Ray Bradbury

Dixon Carter Lee

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When Your Heroes Aren’t Gods.

I went to see some friends in a show last night, a series of short plays written by Ray Bradbury. I’ve always loved Ray Badbury. I’ve got several well-thumbed books of his laying about the house, a few I’ve had since high school. Hell, half the reason I like “Something Wicked This Way Comes” is because of him. I’ve read “The Martian Chronicles” ten times. The man’s lyrical prose and stylized story-telling have been an influence on me. He’s a hero. But I’ve always known he wasn’t a great dramatist. Short story prose doesn’t often lend itself well to the theatre. Still, I knew he’d be there, and I missed really meeting him several times already, so off I went, hoping for a nice evening.

It’s a small theatre, and there were only about 20 of us in the house. Ray came in with a walker, and a few people to help him navigate over to his front row seat (a weird place for the playwright to sit, smack dab in the actor’s viewpoint -- the stage is on the floor, and his walker very nearly became a part of the set). He looked old, and talked loudly (due to some partial deafness, I think) and as he conversed with his friends I heard that he has a book of 400 poems coming out, and another novel (and I also found out that one of his friends there that night was Irv Kirshner, who directed “The Empire Strikes Back”, but he didn’t do anything to disappoint me, so never mind about him).

So the producer intros Ray before the show, and Ray stands up to give a speech. I hate pre-show speeches, because a play should always speak for itself. Still, Ray gets up and sort of half turns around, moving is somewhat difficult for him, and there I am, sitting 18 inches from the man who wrote stories I’ve already started reading to my son. He says, “I’m sure many of you are wondering what I’m doing here...” and proceeds to tell us how great the theatre is, and how terrible and godawful the movies are. He does about a seven minute speech, recounting his life as a writer, his year in Ireland working on the screenplay to “Moby Dick” for John Huston, etc., and the day he realized he was a good playwright, and, again, how terrible all the movies are now, and that’s why he’s back in the theatre.

And I realize, he’s clueless. The day before I’d seen “Black Hawk Down” and rented “Shakespeare in Love”, one film an astonishingly well directed and produced film about the seminal moment in American military hisotry when this country lost the will to fight protracted wars for ambiguos goals, and the other boasting a screenplay more lyrical and prose heavy than anything he’d ever written, and dramatically successful to boot. The movies are not "terrible". The culture is not sick and dying. Of course there are crappy movies now, just as there were crappy movies then, but there’s also great, great work out there.

Ray's been going on about this now for a couple of years, speechifying about how terrible movies are, and how great they used to be.

It reminded me of Steve Allen, whom I met a year before he died, and who was doing the same “I’m doing theatre now because all other culture is Godawful” kind of speech before his own (dreadful) theatre piece. Again, clueless. His big thing was how awful, dumb and terrible TV is, and, you know what? Between “Sopranos”, “West Wing”, “24”, “NYPD Blue”, “Law and Order”, “Sex in the City”, “Monk”, “Mystery!”, and a whole host of other shows, I think we’re in the middle of a Golden Age of Television. Sure we have “Big Brother”, but, hell, the 1950s and 60s had crap too, Steve. Do I have to bring up “My Mother the Car”?

I suppose what I’m getting at is this: it’s sad, very sad, when the culture has passed by one of your cultural heroes while you're sitting 18 inches away. Ray and Steve are/were too old, too uninformed to be honestly critical, and they expend/expended way too much energy bemoaning the dearth of a culture that no longer calls them on the phone.

Ray’s plays last night were terrible. They were based on his short stories, which are great, but as theatre they, er, blew. It didn’t help that the direction was worse (done by a colleague of mine, unfortunately --I’ve never liked his work). And the casting was way off. (Len Lesser, remember him as Uncle Leo on “Seinfeld”, cast as an a Scottish Doctor in 1790s London, wearing britches and a three corner hat (!), pinching snuff and struggling through the worst attempt at an accent since Mickey Rooney played a Japanese photographer in “Breakfast at Tiffany’s”).

Anyway, it was a small house, and I knew nearly everyone involved in the show, and I initally had my heart set on sticking around afterwards and meeting Ray properly and maybe taking him out for a drink and, gee, I don’t know, maybe we’d become best buds and go shoot hoops or something. But, I didn’t. I left early with some pals to go have a drink, and maybe that was silly. I just felt sad about the whole thing.

I’m sure I’ll read “Martian Chronicles” again, and love it, but not any time soon -- and that sucks.
 
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I've said it again and again. I have NO desire to meet my hereos for this exact reason.

It's not that I need to see people as gods. I don't think that Tolkien was actaully a diety, but I'd hate to have met him and found out he was an insane, paranoid little freak. I don't think Harrison Ford is really anything like Han Solo, but I don't think I could look at Star Wars the same way if I found out he screamed like a girl at the sight of a spider.

Being in the position to meet the people you admire isn't always a good thing.
 
Wow, that must have been a real disappointment. I've always admired Ray Bradbury.

It's been a very long time since I've read "The Martian Chronicles". Several of those stories are still stuck in my head. Now your experience here will probably be stuck in there as well, right alongside them.....
 
well it's a good thing i never read long posts, i like bradbury's stories
 
grrrly said:
well it's a good thing i never read long posts, i like bradbury's stories


You have an average of 159 posts per day.

That's freaky part is not the sheer volume of your verbosity, but rather the fact that I've yet to read anything of yours that was remotely interesting, useful or intelligent.
 
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sunstruck said:
PC sighting!!!

How's the deep south? Are you Il Dictator yet?


I am well on my way to becoming dictator of the dirty south. I plan to ask Marxist to co-rule with me or accept some other prominent post.

Today, as a continuing part of my southern education campaign I am watching Glory.

Later today I will raid a grocery store and shoplift all the pig's feet and mustard greens and dispose of them properly.
 
Problem Child said:



You have an average of 159 posts per day.

That's freaky part is not the sheer volume of your verbosity, but rather the fact that I've yet to read anything of yours that was remotely interesting, useful or intelligent.

i tend to shy away from being interesting, useful or intelligent...maybe i'll just stick to being an asshole or is that niche filled by you?
 
Problem Child said:



I am well on my way to becoming dictator of the dirty south. I plan to ask Marxist to co-rule with me or accept some other prominent post.

Today, as a continuing part of my southern education campaign I am watching Glory.

Later today I will raid a grocery store and shoplift all the pig's feet and mustard greens and dispose of them properly.

Finally! Can you stop transport up north? I get creeped out every time I go to the deli counter. I'd kill for a kosher place on Cape.

I'd like to request a post as Ambassador to the Yanks. Or would it be Yank Ambassador to the South? I've read North and South and Gone with the Wind and I know all the lyrics to Showboat.
 
*bratcat* said:


So I guess that rules out the Dillinger/sunstruck/DCL orgy, eh? ;)


I think there is enough to rule that out without throwing anything else into the mix.

Besides, Dixon is not my hero he's my...ummmm...hmmm...well hero doesn't fit. And Dilly, well that's just silly. I spend half my conversations with him giving lectures on his behavior. Hardly hero worship.
 
I'm not familiar with a lot of Bradbury unfortunately.

As for the Golden Age of Television, I would have to agree with you there. I think we have seen a great increase in the subtlety and intelligence in all shows over time, and I hope it's a tradition that continues.
 
Its an interesting story, DCL, and I tend to agree with you.

I also tend to give some slack to folks like Ray, and Steve, and Burroughs when I met him... and others - because of what they have given to our culture and because I know that most people tend to get this way as they get older - every generation has their golden age/nostalgia/things were better then viewpoint.

I'm sorry the plays suck. But Ray still has his place as a master. *smile*
 
sunstruck said:
I've said it again and again. I have NO desire to meet my hereos for this exact reason.

It's not that I need to see people as gods. I don't think that Tolkien was actaully a diety, but I'd hate to have met him and found out he was an insane, paranoid little freak. I don't think Harrison Ford is really anything like Han Solo, but I don't think I could look at Star Wars the same way if I found out he screamed like a girl at the sight of a spider.

Being in the position to meet the people you admire isn't always a good thing.

Sometimes you don't even have to meet them. Well this thread is a prime example, but I will gladly bore you with more.

I really enjoyed reading the series of books by Patrick O'Brian. Then just before he died it was revealed that his whole persona was a lie. He wasn't Irish. He had never been in the Navy. He deserted his wife and two children (one quite il). I still enjoy his writing, but I lost all respect for the man.
 
grrrly said:


i tend to shy away from being interesting, useful or intelligent...maybe i'll just stick to being an asshole or is that niche filled by you?


It's a role I'm well-suited for, and as a result am very good at.


One should always do what they do best...in your case that would be to run up your post total with mindless drivel.
 
On the topic of this thread my mother met Elvis in Las Vegas in 70 something and wishes to this day it had never happened.

She said she reaked of BO and bad cologne, was all blood shot and rude as hell.

There are celebs I'd like to hang with though. I watche Seth Green on John Stewart last night and I can't help thinking I'd love to rent bad movies with him. He just gives off that vibe.
 
Kurt Vonnegut

I met Kurt Vonnegut on a lecture tour in college. He was amazing. He told jokes and made us laugh. He smoked Navy-cut Pall Malls and didn't apologize, said it was the only part of the Southern Heritage that he didn't mind.

He also avoided taking questions afterward and more than once wished he was already dead. Nice guy.

Some of his best advice had to do with people needing more and more family. He said gangs were just people in need of family. Anybody read "Cat's Cradle" where he outlines his plan of "karasses?" What a beautiful bad novel, what a fascinating old fuck of a man.

God Bless Kurt.
 
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I met Micky Mouse once and...

I still remember the bitter disapointment I felt when I realised it was only a bloke in a suit.

Never seek out your heroes is all I can say.

ppman
 
IIRC Shakespeare in Love was written by Tom Stoppard, a playwright, kinda nulls out the point.

Uncle Leo? Wow.
 
I'm also a big Ray Bradbury fan. It's a shame he had to pontificate so much, when his stories were usually his visions of the future, which made their points far less bluntly.

Kurt Vonnegut kicks ass. I read Slaughterhouse-Five in high school and couldn't get enough. I wrote my term paper senior year on Cat's Cradle.

Oh, and rock on DCL for liking "24."

TB4p
 
Problem Child said:



It's a role I'm well-suited for, and as a result am very good at.


One should always do what they do best...in your case that would be to run up your post total with mindless drivel.

unlike you right? everything you type is gold....:rolleyes:

i must say, drivel that it is, i never posted in any of the never-ending threads
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
When Your Heroes Aren’t Gods.

Between “Sopranos”, “West Wing”, “24”, “NYPD Blue”, “Law and Order”, “Sex in the City”, “Monk”, “Mystery!”, and a whole host of other shows, I think we’re in the middle of a Golden Age of Television. Sure we have “Big Brother”, but, hell, the 1950s and 60s had crap too, Steve. Do I have to bring up “My Mother the Car”?


In support of the half hour format I'd like to add "Scrubs" as the best new comedy I've seen in a long time. It's renewed my faith in network comedy.
 
grrrly said:


unlike you right? everything you type is gold....:rolleyes:

i must say, drivel that it is, i never posted in any of the never-ending threads

What? :confused:

I don't know about you, grrrly. I think the juries still out.
 
hey dcl. i started a thread a couple of days ago about fantasies and the pros and cons of keeping them fantasy or fulfulling them. some of the sexual fantasies that i've fulfilled could just as well have stayed fantasy for all the fun they actually were. i guess the same logic applies to keeping our heroes at arms length. i don't imagine that many of them would live up to our expectations.

i do, however still mourn the fact that my laziness in not going to the airport with my ex-wife to pick someone up caused me to miss out on a chance to meet red skelton. he was such a major part of my childhood/teen years and a genuinely nice guy and he was there that night signing autographs and drawing clown sketches and i missed it.
 
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