still there, that is, viz:

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Tathagata
Psychedelic Pandemonium

Registered: Feb 2004
Location: East Coast
Posts: 2033

quote:Originally posted by sarahhh
deleted for the sake of general sanity


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As you can see, the "skeleton" was there, else where would this poster have gotten what is in the body of their post.

However, the censors apparently decided to take even the last vestige of a post from what they considered their sacred site.

". . . For the sake of general sanity."

Oh, my! Isn't that what every tyrannical despot is always saying?

Not only was the body of the post removed, but the skeleton was also buried. Thanks to Tathagatha, we have evidence of the grave.

Beware that this doesn?t become a "mass" grave burying you, yours, and all that we're supposed to hold dear to us. This would seem to be blatant censorship, though we can never know, for I couldn't even tell what post sarahhh was referencing in her article in the Story Feedback thread.

Is this what you folks really want? Hmm?

If so, tsk-tsk (shakes head in deep sorrow)!

Hopefully those of you who are loathe to criticize your own will talk to your hearts and come to see that some ideals are worth fighting for even if it is against those few (yes, they are probably just a few) who would have you follow like blind lemmings whether it is over a cliff or not.

Do not let it be that 1984 was really meant to be 2004.

"Let it not be that Oceania has always been our friend."

"Oceania has always been our enemy."

(Or was Oceania the country the story was set in? Oh, well, you get the idea, I hope.)

By the way, who is/are the editor(s)? What is his/her/their agenda to so "worry" over the "general sanity?" This would be so funny if it wasn't so sad.

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Electronic Frontier Foundation
National Coalition Against Censorship
Free Speech Coalition

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[Liar]

Oh my.

 

[Guest]

This is getting beyond ridiculous.


X 20

 

[champagne1982]

why is this hauled back up again and again? ... 95% of the world can get over it and with the exception of the very vocal few, most people are functioning away from all of this.

I hate thinking that I'll have to use the block feature in order to filter out the abhorent squeals from the sty but I'm relieved knowing that the option exists for me to do so.

mismused: you seem bent on hauling bits of bullshit from all over the lit forum boards. Why?

It's not neccessary to do so. If you don't like being moderated, get the fuck off a moderated board and deal with it someplace else. I'm impressed that this thread has stayed here for as long as it has. FYI, it could have been removed long ago and not just by the moderator, aka The Poets, but by Kitty Mama herself.

 

[Angeline]

Mismused, I don't know any of the other forum moderators--only the ones on this board--well, plus Killer Muffin who sometimes posts in this forum. Moderators don't meet, online or off as far I know--so I don't see how there could be any conspriracy to suppress anything anyone is trying to say. Yes, there are some rules moderators are expected to follow but they're the same ones that apply to you, listed in a sticky post in every forum. Moderators can remove posts, true, but only if they clearly break the posted rules, like spamming or giving out personal information about another user.

Personally, I've never delated a post though I would if I had to--not to censor anyone but only if the post was clearly outside the guidelines in which we have to operate. Those guidelines are set by Laurel and Manu and they have to do with protecting users' rights, not censorship. No one--not a moderator or Laurel or Manu is going to delete a post unless it clearly breaks the rules. In other words, everything you just said is fine, but if you also were spamming or revealing my home address or whatever in the same post, it would be deleted. That's it. Check with Laurel if you don't believe me.

What's more, I don't think that any moderator is going to remove a post and then *post* that it was removed for *general sanity*--that makes no sense. Perhaps sarahh edited her own post and removed it herself. Did anyone check that? If I were going to remove a post, I'd take if off the board and also pm the person who posted it, explaining why I did so, that is explaining what Literotica rule it violated. If I wasn't sure whether I should take it off I'd check with Laurel first.

Your talk of censorship mystifies me. Nobody here has ever done this to the best of my knowlege. I don't know Laurel very well, but what I do know of her is that she would never sanction that kind of behavior from anyone moderating a forum here.

And what is this talk of protecting our own? Whom? YDD? Because I think he has a right to his/her own opinion? How is that protection? Let me reiterate that if anyone has evidence of censorship or mistreatment of any kind from another user, report it to a moderator--if the one you think is doing something in violation of the rules *is* the moderator, report it to Laurel, but again you have to be able to justify what you say with specific information. Amorphous claims about censorship or other allusions of mistreatment or conspiracy aren't enough--be prepared to say exactly what the problem is.

 

[Angeline]

why is this hauled back up again and again? ... 95% of the world can get over it and with the exception of the very vocal few, most people are functioning away from all of this.

I hate thinking that I'll have to use the block feature in order to filter out the abhorent squeals from the sty but I'm relieved knowing that the option exists for me to do so.

mismused: you seem bent on hauling bits of bullshit from all over the lit forum boards. Why?

It's not neccessary to do so. If you don't like being moderated, get the fuck off a moderated board and deal with it someplace else. I'm impressed that this thread has stayed here for as long as it has. FYI, it could have been removed long ago and not just by the moderator, aka The Poets, but by Kitty Mama herself.

Hi Carrie.

I wouldn't take any of these posts off for the reasons I just gave mismused. If someone's posts really irriate me--something that has only happened twice since I've been here, I just put the person on Ignore status. I'm not giving anyone a hard time for having an opinion, even if it does seem to fly in the face of logic--that WOULD be censorship.

The only reason I responded the past two times in this thread is because I think these claims about the mods are unfair. I've personally put a lot of time into trying to help people because I love poetry and I believe one learns by helping. I know Eve and Lauren are equally sincere. And I know--of course--that you understand all this--I'm just piggybacking on your post, trying to explain.

 

[Lauren Hynde]

A post in violation of Forum Guidelines will always either be deleted or moved to the appropriate Forum.

The deletion of that post was a judgement call that was explained to Sarah in PM. If she has any problem with it, she can take it to Laurel.

 

[annaswirls]

my cat's breath smells like cat food

 

[Deborah]

A post in violation of Forum Guidelines will always either be deleted or moved to the appropriate Forum.

The deletion of that post was a judgement call that was explained to Sarah in PM. If she has any problem with it, she can take it to Laurel.

What exactly did sarahhh say that violated your forum guidelines?

When did you PM her about deleting her post?

 

[champagne1982]

What exactly did sarahhh say that violated your forum guidelines?

When did you PM her about deleting her post?

perhaps you should ask sarahhh in pm or at the very least pm the moderators of this board. Unless you are sarahhh, what business is it of yours?