Race Grievance Industry Will Protest All White Oscar Nominees

[Sean Renaud]

You said the NBA was dominated by blacks entirely because of skill. You then said that Hollywood was white dominated based on political power. You didn't mention skill...you did that for a reason, to imply that white folks weren't skillful in the sense that blacks were in the NBA. Admit it.

The difference between me and you is, when I was in Little League and others thereafter, you had to be good to make the team, only nine players made it, the rest were told by the coach to go home and come back next year. You didn't get trophies unless you were winners. Parents and soccer moms hadn't ruined it, and didn't have shit to say about what happened. if you didn't like what was going on, you pulled your kid out. There were no lawyers to jump in if your kid was shamed or didn't make the team. There were real winners and losers in Little League like there are in real life. The message of yesteryear, do better in order to succeed. The message of today, wait until my mommy hears about this and sues you for discrimination, all kids are entitled to play and skill isn't the only factor in Little League.

Fair enough, I did say that. But that doesn't mean that whites aren't skilled in Hollywood. Not at all. It means they manage to use potlical power to hold people of color out. What you're claiming is that blacks aren't skilled.

While I know for a fact that the stories you're telling are equal parts BS and nostalgia that's fine. You guys cranked out a bitter group of people determined to screw everything up. When I played you had to be good to make the team, more than 9 made it I think it was thirteen (seriously you guys had no alternates? I think you just had slim pickings)

LOL. The true lesson of your day was mediocrity can make it and today it's, there are to damn many people and you're just not gonna win. Sorry that you had it so easy compared to me. I'd talk to you about fairness but you think that's a dirty word, mostly because of the easy world you grew up in. I envy you to be honest.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

more of the crap ....


I'm not good enough on my own and need special treatment



as the man is trying to hold me down

 

[CandiCame]

I did not say that I think there is no white skill in Hollywood. I will not admit that I believe Oscars should be awarded on basis of race because I believe that, I don't believe anybody is entitled to a certain number of oscars. I don't really care that all kids get a trophy. That's just Republican bullshit. I was there in Little LEague when all kids got a trophy. Mine is about three inches tall and made of plastic. Third place is a foot tall and metal, second is a foot and a half tall and first place is like two goddamn feet. Believe me we know who fucking won. The rest of us just got to have some plastic to put up on the mantle instead of a t-shirt we'd wear out.

I think it's obvious that if you get nominated for Best Picture you must have had the best in SOMETHING or was Selma playing Moneyball? Somehow via statistics they manage to get a team that has nobody of any real talent on it but when you add up all the no talent it somehow manages to beat super stars?

There have been sociology studies that actually say that we know better who won. Because if you don't get anything, you don't have a tangible physical reminder of your failure. You tend to remember "I played baseball". But if you have the participation trophy or ribbon and your parents put it up, you have a constant, physical reminder there on the shelf that you have to look at. So instead of the memory lodging in your brain as "I played baseball"; it manifests as "I lost at baseball. I suck." It's more detrimental to get a participation award than to get nothing at all.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

That is a fabrication. I never said that. I said that some blacks feel they are entitled to awards based on their skin color regardless of merit.

Show me how whites use politics to hold blcck people out of Hollywood.

Just look at the awards, look at the average number of black shows (that aren't on BET) and that's just blacks don't get started on Asians, Hispanics or Native Americans all of whom get slammed even harder. You pretty much have to be blind not to see it.

Now whether it's a conscious "holding them out" sort of thing or just white people, write white characters, and hire white people to play them sort of thing is unknowable but the end result is the same.

We had good athletes and no crybabies. It was kind of slim pickings, as most of us had homework and chores as children. I had a paper route and a grass cutting routine that took up a lot of my time, but I made several teams.

Oh right, I forgot, slave labor was still a thing in your day.

You'd have never made it in my day kid, you had to be tough to live out West in those days. Nobody had it easy in my day.

Dude, I would have CRUSHED it in your day. What was your schools total population? 500? 600? 800? My graduation class was 1200. And I was top 10% in your day with less than a quarter of the competition I would have been the top of my class.

It's not my fault you lived in a world that was smaller and easier to get by simply because of lack of competetion. Like I said I wish i could be you. You guys had it GREAT.

I also wish I lived in an era with powerful unions protecting my intrests, and when the rich were taxed to fund my education and a public sector that wasn't just crushed under mountains of work. I got the good technology, you go tthe good life.

 

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[Boxlicker101]

Just look at the awards, look at the average number of black shows (that aren't on BET) and that's just blacks don't get started on Asians, Hispanics or Native Americans all of whom get slammed even harder. You pretty much have to be blind not to see it.

What do you mean "Black show?" I don't know of any current show that is all black and I don't know of any that is all white, unless it is set in an area and a time that was all white, such as Robin Hood.

What do you think would be said if somebody were to come up with a show called "White Entertainment TV" and feature only white people?

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[Paendragon]

I would argue that the Civil Rights protests both polarized and changed things and so have many other protests. And how long precisely are you as a victim supposed to simply ignore an issue?

Lets say the similar scenario Query. There are a couple of good performances, since none of us know anybody on the official nomination crew lets say the general public agrees that Denzel, Jamie Foxx and Morgan Freeman all put out excellent performances and again NONE get the nod. Since this award is (within the industry) a measure of your talent how long does it make sense to know that people think you deserve something that you aren't getting. I'm sure there is a certain amount of lost revenue that goes with that. It's not as if movies don't advertise " Starring three time golden globe nominated, two time winner blah blah blah." So in addition to a loss of praise you're quite possibly losing money.

It's easy to say you shouldn't protest when you're winning. Again, fuck the awards. I think there are MUCH bigger issues with Hollywood.

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Like that. There is ZERO excuse there and we're not allowed to call M.Night a racist because somehow him being of Indian decent excuses him making the brown good guys into white good guys and the white bad guy into a brown bad guy. FUCK HIM. Racist prick.



Yes Bond has always been assumed to be the same person, as of Skyfall it's completely cannon. The Bonds are some sort of low level nobles. The kind far enough up the food chain to have a castle, and far enough down that people don't automatically put two and two together when they see his face.

I always thought Zuko was Asian. Must have been the because of the actors that played him and Iroh in the cartoon.

 

[Sean Renaud]

You got the fucked up brain as well. You skated around my request to show me how whites held back blacks with political power in Hollywood. Admit you were talking out of your ass as usual.

No i didn't. I flat out told you. They hire their own. Whether it's intentional or accidental makes no difference. You don't like my answer, that doesn't make it not an answer.

 

[Sean Renaud]

What do you mean "Black show?" I don't know of any current show that is all black and I don't know of any that is all white, unless it is set in an area and a time that was all white, such as Robin Hood.

What do you think would be said if somebody were to come up with a show called "White Entertainment TV" and feature only white people?

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Of course you know of a show that is if not ALL white damn near all white or you simply don't watch television. As for Robin Hood they almost always manage to cram a Moor in there just for that reason.

And that would be racist, blacks are not whites Box and cannot be held the same standards. Sorry it's not fair but that's life.

I always thought Zuko was Asian. Must have been the because of the actors that played him and Iroh in the cartoon.

Everybody on the show is some kind of "Asian." The assumed break down is that Katara and Sokka are Innuit/Eskimo, the Earth Kingdom (Toph, who isn't pictured there) is Chinese and Zuko and the Fire Nation are Japanese Imperialists. There are of course plenty of artistic licensing taken and some other sub tribes floating around that have little solid to compare them too. The Sand Benders may or may not have been Mongolian, the Vine Benders. . .were Rednecks. Etc, etc.

 

[Disgustipated]

Show me how whites use politics to hold blcck people out of Hollywood.

You got the fucked up brain as well. You skated around my request to show me how whites held back blacks with political power in Hollywood. Admit you were talking out of your ass as usual.

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[IrezumiKiss]

What do you think would be said if somebody were to come up with a show called "White Entertainment TV" and feature only white people?

It already exists. It's called the network television industry.

Shut up and enjoy your Friends, Seinfeld and Sex And The City reruns where a 95% or higher automatic white representation in shows based in highly multicultural cities is considered a de facto standard, always perfectly normal from jump street and never, ever complained about by whites who are clearly comfortable with the balance in their favor.

You don't like my answer, that doesn't make it not an answer.

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[Sean Renaud]

Exactly. Lets put this this way. The Avengers has one person of "color" and he's only colored when he's angry.

 

[CandiCame]

The superhero thing... even if you're going to be a superhero of color, 90% of the time you're going to be super white passing. Like if you're not specifically told that the Graysons are Romani, you're not gonna know. When DISNEY has better representation than you, you're doing something wrong. It just aggravates me. Ezmerelda is just as hot as Dick and you can look at her and know that she's not white. But Dick's counting himself lucky that they stopped calling him a fucking gypsy.

And the Avengers isn't exactly monochromatic. Black Panther was one of the founding members. Scarlett Witch is Romani, Falcon is black, Moondragon is... something. She's got that Dwayne Johnson thing going on where I don't really know what race she is.

My point is; there were tons of POC members of the Avengers and the casting/writers decided not to use any of them. Not even the ones who founded the Avengers. Fans pointed this out, and the only member the production commented on was Spiderman, who was not included in the Avengers line-up because the Spiderman movie universe was in flux at the time.

It's a fucking cockfight too, the Avenger's films. We could have had mantis. There coulda been green boobs. Hollywood denied us green boobs because there's some weird Hollywood rule that you can only have one girl on the team. But we get the incest twins, maybe? Yeah, no POC or women folk in the first few movies but hint that we're gonna get the siblings who might be fucking each other.

Sorry, that was a nerd rant but goddamn the Avengers was cast/written poorly. Performed well. The actors were great once they got on screen. But goddamn everything behind the scenes was a clusterfuck.

 

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[Sean Renaud]

There is a network called Black Entertainment Television where all black shows do exist.

Tell me where the all black shows exist in the mainstream, not movies which can basically be handed to is it ten directors? Do I need to stop claiming I can count them on both hands?

 

[CandiCame]

There is a network called Black Entertainment Television where all black shows do exist.

...do you just not have cognitive dissonance?

In the real world, people interact. There is a reason that people think it's weird that a show set in, say, New York, like, idk, Seinfield, would have an all white cast. That doesn't happen in the really real world. You don't have a multiethnic cityscape and then have four white people interact exclusively with other white people. It doesn't happen. You don't have a show set in California (looking at you, BBT) where the main characters (mostly white, with the exception of Raj) don't interact with any Hispanic folk. There's suspension of disbelief and then there's fucking insanity. If you're going to have a monochromatic cast, at least make it make some sort of sense.

Set it in... Idk, where do white people gather... the midwest? There are more white folk in the midwest, right? Like just set it in Colorodo or something. But don't pretend that there are no people of Color in New York. It's weird. Every show doesn't need to star a cis white guy. It's been done to death.

 

[CandiCame]

Also, it'd be kinda cool to cast people that are the race of the character. That'd be neat. I wonder what Scarface would be like if it had an actual Hispanic person ANYWHERE in it. Natives in particular bitch about this. My brother's already had that "they don't let guys like you on TV" speech. It kills dreams. Hollywood would rather give a white guy a spray tan and slap some feathers on him than cast an actual Native actor. And it's fucked up.

"Sir, we've contacted Adam Beach. He's expressed interest in playing Tonto-"

"Nah just slap some facepaint on Depp, he's already under my desk."

 

[1sickbastard]

There's suspension of disbelief and then there's fucking insanity. If you're going to have a monochromatic cast, at least make it make some sort of sense.
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There's a line in the movie "Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead" (great movie, btw) that explains everything one needs to know about the Entertainment Industry:
"Give the audience what they expect as they are prepared to believe nothing more."

 

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[CandiCame]

There's a line in the movie "Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead" (great movie, btw) that explains everything one needs to know about the Entertainment Industry:
"Give the audience what they expect as they are prepared to believe nothing more."

I love Ros & Gil. You seriously have no idea.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Go here, there's a whole list of them:

http://www.ondvdreleases.com/best-african-american-movies/

Can you pull out the mainstream ones? Cus I saw like three, which isn't even the point.

 

[Disgustipated]

There is a network called Black Entertainment Television where all black shows do exist.

The show "Blackish" is on ABC, ya dummy.

http://abc.go.com/shows/blackish

 

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[Sean Renaud]

No I can't. I have no interest in all black exploitation films. I have BET on my cable service but do not watch it, nor would I watch an WET channel either if it were legal.

Funny you admit that a show that is mostly black must be expotation. Couldn't just be a black family.