Recount?

[4est_4est_Gump]

Tell me, why does the great and powerful Orange One who insists there is massive voter fraud in "the general election" except when it comes to recounts choose to block the recount in Michigan and not Wisconsin? Why not block Wisconsin and not Michigan? Why not block both?

You're right.

Hang him by his own petard.

He's moving on and doing things...

Thank Gawd Democrats cannot move on.

 

[Wrong Element]

You're right.

Hang him by his own petard.

He's moving on and doing things...

Thank Gawd Democrats cannot move on.

Holding campaign rallies 23 days after the election is "moving on?"

 

[Worm]

To be fair Obama's entire Presidency was a campaign rally. What was that shit in Germany with the Roman/Greek columns where he talked about the oceans bending to his will.

FFS.

 

[water505]

I am asking for the recounts to go on.

I am also urging the Democrats to stick with Pelosi and go with Ellison.

Whatever prevents them from recovering from this train wreck is Jake with me.

I agree. They're the right people at the right time to further disengage their party from reality.

 

[about_average]

Democrats aren't asking for recounts in California.

What's the evidence for illegal voting in CA?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Holding campaign rallies 23 days after the election is "moving on?"

What?

You didn't say a fucking thing when Obama was doing campaign rallies just last month, against tradition, for Hillary* instead of doing a damned thing to keep jobs in the US...


He's not President yet and he's taking time out to say thank you to the people who got him elected. Bashing him for that is pretty petty.


* Ironically, he got the same result as when he tried to bring the Olympics to Chicago...

 

[phrodeau]

To be fair Obama's entire Presidency was a campaign rally. What was that shit in Germany with the Roman/Greek columns where he talked about the oceans bending to his will.

FFS.

You're right. That does smell like shit. Who told you that he said anything like that?

 

[Conager]

"This was the moment* when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal."

*this was the moment he was celebrating his victory and ascenscion to the pinnacle of world-changing power.

So tell us...by exactly how much did his divine power slow the negligible rate of sea rise?

 

[phrodeau]

"This was the moment* when the rise of the oceans began to slow, and our planet began to heal."

*this was the moment he was celebrating his victory and ascenscion to the pinnacle of world-changing power.

So tell us...by exactly how much did his divine power slow the negligible rate of sea rise?

Wrong. That quote is from his nomination acceptance, not his election victory. He doesn't say anything about his will or bending, Germany or columns in that speech.

You guys simply don't try very hard to back up stuff. It's not worth my time to respond, sometimes.

 

[about_average]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/election-security-is-a-matter-of-national-security/

The good news is that we know how to solve this problem. We need to audit computers by manually examining randomly selected paper ballots and comparing the results to machine results. Audits require a voter-verified paper ballot, which the voter inspects to confirm that his or her selections have been correctly and indelibly recorded. Since 2003, an active community of academics, lawyers, election officials and activists has urged states to adopt paper ballots and robust audit procedures. This campaign has had significant, but slow, success. As of now, about three quarters of U.S. voters vote on paper ballots. Twenty-six states do some type of manual audit, but none of their procedures are adequate. Auditing methods have recently been devised that are much more efficient than those used in any state. It is important that audits be performed on every contest in every election, so that citizens do not have to request manual recounts to feel confident about election results. With high-quality audits, it is very unlikely that election fraud will go undetected whether perpetrated by another country or a political party.

There is no reason we can’t implement these measures before the 2020 elections. As a nation, we need to recognize the urgency of the task, to overcome the political and organizational obstacles that have impeded progress. Otherwise, we risk losing our country to hackers armed with keyboards, without a shot being fired.

 

[Beco]

To be fair Obama's entire Presidency was a campaign rally. What was that shit in Germany with the Roman/Greek columns where he talked about the oceans bending to his will.

FFS.

You mean, the "Apology Tour"? or Apology Tour part deux?

 

[Conager]

Wrong. That quote is from his nomination acceptance, not his election victory. He doesn't say anything about his will or bending, Germany or columns in that speech.

You guys simply don't try very hard to back up stuff. It's not worth my time to respond, sometimes.

Yrah, there was no hubris in that speech at all. He was most definitely talking about himself. Do you think he was talking about the fact that his candidacy was going to somehow move John McCain to the left? The assumption was he would win.

Whch everyone knew. Everyone knew that whoever the Democratic nominee was they would beat the Republican.

 

[Conager]

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/election-security-is-a-matter-of-national-security/

Good idea. Then, all you have to do is make sure that the person pushing the button on the computer is both who he says he is and is an eligible voter and is not voting in any other precinct to ensure an accurate and honest election.

Only one party is opposed to that. Only one party found it worrisome thst they can't "find" last minute ballot boxes as needed when the resultd are already computer tabulated. Only one party has an aversion to computer voting.

 

[PrincepsCyberius]

Now hear this.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

My party doesn't want computers voting...

 

[Conager]

My party doesn't want computers voting...

it's your party you can cry if you want to.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Who's Sorry Now?

 

[about_average]

Now hear this.

Please explain how a perfectly legal recount following the statutory rules threatens democracy.

Good idea. Then, all you have to do is make sure that the person pushing the button on the computer is both who he says he is and is an eligible voter and is not voting in any other precinct to ensure an accurate and honest election.

Only one party is opposed to that. Only one party found it worrisome thst they can't "find" last minute ballot boxes as needed when the resultd are already computer tabulated. Only one party has an aversion to computer voting.

They're only opposed to it because only one party continually refuses to include in voter ID laws provisions to make sure all citizens can easily get ID's.
As for opposition to the principle of electronic voting by party, you're going to have to provide a cite before I take you seriously.

Here in GA, I have to provide an ID, yet have absolutely no way to know my vote is going to the people I intend, because there's no audit trail.
Apparently it's important to validate that I'm a citizen, but not important to validate my actual vote.

 

[water505]

They're only opposed to it because only one party continually refuses to include in voter ID laws provisions to make sure all citizens can easily get ID's.

What is so difficult about getting an ID? Was it a typo and you really meant IUD?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's been a YUUUUUUUUGE recount so far...

 

[about_average]

What is so difficult about getting an ID?

If you got out more you wouldn't have to ask.

If it's so easy for everyone, explain the opposition to ensuring everyone can.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If you got out more you wouldn't have to ask.

If it's so easy for everyone, explain the opposition to ensuring everyone can.

Who is opposed to allowing citizens to have an ID?

 

[Beco]

“How odd is it that we must jump through bureaucratic hoops and raise millions of dollars so we can trust our election results,” Stein tweeted.

Too much green.....ya know

 

[Conager]

Please explain how a perfectly legal recount following the statutory rules threatens democracy.

They're only opposed to it because only one party continually refuses to include in voter ID laws provisions to make sure all citizens can easily get ID's.
As for opposition to the principle of electronic voting by party, you're going to have to provide a cite before I take you seriously.

Here in GA, I have to provide an ID, yet have absolutely no way to know my vote is going to the people I intend, because there's no audit trail.
Apparently it's important to validate that I'm a citizen, but not important to validate my actual vote.

Bullshit. No one is suggesting making ids difficult to get. Except for illegal aliens who shouldn't get ids at all. But can. Easilly.

Instead, the not-Democrats have shown how ridiculously easy it is to get an ID. Lowered barriers, waived fees, if any. For IDs, the poorest citizens already have. You can't get benefits for anything without ID that's the first thing they get.

The last time your ilk was making a fuss about that, I offered to fully reimburse every dollar that anyone you know who can't get an ID has to spend to get an ID up to and including cab fare to and from the DMV I got zero takers, because none of you assholes know a single person without ID. Most of you assholes don't even know any poor people.

So just shut the fuck up about that ridiculous red herring. The one and only reason that Democrats do not want ID is because it fucks with stuffing the ballot boxes. You know the very thing that you guys claim never happens, and conveniently cannot be checked for. All we know is there some signatures scribbled on a line next to the number of ballots written out you have no idea who scribbled that. Could be an imposter could be a friendly poll worker who just scribbles in half a dozen 20 or 50 little scribbles when he stuffed the ballot boxes with 50 ballots. To pretend that something as remunerative as some local politician getting or not getting that particular position would not lead to people cheating when and if they have an opportunity to do so is not just naive it's disingenuous.

Until I see National Democratic leaders demanding that every single voter be accurately identified and vetted for eligibility I can say with certainty that Democrats are even more certain about ballot stuffing that I am. They depend on it. How do you think Democrats get elected at all in some areas of center-right country?

The concept of local Democrats riding the national Democratic leaders coattails is inaccurate. It works exactly the other way; corrupt local politicians stuff the ballot boxes and while they're doing it they vote a straight Democratic ticket. Vast majority of the major scandals involving Big Boss party machines have been Democrats, aways big cities, always involve patronage, always involves graft and corruption. You people stink of corruption and pretending you don't isn't even cute.

 

[water505]

If you got out more you wouldn't have to ask.

If it's so easy for everyone, explain the opposition to ensuring everyone can.

You have a bad habit of saying really stupid things and being unable to back up the nonsense coming out of your mouth. Attacking someone who questions you only serves to make you look like a fucking moron. I learn something new here every day.