Pussy Galore

[Hooper_X]

As any fencer will tell you, being a man doesn't have any real advantages ...

This may be true in regards to european fencing with foils where the aim is to merely score a point. I don't know. I do know that fencing is separated into male and female divisions. It would seem unnecessary if what you say is true. This has little to do with the kind of fighting depicted in "Kill Bill." Even Kendo is a far cry from a real sword fight where a much stronger person could simply swing through your parries even if you were their equal in speed and skill.

 

[Hooper_X]

In a street fight, I'm allowed to take that boxer and break his knees, kick him between the legs, throat-strike his adams apple, jam my thumbs into his eyes and any other number of other things that they won't let me do in the ring.

None of which have anything to do with my strength and weight.

And if your opponent was a practice dummy, this would work. To paraphrase Bruce Lee, dummies don't hit back. In a real fight no one is going to just stand there. Even in ultimate fighting size and weight come into play. There has only been one really good ultimate fighter who wasn't a monster, Royce Gracie. And at 6' tall and around 180lb he wasn't small.

 

[Guest]

You said -

I'd have to disagree. A female kickboxing or boxing champion may be able to beat a smalll old fat guy off the street but even a mediocre male fighter would clean her clock. If you don't believe it, check out the fighting record of Lucia Rijker. She may be the best female fighter who ever lived. She was a kick boxing champion in europe and she's never lost as a boxer (She was the villian in Million Dollar Baby). The one time she ever lost a fight was to a male kick boxer who was her size. He wasn't even any good as a male fighter and she was a champion who had never lost a fight. The result: She got knocked the fuck out.

And how is that not touting male superiority?

I love women characters in movies. I like the chickiest of flicks like Closer, Vanity Fair, Lovely and Amazing etc. However, I tire of seeing action movies where some 105lb stick-figure of a girl mops the floor with Goldberg from the old WWF. It's just silly.

The chickiest of flicks?

It doesn't bother me at all. I just find it unrealistic and tedious. As I stated before, I love women's movies. I just don't want to see carbon copies of pea-brained testosterone laden action movies. I similarly don't like movies where wee little male actors are cast as all-conquering bad-asses. If one is going to portray a woman going toe to toe with a man, then they should cast a large Deisel Dykey looking woman so that it would at least appear plausible.

Most women couldn't duke it out toe-to-toe with an equal-sized male because of that whole anatomy thing, the muscle differentiation and such. Which has been already discussed on this thread.

Your whole post seemed, at least to me, to be, "See? See? There's this excellent kick-boxer, world champion, and she got her ass kicked by a man! Therefore, no women should be allowed to be in action movies because it's just not realistic!"

So when is a movie realistic? My whole point was, I think it's about time for the ladies. Unrealistic male action heroes have been around forever; it's ok if women get some equal kick-ass time.

 

[raphy]

Aye, Fencing is separated into male and female divisions, but isn't every sport *grins and shrugs* .. Even Ping Pong (is it?), heh.

*shrugs*

Hoop, until you see it happen, you're never going to admit it. I can accept that. You're in the unenviable position of trying to prove an opinion about a group of people whereby your only data is the data you yourselve have experienced.

I've been trying to tell you what I, with my own two eyes, have seen from female fighters pitted against a varity of opponents of various size and skill. You have chosen to disbelieve that. I can offer no further argument. Maybe, were our positions reversed, and I had not seen what I have seen, I would be arguing the same point that you are right now.

Seeing is believing, as they say.

 

[raphy]

And if your opponent was a practice dummy, this would work. To paraphrase Bruce Lee, dummies don't hit back. In a real fight no one is going to just stand there. Even in ultimate fighting size and weight come into play. There has only been one really good ultimate fighter who wasn't a monster, Royce Gracie. And at 6' tall and around 180lb he wasn't small.

You can't hit back if my thumbs have pulled your eyeballs out.

Trust me, it works on the street, too.

No, I have never torn anyone's eyes out. I have never had to go that far. I have however hospitalized someone by crushing his larynx.

p.s. I already said how size and weight matters a lot in the UFC. But even in the UFC you're not allowed to rip your opponents eyeballs out.

 

[Hooper_X]

You said -



And how is that not touting male superiority?



The chickiest of flicks?



Most women couldn't duke it out toe-to-toe with an equal-sized male because of that whole anatomy thing, the muscle differentiation and such. Which has been already discussed on this thread.

Your whole post seemed, at least to me, to be, "See? See? There's this excellent kick-boxer, world champion, and she got her ass kicked by a man! Therefore, no women should be allowed to be in action movies because it's just not realistic!"

So when is a movie realistic? My whole point was, I think it's about time for the ladies. Unrealistic male action heroes have been around forever; it's ok if women get some equal kick-ass time.

The fact that a man could likely kick the ass of any woman he's ever going to meet doesn't make him superior to her. That's another reason I don't like these kinds of movies. I don't think men and boys should be receiving the message that it is acceptable to physically fight with a girl/woman.

I didn't say that women shouldn't be allowed in action movies. I said that it is stupid to have a tiny little 100lb girlish woman fighting a 250lb monster of a man. It just looks stupid. If you like that sort of thing, then by all means vote for those kinds of movies with your dollars. I can't sit through something like that.

What's wrong with saying "the chickest of flicks" (I really meant to say the chickiest of chick flicks)? Those are the kinds of movies that I like. Chick flicks (I'm talking "The Hours" not a stupid romantic comedy) are generally more substantial than movies aimed at a male audience. They are most often dialog and character driven, and I dig that.

I don't agree with the argument that since men have starred in brainless comic-bookish action flicks for years that women should stink to the same level. And this is the crux of my initial point, when Hollywood does make those kinds of movies it isn't about empowering women. It's about getting some little hottie to wiggle her ass and wave a sword around for the titillation of a predominantly male audience.

 

[raphy]

I didn't say that women shouldn't be allowed in action movies. I said that it is stupid to have a tiny little 100lb girlish woman fighting a 250lb monster of a man. It just looks stupid. If you like that sort of thing, then by all means vote for those kinds of movies with your dollars. I can't sit through something like that.

p.s.

I never said this before, cuz i keep forgetting - but I actually agree with that.

But that's a size issue, not a gender issue. I would have trouble watching a 120lb boyish man kick the hell out of a 300lb guy, too.

I'm a little under average height and weight, and while I have taken down men far outside my weight range, I know where my limits are.

 

[Guest]

The fact that a man could likely kick the ass of any woman he's ever going to meet doesn't make him superior to her. That's another reason I don't like these kinds of movies. I don't think men and boys should be receiving the message that it is acceptable to physically fight with a girl/woman.

I didn't say that women shouldn't be allowed in action movies. I said that it is stupid to have a tiny little 100lb girlish woman fighting a 250lb monster of a man. It just looks stupid. If you like that sort of thing, then by all means vote for those kinds of movies with your dollars. I can't sit through something like that.

What's wrong with saying "the chickest of flicks" (I really meant to say the chickiest of chick flicks)? Those are the kinds of movies that I like. Chick flicks (I'm talking "The Hours" not a stupid romantic comedy) are generally more substantial than movies aimed at a male audience. They are most often dialog and character driven, and I dig that.

I don't agree with the argument that since men have starred in brainless comic-bookish action flicks for years that women should stink to the same level. And this is the crux of my initial point, when Hollywood does make those kinds of movies it isn't about empowering women. It's about getting some little hottie to wiggle her ass and wave a sword around for the titillation of a predominantly male audience.

It sounds as if we do agree on quite a few things, actually.

I took your earlier comments about physical inferiority as demeaning; seems as if that's not really the case.

I like a wide variety of movies, myself. Sometimes a mindless ass-kicking movie can be enjoyable, if only to MST3K the thing with a few drinks.

But as for not allowing women their brainless action flick time? I think that viewpoint is wrong because it's a necessary phase in female empowerment. Hollywood will go through it, and it will be done. And then on to the next thing.

And as for getting some little hottie to wiggle her ass? My AV and your signature pictures aside, we probably shouldn't be making disparaging comments about that.

 

[Liar]

A bar that I frequently visit is owned and run by a 55 years old, 5"2 stick figure of a woman from Taiwan. She or her 19 y.o equally tiny daughter minds the bar. They are not masters of any martial art, only rudimentary trained, like every otheramateur is today. I am physically stronger than both of them put together. But when it really comes down to it, either of them can easily kick out troublemakers that I wouldn't even dare to ask to leave.

Dunno how they do it, but them being of the "weaker sex" seems to mean diddley squat.

 

[BlackSnake]

Blacksnake...Congratulations! and thank you...most likely not gonna make another million off the books...but then I am not JK Rowling.

Not that it matters, and I apologize for not visiting the barnburner site for ages, but if you could delete my work from that site, I would appreciate it. Just no time to follow up and keep it active.

Thank you! amicus...

I got all the your stories removed from the site.

 

[amicus]

Blacksnake....thank you!


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