Public Humiliation For Your Enjoyment

[Marquis]

a tasteless thread?

My point exactly.



So what was your raging hard-on all about?

 

[bg23]

My point exactly.



So what was your raging hardon all about?

*shakes head

you can't seriously be asking me that.

you know exactly why i took issue with your thread in the beginning.

 

[Marquis]

*shakes head

you can't seriously be asking me that.

you know exactly why i took issue with your thread in the beginning.

*nods head*


You feel kinda tingly when you read Marquis, don't you?

 

[bg23]

Oh spare me

If I wanted to read some callow boy's pathetic attempt at cyberdomming complete with his furious thumbing through the thesaurus to find big words to impress all the little girlies, I'd wander down to the local high school.

As it is you're still a baby, baby.

 

[catalina_francisco]

http://www.smilies4you.de/content/sonstige/aa25.gifLOL, welcome back with the thread Marquis. As to being classy, well you already know my thoughts on that where you are concerned. Congratulations on presenting your case in a sane and methodical way which showed positive results, not only for your own reputation and freedom of speech, but for upholding the right of posters on the BDSM board to post in a way which is often particular to our kink and not always understood for what it is by the mainstream.http://www.smilies4you.de/content/sonstige/b7.gif

And for those questioning the proof (at risk of upstaging Marquis), I have seen the proof and believe me, it is genuine and could be nothing other than real....and it doesn't look to me like the lady in question is feeling upset about being publicly humiliated in this manner....quite the opposite I would say.

Francisco & Catalina

 

[YinandYang]

Well done Marquis !

I like people who fight for their ideas when they believe are right !

My sentiments exactly

 

[TaintedB]

It's the magical disappearing re-appearing thread! OIC--it's almost the same thread, but not quite. ;0

One thing that astonishes me about all of this, as I said in one of the threads generated by the original, is that, of all the people who should have been most incensed by it (and rightfully, if people were going to be pissed off it should have been those who know our man and post with him daily in this forum, I would think), the last group I would have expected would have been was those crude, spiteful outlaws on the GB, a place whose casual daily cruelty makes the MarGuis's post look like a charming and pleasant little screed. :/ Hypocrisy is fascinating. Of course I realize that not everybody on the GB is a hater and an emotional assassian, but by being a regular there I think you give your implicit support to that sort of dirty behavior.

The second thing that really suprised me about this post is that nobody thought of or bothered to ask Marquis for more details. People assumed that this tiny, tidy-seeming message told the entire story in a neat nutshell and and jumped all over him for the simplistic tale it told. To me, the most noticable thing about the post were that huge pieces of info. were missing from the story. I wasn't curious enough to inquire about them, but had I been, the first thing I would have asked about is what specifically this woman had said or done that inspired a person who's never, to my knowledge, engaged in this sort of message-board behavior before, to post her pic and write that scathing message. Message-board posters don't usually do things that are completely atypical of their normal posting behavior unless there are extraordinary circumstances prompting such behavior. And even then most are so cowardly that they they give this extraordinary behavior to an alt that nobody knows (I also learned _that_ from the GB--educational place that it is! Rule#1 there: if you're a popular poster, you take your shits and stink up the place with another another ID, so your neato popularity rep isn't mussed. ).

Third thing that astonished me was the sterotypical thinking involved with it came to Killi's involvement. If she had been vanilla and just defending her boyfriend, nobody would have said a thing about it. Duh, she loves him and she also thinks he is right, so why shouldn't she defend him? On the GB, people in love or lust defend each other quite hotly all thee live-long day. But because she was known to be a _submissive_ bdsm practioner, all of a sudden, BOOM! she'd done this many times before (although she hadn't at all, never once before) and of course all of this meant she was automatically a doormat. "Her words speak volumes" or so I was told. The thing is, her defense of Marquis didn't speak volumes, if she had been straight it would have been ignored or taken as a sign of a quite spirited and independent woman not afraid to speak her mind, not as the words of a doormat, except to someone with extremely limited, illogical, and prejudiced ideas about what a submissive personality is really like. If she hadn't said anything, that would have, undoubtedly been twisted into undeniable proof of her doormathood too. No, she would never choose to not say anything thanks to her own mind and experiences with online shitstorms and a desire to stay clear of them. Nope, she must be completly tyranized by the Marquis into not making a peep! The bully! The Doormat! Oh the humanity!!! That's how the "logic" (cough) would probably have gone. To a person who has built an irrational emotional case in their head, any event or behavior no matter how contradictory, can be turned into "undeniable proof" that supports their case. So Kili's very clearly NON-doormat behavior was taken as proof that she was some sort of totally dead personality with no thoughts or emotions of her own, lolol. (I personally have rarely seen words less doormat like that hers!)

The lesson I take away from the way Killi was treated is that clearly the straights are still pathetically ignorant and ill-informed about us, even the straights who are our "next-door neighbors," cyberly speaking. We have a lot of educating left to do. :/ Bleah, I think sometimes, why bother with the stups! Are they worth it? Or do we need to do it just so they don't literally burn us at the stake someday, the way they so casually do in the metaphorical sense.

 

[TaintedB]

a question?
then an answer....
we seem
to be left with...

a smug
backpedaling
cyberdom.

quite attractive;
though
contradictory
in so many ways...

no power
in this display.

Why is taking a questionable post down, asking the owners of a forum whether it actually breaks their rules, getting a definitive answer of "no" from them, and then re-publishing post, contradictory, smug, or backpedalling? You try to hide the illogic and emptiness of your conclusions behind the screen of a poetic form, pathetically executed, by the way.

If what you're referring to is Marquis's apology, I understand much better. Every single time somebody sincerely apologizes for something on the GB, twenty or so cynics--who are cynics not because they think the least bit critically minded but because they have this pathetic desire to appear kewl to others--jump in screaming about how fake that apology is, how stupid and henious the individual is, how it's clearly "backpedalling" (one of the most overused words on the GB). BIG YAWN! Empty online cynics with nothing real or factual to back up their cynicism are such bores. But if you want to see them come skittering out of the online woodwork like disease-bearing cockroaches, all you have to do is something honest and sincere and positive, like say "I'm sorry."

 

[Debbie]

I'm a 'nilla straight GBer.
I have chosen to live the vanilla life. But that does not mean I am ignorant
about the BDSM lifestyle.

And I would have taken up anyone who automatically defends their partner
etc when they seemingly condone inappropriate behaviour - no matter what their sexual orientation or lifestyle is.

TaintedB, I think you are a wee bit one eyed when it comes to straight vanilla people or those who post on the GB.

Having an open mind is a wonderful thing.

Again I will reiterate I mainly lurk on the BDSM board because I think my questions/opinions will be greeted with a lot of disdain. Because I am living a 'nilla lifestyle. It doesn't mean I am not open minded or willing to embrace and learn more about other people, how they think and what their kinks, experiences are.

People stagnate when they are closedminded and aren't receptive to differences.

 

[TaintedB]

Proof doesn't hide from the sun.

Perhaps not in a court of law, but in real life the truth often does, because in the full light of the sun any old idiot might get hold of it and warp it into just another lie. There's a very good reason why treasures are buried in ruins, o wise writer.

Showing your co-moderator and showing the owner of this forum said proof is not hiding from the sun, BTW. Offering to send said proof to anybody who PMs him is also nothing hiding anything. On the other hand, not posting such proof publically for thosands to read may be saving someone nice (like the girl in question) from something that would _actually_ be cruel to her. Ya think?

Or do you?

 

[Debbie]

Does TaintedB have me ignore? Tune in soon for an update. This was debbie live from NZ asking the hard questions.

 

[WriterDom]

What exactly are you protecting? Her ?cyber? identity? But yet, this "proof" will be sent to anyone who asks? If it is wrong for thousands to read, why is it ok to share at all?

And the picture was only viewed 63 times. My guess is a handful, not thousands would be interested in the proof.

 

[bg23]

debbie, i'm waiting too.

I took no part in this whole incident up until this point, though I observed it; I shall endeavour to make my response brief.

I don't ever post on this board, since I personally have no interest in BDSM (I'm a bit conservative, I prefer my sex be romantic and my political prisoners be in dungeons and not vice versa), but if we take the beginning and end of this controversy, in a general sense, I'm rather pleased. The middle part, the clannish bickering and self-righteous indignation of groups that had no reason for enmity, was not so pleasant (though it was terribly amusing, but we must laugh at man to keep from crying for him), but in the end I think, as Marquis did have permission to use the picture, the correct outcome was served. I'm think it's a good sign that a) people were willing to question it, because I think it is important to sometimes b) that Marquis did make a point of standing up for his right to post it and c) that the issue was settled in favour of responsible free expression.

Regarding the issue of proof of the picture, the question was not really whether the picture was given to him (as the writing of his name clearly identified), but whether or not he had permission to post it on here. It's not an easy issue on the internet, because it's a bit fluid of a medium. However, if Laurel accepts that permission was granted unto Marquis to post the picture, then as I, rather prematurely, said in the thread on the GB: Laurel locuta, causa finita. It's a benevolent autocracy, Literotica, so whilst one has the right to petition, the word of the administration is rather final.

A bit of forewarning though, so long as people on either side continue to regard themselves as inherently distinct from and superior to the other, a contentious relationship will continue to remain. So long as people make this into an issue of sexual preferences, rather than the issue of permission to use a picture that it was, there will be a problem. It was not and never truly has been an issue of BDSM vs. non-BDSM, or the BDSM board vs. a non-BDSM board. So long as people on this board or the GB continue to regard it as such, nothing will have been learned from the entire incident.

And I would have to add that, throughout the whole incident, I think Marquis has reacted very well and handled himself in rather dignified manner; the same cannot be said for other people, even some people I'm rather fond of.

The moral of the story is some combination of "Can't we all just get along?" and "A plague o' both your houses!" Er... "Can't we all plague both your houses?"

Sadly, yes, this is brief for me.

you're so hawt when you're all wise and stuff.

 

[Marquis]

Why is taking a questionable post down, asking the owners of a forum whether it actually breaks their rules, getting a definitive answer of "no" from them, and then re-publishing post, contradictory, smug, or backpedalling? You try to hide the illogic and emptiness of your conclusions behind the screen of a poetic form, pathetically executed, by the way.

If what you're referring to is Marquis's apology, I understand much better. Every single time somebody sincerely apologizes for something on the GB, twenty or so cynics--who are cynics not because they think the least bit critically minded but because they have this pathetic desire to appear kewl to others--jump in screaming about how fake that apology is, how stupid and henious the individual is, how it's clearly "backpedalling" (one of the most overused words on the GB). BIG YAWN! Empty online cynics with nothing real or factual to back up their cynicism are such bores. But if you want to see them come skittering out of the online woodwork like disease-bearing cockroaches, all you have to do is something honest and sincere and positive, like say "I'm sorry."

The most amusing thing to me is, despite the outcome, I'm the only one who has apologized for anything.

 

[jasonlf]

I've seen at least two replies begin with... "I'm not into BDSM, but".

Not to be rude, but if you're not into BDSM, why are you here? This is the BDSM Cafe. I'm straight, so I'm not going to go chill in the GLBT forums. Why should it be any different for here?

 

[catalina_francisco]

The most amusing thing to me is, despite the outcome, I'm the only one who has apologized for anything.

LOL, guess you know my answer to that.

Catalina

 

[Killishandra]

I was trying my best to just casually read on this subject (of Marquis' thread and the controversy that surrounds it, lol) because I feel like I _still_ have the headache from that first night... I have too much going on in the real world, not the least of which is preparing for His visit out here on Sunday, to be stressing myself out by getting involved again in the banter. Oi-yoi-yoi.

But I just wanted to say...

Taint, Catalina, I adore you guys. These are for you ==>

Also, mahalo a nui loa to everyone else who has stuck up for Him. I know He appreciates it, and I do too. Despite my GB rep in their thread as a repulsive "doormat", I do have my own opinions. Anyway... Thank you.

!!

 

[Kajira Callista]

mahalo a nui loa

for the life of me i dont know why that just reads so damned hot

 

[drown]

so.
now
it denegrates
into
hurled invective
and
chest thumping.

that this thread
rippled into
cyber'nilla land...
undeniable.

into
uber-mod land...
undeniable.

provoked
intense
community
discussion...
undeniable.

and...
when the
sounds and furies
clear,
the nothings
we're
left with
are
the individual players,
their posts
and certain actions
deus ex machina.

smile.
here's your lit
snap-shot.

 

[Killishandra]

smile.
here's your lit
snap-shot.

.
.
.

 

[Netzach]

I'm just wondering what the future of ampics and pics in general is going to be when the new 2257 comes down on June 23. Has anyone else given this some thought/reading?

It's going to make "proof" of any kind now look like a cakewalk. I have some sites I am taking down for a bit.

 

[catalina_francisco]

I was trying my best to just casually read on this subject (of Marquis' thread and the controversy that surrounds it, lol) because I feel like I _still_ have the headache from that first night... I have too much going on in the real world, not the least of which is preparing for His visit out here on Sunday, to be stressing myself out by getting involved again in the banter. Oi-yoi-yoi.

But I just wanted to say...

Taint, Catalina, I adore you guys. These are for you ==>

Also, mahalo a nui loa to everyone else who has stuck up for Him. I know He appreciates it, and I do too. Despite my GB rep in their thread as a repulsive "doormat", I do have my own opinions. Anyway... Thank you.

!!

Hope you have lots of fun come Sunday, enough to make this fade away like a bad memory and better still, a seriously bad comedy. And as to having your own opinions, that is one of the best features of the many I am beginning to appreciate your possessing.

Catalina

 

[Killishandra]

. . .as to having your own opinions, that is one of the best features of the many I am beginning to appreciate your possessing.

Catalina

I had no problem with the humiliation thread, and I told the GB'ers so right before they turned their pitchforks in my direction.

I do hate it when He pulls the teeth of live kittens to make necklaces for Satan...

Just my opinion.




LOL

 

[Marquis]

I'm just wondering what the future of ampics and pics in general is going to be when the new 2257 comes down on June 23. Has anyone else given this some thought/reading?

It's going to make "proof" of any kind now look like a cakewalk. I have some sites I am taking down for a bit.

What's this?

 

[curiousjen]

I didn't read the original thread, and I'm only just catching up with what actually happened here (and to be honest it all seems a bit over the top) but it seems to me that whats happened is a simple case of jealousy. I've seen it happen time and time again that people don't like people to be successful. They get jealous. Think of all the wonderful things that have happened to Marquis, being made a mod, getting a scholarship to law school, not to mention starting the beginnings of successful poly relationship with two intelligent and beautiful women and it was just a matter of time before people wanted to drag him down. I'm sure some people had very valid objections to the post, but (from what i can gather) it was the ferocity of the frenzied attack that was so depressing. I wondered if this would happen, as it tends to do to people who aren't ashamed to hide their sucess as Marquis is. But i guess i had too much of an idealistic view of lit to think it wouldn't happen here.

You live and learn.

Marquis: Sorry I wasn't around to lend my support when it was all going on. You are a good mod, and i hope this can be put behind you asap.