Pussy Galore

[amicus]

You guys are priceless.

Mckenna, nice to see you again; Luc bite me...open wide...


For quite a few years now, in films and cartoons, anime' and otherwise, I have noticed a shift towards the female hero in most all things.

Since I occasionaly watch children, who watch cartoons, I make a small study of them and note the content both overt and covert.

Make whatever assumptions you choose about my 'personal' feelings, thoughts and opinions, which I seldom express, and pay a little more attention to the inherent 'question' in what I post. It would save us both some turmoil.

Most children 'act out' the characters they see in films, nothing new, children have been doing that since Superman was only a comic book hero.

These 'role models' to children used to have a rather common theme that depicted honorable and idealistic actions.

Poor old Dan Quayle is still burdened with the Murphy Brown content that it was 'all right' to be a single unwed mother; that men and husbands were un necessary.

So here we are, a generation later, with half of all children left without a clue as to who their biological father was.

Perhaps that is a good thing?

And now I am off to watch the World Cup of Women's Softball Championship game on ESPN2 at 8pm ET and hope that 6'1" Jenny Finch is pitching for the USA.

USA! USA! USA!


chuckles...


amicus...

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

You guys are priceless.

Mckenna, nice to see you again; Luc bite me...open wide...


For quite a few years now, in films and cartoons, anime' and otherwise, I have noticed a shift towards the female hero in most all things.

Since I occasionaly watch children, who watch cartoons, I make a small study of them and note the content both overt and covert.

Make whatever assumptions you choose about my 'personal' feelings, thoughts and opinions, which I seldom express, and pay a little more attention to the inherent 'question' in what I post. It would save us both some turmoil.

Most children 'act out' the characters they see in films, nothing new, children have been doing that since Superman was only a comic book hero.

These 'role models' to children used to have a rather common theme that depicted honorable and idealistic actions.

Poor old Dan Quayle is still burdened with the Murphy Brown content that it was 'all right' to be a single unwed mother; that men and husbands were un necessary.

So here we are, a generation later, with half of all children left without a clue as to who their biological father was.

Perhaps that is a good thing?

And now I am off to watch the World Cup of Women's Softball Championship game on ESPN2 at 8pm ET and hope that 6'1" Jenny Finch is pitching for the USA.

USA! USA! USA!


chuckles...


amicus...

You are so pathetic that it's cute. You don't like female heroines. You blame women and liberals for the fact that men LIKE YOUR OWN GODDAMNED SELF like to fuck women without a condom and then haul the fuck away when it comes time to raise it, but since you like to jack off to a softball pitcher you aren't a misogynist? Give me a break and buy a fucking rope. Women are people too now and you'll have to get used to it.

It's called capitalism, the free market. If people want to see heroines, if people want strong women who have self-respect and make a difference. If people want Wonder Woman saving the day, then that's what you'll see. It's just that simple. Women are people too now. Same with the blacks and the native americans and the asians and the gays. I know it must hurt you're superiority complex, cupcake, but so what? DEAL! Jesus, women must have the patience of goddesses to deal with our masuline superiority complex bullshit without pulling out a switchblade and going on a Bobbit spree.

 

[raphy]

I'd have to disagree. A female kickboxing or boxing champion may be able to beat a smalll old fat guy off the street but even a mediocre male fighter would clean her clock. If you don't believe it, check out the fighting record of Lucia Rijker. She may be the best female fighter who ever lived. She was a kick boxing champion in europe and she's never lost as a boxer (She was the villian in Million Dollar Baby). The one time she ever lost a fight was to a male kick boxer who was her size. He wasn't even any good as a male fighter and she was a champion who had never lost a fight. The result: She got knocked the fuck out.

I love women characters in movies. I like the chickiest of flicks like Closer, Vanity Fair, Lovely and Amazing etc. However, I tire of seeing action movies where some 105lb stick-figure of a girl mops the floor with Goldberg from the old WWF. It's just silly.

I'll admit that I don't know of the lady you're talking about, but I do know of more than one female martial artist who are as tough as they come. I'm not talking abuot beating up little old fat guys on the street, I'm talking about women who've routinely cleaned the floor with people like bouncers, professional security guards and the like.

A few things to note, however (aren't there always codicils? hehe)

1) Tournament titles tend to lose their meaning in a streetfight. Tournaments (unless they are full contact) are about scoring points, not permanently damaging or disabling your opponent. Why do you think arts like ninjitsu don't have tournaments? Because it's difficult to demonstrate your knowledge of an art like that without breaking someone's arm. For example - In tournaments, it's generally illegal to kick your opponent between the legs. You try standing up after a female soccer player has just used your balls as, well, the ball. Those girls kick like mules - They're supposed to - And you may never have kids again if that happens to you. Permanent testicular damage. Won't happen in a tournament, however.

2) I'm in no way saying that on an absolute scale, women can be as tough as a man. Call me a misogynist, but it just ain't so. That's why you won't see a woman in the UFC, because those boys are big and tough, and a woman can't compete in that arena. however, even in the UFC, you're not supposed to permanently damage your opponent. A lot of the techniques available to a fighter are disallowed. For example, thumb-gouging the eyes. You're not supposed to leave your UFC opponent permanently blind. However, in the real world, that's a technique that is as available to a woman as to a man, as it requires very little strength, merely speed and accuracy.

3) The women I'm talking about have exceptional ability, the ability to take damage and dish it out. I have a friend, a horse wrangler. I've seen her have two ribs break from a horse's kick, bounce back up and still whip the horse into shape. I've also seen her break a man's jaw in a bar fight. She's 5'8", probably weighs around 150lbs, the same as me. He was something over 6 feet tall, and probably outweighed her by at least 50. This is not news to me, because I have done the same thing.

The only point of my original post was that there *are* some women who can and do kick ass like that, not to try and prove the physical superiority of women over men. I don't believe in that, and I wasn't trying to argue that point.

Trust me, my friend, this isn't a 'my fighter is better than your fighter' pissing contest, and nor do i want it to turn into one.

 

[Guest]

I'll admit that I don't know of the lady you're talking about, but I do know of more than one female martial artist who are as tough as they come. I'm not talking abuot beating up little old fat guys on the street, I'm talking about women who've routinely cleaned the floor with people like bouncers, professional security guards and the like.

A few things to note, however (aren't there always codicils? hehe)

1) Tournament titles tend to lose their meaning in a streetfight. Tournaments (unless they are full contact) are about scoring points, not permanently damaging or disabling your opponent. Why do you think arts like ninjitsu don't have tournaments? Because it's difficult to demonstrate your knowledge of an art like that without breaking someone's arm. For example - In tournaments, it's generally illegal to kick your opponent between the legs. You try standing up after a female soccer player has just used your balls as, well, the ball. Those girls kick like mules - They're supposed to - And you may never have kids again if that happens to you. Permanent testicular damage. Won't happen in a tournament, however.

2) I'm in no way saying that on an absolute scale, women can be as tough as a man. Call me a misogynist, but it just ain't so. That's why you won't see a woman in the UFC, because those boys are big and tough, and a woman can't compete in that arena. however, even in the UFC, you're not supposed to permanently damage your opponent. A lot of the techniques available to a fighter are disallowed. For example, thumb-gouging the eyes. You're not supposed to leave your UFC opponent permanently blind. However, in the real world, that's a technique that is as available to a woman as to a man, as it requires very little strength, merely speed and accuracy.

3) The women I'm talking about have exceptional ability, the ability to take damage and dish it out. I have a friend, a horse wrangler. I've seen her have two ribs break from a horse's kick, bounce back up and still whip the horse into shape. I've also seen her break a man's jaw in a bar fight. She's 5'8", probably weighs around 150lbs, the same as me. He was something over 6 feet tall, and probably outweighed her by at least 50. This is not news to me, because I have done the same thing.

The only point of my original post was that there *are* some women who can and do kick ass like that, not to try and prove the physical superiority of women over men. I don't believe in that, and I wasn't trying to argue that point.

Trust me, my friend, this isn't a 'my fighter is better than your fighter' pissing contest, and nor do i want it to turn into one.

Women in martial arts tournaments must use ability, stealth, intelligence and sometimes downright sneakiness in order to overcome the strength deficit.

Females just can't duke it out toe-to-toe, especially when they are pitted against a larger opponent.

When we spar in class I have to get inside the longer reach of the guys, use more pressure point striking, try harder to outwit them.

It adds to the challenge, it adds to the difficulty, but it is possible.

 

[raphy]

Maybe one of the reasons why I do have an appreciation for the skill of a female is because on average, they are smaller and weigh less than their male opponents. Why does this give me an appreciation? Because like a typical oriental, I am smaller and weigh less than most of my opponents.

I can't duke it out toe-to-toe with a 6 and a half foot 300 lb boxer, either. But then, I'd be stupid to try.

I have not yet met an opponent who is faster, stronger *and* sneakier than I. It's pretty much always one or the other. (No, that doesn't mean I win all my fights, just stating a fact)

 

[amicus]

Well, damn, Japan 3, USA 1, final score...World Cup Softball championship, but it was a pretty good game. The USA had won 82 consecutive international games before losing to Canada in the opening game of the world cup and then to Japan in the finals.

All in preparation for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Now what was this thread concerning? Uma Thurman being superwoman and an anime ninja woman fighter with a Japanese sword?

I forgets....


amicus...




amicus...

 

[Guest]

Well, damn, Japan 3, USA 1, final score...World Cup Softball championship, but it was a pretty good game. The USA had won 82 consecutive international games before losing to Canada in the opening game of the world cup and then to Japan in the finals.

All in preparation for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Now what was this thread concerning? Uma Thurman being superwoman and an anime ninja woman fighter with a Japanese sword?

I forgets....

amicus...

amicus...

Ami - you know you want me.

 

[amicus]

imagine the Amicus crooning, """hummm....all my ex's live in texas, thas why I live in Tennessee...."

I have always had a thing for left wing liberal pussies, they are so easy to confuse when I go down....the road of logical reality to the heart of the matter of feminity.

ahem...

didja like it?

 

[Guest]

imagine the Amicus crooning, """hummm....all my ex's live in texas, thas why I live in Tennessee...."

I have always had a thing for left wing liberal pussies, they are so easy to confuse when I go down....the road of logical reality to the heart of the matter of feminity.

ahem...

didja like it?

You don't confuse me.

It's difficult to confuse someone if you yourself don't possess all the facts.

 

[raphy]

I duno. Amicus confuses me all the time, but that may be because I live in the real world.

 

[SeaCat]

LOLOL

This thread is kind of funny. It seems you're argueing two different points here. Ami has as usual cinfused the world of make believe, (Kill Bill and anime) with the real world, and has taken offense that women are now becoming heroins. Okay I can see his point, he doesn't like it for personal reasons. No problem, there are a lot of things out there I don't like but I have to concede them or beat myself sensless against the walls of society.

Then we have Hooper. (I have never met you Hooper so here a Hi to you.) He argues that women can't stand up to men in a straight on fight. (I hope I have this right, if not please correct me.) Maybe in a staged fight, like a Tournement with it's imposed rules. In a street fight, root hog or die situation I know several women who would clean clocks on a regular basis. Case in fact, one of the nurses I work with is a little lady about five feet tall. She might weigh one hundred pounds if she were soaked in mud for a week and it all stuck. I have seen her subdue Psych. Patients that would have otherwise have taken several males. She is small, she is fast, and she is tougher than most men I know. (I set two of her fingers once when they were broken, She didn't utter a whimper. Try it sometime.)

Women are our equals while still being different than us males. Just because they happen to have indoor plumbing doesn't make them weaker or subservient to us with external plumbing. Just like the amount of Melanin in ones skin doesn't make them better or worse than others. Wake up, smell the effing Coffee, and realize that while each and every one of us is differrent we all are equals. (We all eat, breath, piss, fart and shit. Oh and we all do the best thing in the world, we fuck our brains out upon occasion.)

Cat

 

[amicus]

Seacat..."...This thread is kind of funny. It seems you're argueing two different points here. Ami has as usual cinfused the world of make believe, (Kill Bill and anime) with the real world, and has taken offense that women are now becoming heroins. Okay I can see his point, he doesn't like it for personal reasons..."

"Personal reasons"

Always the personal attack...just like a woman....

In the world I cruised in for over 40 years, I met and dealt with some of the smartest, most intelligent and talented women that exist. Those you look at on tv and in the movies and read about; I had the pleasure to meet and interact with.

I used Kill Bill and anime as an allegory intending to figuratively display role models in modern society and illustrate a lack of idealism in current entertainment.

over your head, as usual....

If you lay off the personal attacks, I will cease pointing out how lacking you really are.

 

[Dar~]

You are now the official Amicus translator, you know. Boy have you got your work cut out foryou.

Now if we could only get a charley translator, we'd all know what was going on.

 

[Pure]

i agree with erise--hi!--subsequently confirmed by Mr. Confusion himself, that it's something about role models.

i suppose the question can a woman *really* kick ass is in there. while I agree with some posters about small and deadly examples, I agree with the original poster about the female champion kick boxer. i also remember a well known tennis match, of a woman champion.

BUT, that said, the world is not about muscle, in most realms. So I think one must look at women who drive race cars or jet airplanes, (or command troops) where the muscle is provided, and the brains are in charge (e.g. in the driver of the car). women, i think, have a pretty good chance of equalling or prevailing in a human, actual battle of wits, which is more what modern life is about. 'muscle' can be hired. women seem often superior in working in teams and smoothing the frictions.

it might also be said, that 'winning' itself is not always the key, and more women than men have grasped this point.

some of the amicus' confusions have been noted, the ambivalence and lust, etc. "How *could* anyone show--in a glorifying way--to a young girl, the model of Uma Thurman using a sword to kill a mom, almost in front of her kid, not to say, killing the father of her own child!"

Most upsetting to the religious right, indeed, as amicus says. The implication is ami agrees with or understands their upset, which isn't surprising since he can't figure out if he approves of the constitutional amendments banning slavery or giving women the vote.

Then too, I sense one of those 'slippery slopes' coming. "Ya give em the vote, and next they quit doing housework; next they take jobs, and then ask for equal/equitable pay. THEN to top it off, you show a model featuring a husband (Bill) with a reasonable gripe--perhaps a little extreme in expressing his feelings-- and he's offed by his sword-wielding wife!"

The 'liberals' have indeed turned the world topsy turvy.

 

[amicus]

"...it might also be said, that 'winning' itself is not always the key, and more women than men have grasped this point..."

Therein lies the achilles heel of Pure....

Success, efficiency, completion of a chosen task, winning..."is not always the key?"

Tell that to a starving child when the hunter comes back empty handed because he didn't want to 'win' over the buffalo.

Bullshit....

Women, like men, do some things better than others and to compliment each other, should concentrate on what they do best.

simple arithmetic....


amicus...

 

[Hooper_X]

I'll admit that I don't know of the lady you're talking about, but I do know of more than one female martial artist who are as tough as they come. I'm not talking abuot beating up little old fat guys on the street, I'm talking about women who've routinely cleaned the floor with people like bouncers, professional security guards and the like.

I don't have any desire to drag this out any further. Suffices to say that I'm not buying it on evidence including the fact that the best female fighter in the world was so easily laid out cold by a no-name scrub of a male fighter in her weight class.

 

[Hooper_X]

...that said, the world is not about muscle, in most realms. So I think one must look at women who drive race cars or jet airplanes, (or command troops) where the muscle is provided, and the brains are in charge (e.g. in the driver of the car). women, i think, have a pretty good chance of equalling or prevailing in a human, actual battle of wits, which is more what modern life is about. 'muscle' can be hired. women seem often superior in working in teams and smoothing the frictions.

I wholly agree with this. As I said before. I like women protagonists in movies. I'll go further and say that I like strong women protagonists. But, I like them to be strong in a way that is realistic instead of simply being carbon copies of typical male characters.

 

[raphy]

I don't have any desire to drag this out any further. Suffices to say that I'm not buying it on evidence including the fact that the best female fighter in the world was so easily laid out cold by a no-name scrub of a male fighter in her weight class.

*shrug*

Like I said, I have no idea who that lady is you're talking about, and if that happened, then I highly doubt she was as good as people claim her to be. You can go on believing that women are weak and inferior physically if you wish. But I know I could introduce you to at least two women who could clean *your* clock.

 

[Hooper_X]

*shrug*

Like I said, I have no idea who that lady is you're talking about, and if that happened, then I highly doubt she was as good as people claim her to be. You can go on believing that women are weak and inferior physically if you wish. But I know I could introduce you to at least two women who could clean *your* clock.

If you don't know who Lucia Rijker is, you don't know much about women's kick boxing or boxing. And you know even less about me, so your claims are ridiculous.

 

[Guest]

If you don't know who Lucia Rijker is, you don't know much about women's kick boxing or boxing. And you know even less about me, so your claims are ridiculous.

Men have had a long history with being the larger-than-life hero. Save the Alamo, rescue the damsel, that kind of stereotypical nonsense.

The hero could always take a punch, get a chair crashed over his head, even take a bullet, and still get up fighting. And wise-cracking.

He could drive anything, fly anything and shoot any weapon ever designed.

He was an impeccable dresser, knew every dance; gorgeous and well-built, he was quite charming in order to woo the damsel.

And of course, he was well-skilled in the bedroom. He always left all the ladies in a perpetual swoon.

So - men have had their chance to be hero.

Why does it bother you that today, and in just a few movies really, women finally have the chance to do the same?



(And the fact you are bringing up a 10-year-old exhibition match in order to prove male superiority is a bit silly. You know that male/female fights are rare as human anatomy has seen that the male has more upper body muscle mass than the female. And said female kick-boxer is approaching forty.)

 

[raphy]

If you don't know who Lucia Rijker is, you don't know much about women's kick boxing or boxing. And you know even less about me, so your claims are ridiculous.

I do however note that you completely ignored my examples of how real fighting differs from tournament fighting - And no, I don't follow professional contact sports. They have little or no bearing on real life fights. Especially boxing.

Like I said, if you're prepared to judge all women on the performance of a single female tournament fighter fighting in a sport that bears little resemblance to a real world fight, then that's your loss, buddy.

 

[raphy]

Oh, one more thing - In movies like Kill Bill, the heroine is often seen wielding a weapon such as a sword.

As any fencer will tell you, being a man doesn't have any real advantages when you're using 35 or 40 inches of sharpened steel. I've never fenced, so I can't say for sure, but I'd imagine the single advantage a male fencer would have over a female one would be the extended reach.

A real advantage, to be sure, but I'm pretty sure not all the top fencers have long arms, whether male or female.

 

[Hooper_X]

Why does it bother you that today, and in just a few movies really, women finally have the chance to do the same?

It doesn't bother me at all. I just find it unrealistic and tedious. As I stated before, I love women's movies. I just don't want to see carbon copies of pea-brained testosterone laden action movies. I similarly don't like movies where wee little male actors are cast as all-conquering bad-asses. If one is going to portray a woman going toe to toe with a man, then they should cast a large Deisel Dykey looking woman so that it would at least appear plausible. I still wouldn't want to see it because action movies aren't my cuppa. I'd rather spend my money that time seeing women in movies like "Me and You and Everyone We Know," "Heights," or "Happy Endings." (all three of which I plan to see this week.)

And the fact you are bringing up a 10-year-old exhibition match in order to prove male superiority is a bit silly. You know that male/female fights are rare as human anatomy has seen that the male has more upper body muscle mass than the female. And said female kick-boxer is approaching forty.)

I can't fathom your point here. My post had nothing to do with "male superiority." I was simply disputing the ridculous claim that a woman can physically take on an able bodied man in hand to hand unarmed combat. There are many arenas where women are the equals or betters of men. Duking it out isn't one of them. The fact that the match took place 10 years ago is immaterial. As is the fact that, surprise surprise, Lucia Rijker has aged since then. When that match took place she was at the height of her career as a professional kick boxer. She had won four titles, and her record in the ring was 36-0 with 25 knock outs. She was, and probably still is, the best female boxer or kick boxer who ever walked the planet. It was an exhibition match because no one will sanction a match between a man and a woman. So, I don't see what is silly about using her by way of example since she's the best there has ever been. If a woman was going to beat a man, it probably would have been her.

 

[Hooper_X]

I do however note that you completely ignored my examples of how real fighting differs from tournament fighting

The disparity would be even more pronounced in a real fight where a man could use his strength and weight to greater advantage. For instance, If I was to get in a ring with a 160lb male professional boxer, I probably wouldn't be able to lay a glove on him. In a street fight I'm thinking I could throw him on top of a garage. LOL

 

[raphy]

Maybe, although boxing is not a great example, because it *is* very much about power and weight, like wrestling. I feel the same way as you - if i was to get into a boxing match with a professional boxer, I probably wouldn't be able to lay a glove on him.

In a street fight, I'm allowed to take that boxer and break his knees, kick him between the legs, throat-strike his adams apple, jam my thumbs into his eyes and any other number of other things that they won't let me do in the ring.

None of which have anything to do with my strength and weight.