Refugees

[BotanyBoy]

The border between Syria and Iraq was an artifical construct by the French and British. The local tribes and religious groupings do not recognise it as valid. To them that border is irrelevant as a utility board's regional area boundary.

Ok....lets go with that.

They won man....along with the EU and most of the left in the US you ALL won.

Evil white male warmongers LEFT Iraq and the wonderful religion of peace is back in control.....

Which is exactly what everyone but evil white warmongering male Americans wanted. I'm just pissed we aren't being more serious about making everyone, including Europe eat that decision. We should be letting ISIS fuckin' run wild on that bitch, not bending ourselves over a barrel to cater to their stupidity.

 

[putzpotus]

The border between Syria and Iraq was an artifical construct by the French and British. The local tribes and religious groupings do not recognise it as valid. To them that border is irrelevant as a utility board's regional area boundary.

keep focusing on THIS SHIT

and ignoring teh death of EUROPUKE

Merry Fucking Christmas, your Grandkids may not have em in 10 yrs

 

[RobDownSouth]

Would you eat from a bowl of M&Ms if you knew 2 were poisoned?

Donald Trump Junior ("Libsam" on Lit) regurgitated his poisoned candy meme to the Twitterverse.

It did not go well for Junior

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Donald Trump Junior ("Libsam" on Lit) regurgitated his poisoned candy meme to the Twitterverse.

It did not go well for Junior

This one actually made me laugh. I couldn't help myself.

"I'll eat all of them if your father becomes president."

 

[phrodeau]

Donald Trump Junior ("Libsam" on Lit) regurgitated his poisoned candy meme to the Twitterverse.

It did not go well for Junior

They left out my favorite:

Holly @hollye83
Do I have much choice after your dad disbands the FDA?

 

[phrodeau]

The picture of the bowl of Skittles in Donald Trump Jr's tweet was taken by David Kittos, a refugee from Cyprus.

Trump did not have permission, nor did he pay for the image.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37421886

 

[Colonel Hogan]

The picture of the bowl of Skittles in Donald Trump Jr's tweet was taken by David Kittos, a refugee from Cyprus.

Trump did not have permission, nor did he pay for the image.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37421886

Sorry. You and David lose.

http://petapixel.com/2015/08/24/photographer-loses-copyright-suit-over-cc-licensed-photo-on-flickr/

 

[phrodeau]

Sorry. You and David lose.

http://petapixel.com/2015/08/24/photographer-loses-copyright-suit-over-cc-licensed-photo-on-flickr/

He isn't persuing.

 

[Hard_Rom]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca...9bd/canada&link_location=live-reporting-story

The unique programme that brings refugees to Canada

Just over a year ago, the image of Alan Kurdi lying washed up on a Turkish shore shocked the world and brought the human tragedy of the global refugee crisis into sharp relief.

The photograph of the three-year-old's body also served as a tipping point in Canada's 2015 federal election campaign when the country learned the toddler's aunt had tried unsuccessfully to bring his relatives into the country.

In the ensuing months, people across the country voluntarily organised to sponsor Syrian refugees.

Canada's private sponsorship programme is the oldest and best known in the world. Its implementation coincided with another conflict four decades ago.

The new policy came into force in 1978 under former Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau's government, just as people were growing increasingly alarmed at the plight of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese, Cambodians and Laotians fleeing communist regimes by sea in leaking, unsafe boats.

The programme, overseen by the federal government, allows groups of private citizens - often with ties to faith-based organisations, cultural groups or humanitarian organisations - to directly sponsor refugees.

From January 1979 to December 1980, Canada resettled 60,049 so-called "boat people." More than 50%, were privately sponsored, often by complete strangers.

"It really touched a nerve," said Brian Dyck, national migration and resettlement co-ordinator with the Mennonite Central Committee, among the first groups to work with the federal government to assist in private sponsorship in Canada.

"They felt compelled to get involved."

That generosity won "the people of Canada" the 1986 UN's Nansen refugee award, which recognises outstanding service to the causes of refugees - the only time the medal has been awarded to a whole country.

Since 1979, Canada has resettled over 275,000 refugees under the private sponsorship programme, though the number of private sponsorships dipped in recent years to around 3,000 to 5,000 annually from that initial peak.

But following the publication of Alan Kurdi's image on front pages nationwide, settlement groups that assisted private sponsorships were quickly overwhelmed by the demand.

"You kept getting calls on a daily basis," said Lora Remacka, program coordinator with Toronto's Lifeline Syria.

Since last November, Canada has welcomed over 30,000 Syrian refugees. Almost 11,300 were brought in through private sponsorship.

By the end of this year, the federal government expects to have resettled some 44,000 refugees in total, not just from Syria, including almost 18,000 privately sponsored refugees.

In 2012, Australia launched a pilot sponsorship project based on the programme. In 2015, the United Kingdom announced it was considering creating a similar model.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

He isn't persuing.

Which should be evidence enough why your observation that Trump did not have permission or pay for the image is absolutely pointless.

I didn't offer the link to tell David what he probably already knew. I thought you perhaps needed educating.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Donald Trump Junior ("Libsam" on Lit) regurgitated his poisoned candy meme to the Twitterverse.

It did not go well for Junior

I missed this earlier.

https://twitter.com/cajafata

Never mind #Skittles, Donald Trump Jr is the son of a Circus Peanut

 

[Hard_Rom]

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35447113

In a small, crowded classroom in tiny Belleville, Ontario, Syria native Abdel Malek al-Jasem is learning some very important terms in English. Coat, gloves, toque, scarf and boots. He scribbles them in a notebook next to their Arabic translations. He will need all of that gear as he adjusts to life in Canada.

Jasem and his children are learning how to live in their new country. They learned to ice skate in January. They don't like the cold and snow in Canada, they said, but like all things, it will just "take time" to get used to.

"Everything back home is gone. Everything is demolished… there's nothing left to go back to," said Jamal Bsat, who was working as a translator in the classroom with Jasem.

Jasem said he prefers his old wardrobe, though. In Canada, he said you have to wear "too many clothes on top of each other".

Over in rural, snow-covered Picton, houses are kilometres apart, the long roads dotted by farms. The Jasem family is settling in. Their youngest boy ran around the home rambunctiously on a January afternoon, playing with a toy plane and getting dangerously close to knocking over mugs of hot chocolate.

Slowly, all the other children arrived home from school on yellow school buses, bright against the white landscape. The teenage boys wrapped their arms around their younger siblings as they bounded into the house.

"Good job, good job, good job," one young girl said, repeating a favourite phrase learned in school.

Another practises, "Hi, how are you? I'm good."

One teenage brother said he was happy to be going to school after working long hours back in Lebanon as a butcher, but he wants to get a job as soon as possible so he can contribute to the family, and as his sponsor said, get out of the house on the weekends.

"My friend in Lebanon told me working at McDonald's is good," he said.

One of the family's sponsors, local art gallery owner Carlyn Moulton, said she would talk to the manager of the McDonald's in town to get him a job, filling his eyes with excitement.

"You are going to do more than work at McDonald's," she said. "Maybe you could manage a McDonald's."

Another son spoke to the model United Nations conference in his school recently. The topic was refugees and displaced persons.

"This was the first time they'd met a person as a refugee, to practically hear someone say our house was bombed," said Moulton. "It profoundly moved the other kids."

In Mississauga, a community near Toronto with a large Muslim population, the Al Hasan family arrived in January.

Before, they all lived in one room in Lebanon, where they spent four years before getting to Canada. Now, the family is desperately trying to get two more daughters over to the country, one currently in Iran and one in Turkey.

On a day not even a month after arriving in Canada, they purchased so much while out shopping with their sponsor that they struggled to bring it upstairs. Bags of ground turkey and bread sagged under one child holding a new toaster.

Before arriving in Canada, the Al Hasan family's daily grievances and worries were quite different than how to get bags of groceries into the lift.

"We just pray and hope that not another person will die in this situation, whether it's in hands of the crazed [so-called Islamic State] - in the name of Islam, it's so ridiculous to us - it's all people just dying," said Batal al-Hasan, the patriarch of the family, speaking through a translator.

"We're hoping it will stop like right now, and not a single more person will suffer and the country will return and rebuild. I hope with God's will it will stop and change. If not for our generation, for future generations."

One of his daughters said of Canada, "There's so much freedom, I'm very, very happy."

"She couldn't go out, she just stayed at home [in Jordan]...you feel like you're choking, no freedom whatsoever," said Mariela Barazi, one of the family's sponsors also serving as a translator.

Asked if the family would return to Syria should things resolve, Hasan said their new home is Canada.

"We want to establish ourselves here," he said. "We would love to be able to go visit our Syria and visit Syria in the future, but for the future for our kids, we want to establish somewhere where we can build a life."

"Here, everyone has the same value."

By early March, the Jasem family moved into a new home in Picton. They are renting it from their sponsors, who purchased it. The home has a backyard and a fireplace, and the children can walk to school. Eventually, the Jasem family will purchase it from their sponsors.

Ahmed, the son who wanted to work at McDonald's, has been hired at a local restaurant in Picton for the summer and is working part-time, along with some of his brothers, at a local canoe and kayak company. Abel Malek al-Jasem is starting to look for work. Moulton said he would really love to work on a farm. Some of their relatives have also arrived in Canada and have moved in across the street.

"Lots of progress has been made," said Moulton. "None of this would have happened if they were government-sponsored."

The younger children are doing very well in school, picking up English quickly, the school principal recently said. Jasem now has a car and will soon no longer rely on the sponsors for transportation.

The family are a world away from the old reality - running from their home due to bombings, fleeing and then struggling to get by in Lebanon.

When the family arrived, they were "exhausted in a profound way", said Moulton.

"It is almost impossible to imagine what everyone must have been through. It's not a bad thing for them to have a little recovery time. Soon enough, the daily grind will be upon them."

 

[Hard_Rom]

"This is something that we are able to do in this country because we define a Canadian not by a skin colour or a language or a religion or a background," Trudeau said at Toronto-Pearson International Airport last December, during a well-publicised event that led to images of Mr Trudeau giving coats to refugees after they emerged from a plane.

"But by a shared set of values, aspirations, hopes and dreams that not just Canadians but people around the world share."


*Fuck you Trump and your little entitled rich kid bastards*

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

"This is something that we are able to do in this country because we define a Canadian not by a skin colour or a language or a religion or a background," Trudeau said at Toronto-Pearson International Airport last December, during a well-publicised event that led to images of Mr Trudeau giving coats to refugees after they emerged from a plane.

"But by a shared set of values, aspirations, hopes and dreams that not just Canadians but people around the world share."


*Fuck you Trump and your little entitled rich kid bastards*

This is a bunch of open borders globalist bullshit. Go ahead. lower your working class wages, you suckers/

 

[underguy1]

This is a bunch of open borders globalist bullshit. Go ahead. lower your working class wages, you suckers/

It's a photo op for a fraud feigning humanitarianism. Canada has no moral high ground to be lecturing anyone.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I guess we can stop admitting American immigrants and tourists then. They're killing one another at the rate of a small war. They kill one another more than Daesh kills Americans, Brits and Europeans. Dangerous fuckers. Never know if one is some sort of gun nutter. Hell, our border service confiscates hundreds of guns of them every year when they come over.

 

[phrodeau]

Which should be evidence enough why your observation that Trump did not have permission or pay for the image is absolutely pointless.

I didn't offer the link to tell David what he probably already knew. I thought you perhaps needed educating.

He's only following in his father's footsteps.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...e-doing-things-with-1474409470-htmlstory.html

"It's called other people's money," he said. "There's nothing like doing things with other people's money."

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I guess we can stop admitting American immigrants and tourists then. They're killing one another at the rate of a small war. They kill one another more than Daesh kills Americans, Brits and Europeans. Dangerous fuckers. Never know if one is some sort of gun nutter. Hell, our border service confiscates hundreds of guns of them every year when they come over.

If your government sees fit to ban US citizens, so be it. But we know that won't happen because Trudeau is a pussy handing the country over to the 1%,

 

[snugglestruggle]

I guess we can stop admitting American immigrants and tourists then. They're killing one another at the rate of a small war. They kill one another more than Daesh kills Americans, Brits and Europeans. Dangerous fuckers. Never know if one is some sort of gun nutter. Hell, our border service confiscates hundreds of guns of them every year when they come over.

Please take in as many progressive American citizens as possible.

 

[hashtag45]

"This is something that we are able to do in this country because we define a Canadian not by a skin colour or a language or a religion or a background," Trudeau said at Toronto-Pearson International Airport last December, during a well-publicised event that led to images of Mr Trudeau giving coats to refugees after they emerged from a plane.

"But by a shared set of values, aspirations, hopes and dreams that not just Canadians but people around the world share."

to help the 0.01% get even richer and in control of the world,
and to buy into their kumbaia propaganda of supporting reffugees while they support the bombing and destruction
of the Middle East.

 

[Emerson40]

to help the 0.01% get even richer and in control of the world,
and to buy into their kumbaia propaganda of supporting reffugees while they support the bombing and destruction
of the Middle East.

Wrong, again.

Can you find something to copy & paste to support your pist?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

He's only following in his father's footsteps.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...e-doing-things-with-1474409470-htmlstory.html

What the fuck are you talking about? I took specific issue with your insinuation that Trump was somehow wrong for using a photograph "without permission or paying compensation" when, in fact, such use was in full lawful compliance with the Creative Commons usage license governing the website Flickr where the image was obtained.

And now you want to further create the illusion that this is about some unscrupulous use of "other people's money"???? Don't you know enough to slink off in embarrassment after you've been proven wrong about something?

This is no more about using other people's money than your using a public highway is using other people's money. I guess technically it is if you drive over any stretch of asphalt that your fraction of tax money didn't proportionally pay for, but are you really supposed to be chagrined about that?? Of course not. That's dumbass Eyer politics.

The campaign used a photograph in the public domain because that is where the photographer put it rather than copyrighting it in accordance with the law.

Then the campaign used it for an unarguably stupid analogy for immigration policy. Can't you be satisfied with that rather than insisting on making equally dumbass analogies of your own?

 

[phrodeau]

What the fuck are you talking about? I took specific issue with your insinuation that Trump was somehow wrong for using a photograph "without permission or paying compensation" when, in fact, such use was in full lawful compliance with the Creative Commons usage license governing the website Flickr where the image was obtained.

And now you want to further create the illusion that this is about some unscrupulous use of "other people's money"???? Don't you know enough to slink off in embarrassment after you've been proven wrong about something?

This is no more about using other people's money than your using a public highway is using other people's money. I guess technically it is if you drive over any stretch of asphalt that your fraction of tax money didn't proportionally pay for, but are you really supposed to be chagrined about that?? Of course not. That's dumbass Eyer politics.

The campaign used a photograph in the public domain because that is where the photographer put it rather than copyrighting it in accordance with the law.

Then the campaign used it for an unarguably stupid analogy for immigration policy. Can't you be satisfied with that rather than insisting on making equally dumbass analogies of your own?

Flickr images are not necessarily public domain. There is a small public domain section, but that was made active in 2015, years after the photo was posted, according to the photographer.

The Creative Commons license specifically states that all uses require attribution. Trump gave none.

 

[gotsnowgotslush]

"...this particular image was copyrighted by the photographer."

“This was six years ago when there were no Syrian refugees at the time, and it was never done with the intention of spreading a political message,” Kittos told the BBC.

"I did not give the Trump campaign approval to use the photo."

“The picture was lifted from my Flickr account without permission. I don’t approve of its use by Mr. Trump or his politics."

Kittos himself is a refugee, whose family fled Cyprus during Turkish occupation in 1974, when he was 6.

“I would never approve the use of this image against refugees."

- David Kittos, U.K.-based photographer

https://thinkprogress.org/skittles-photo-trump-jr-refugee-photographer-22d26f36df1d

http://www.latimes.com/nation/polit...e-doing-things-with-1474409470-htmlstory.html

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Flickr images are not necessarily public domain. There is a small public domain section, but that was made active in 2015, years after the photo was posted, according to the photographer.

The Creative Commons license specifically states that all uses require attribution. Trump gave none.

"Public domain" was a technically inaccurate usage on my part. The Creative Common license is what governs, and as my previous post of the 2008 court case aptly demonstrates, the license was in place prior to the posting of the Skittles photo in 2010.

It would have been nice if the Trump campaign had credited the photographer, but even that might not have been required under the following license term:

You do not have to comply with the license for elements of the material in the public domain or where your use is permitted by an applicable exception or limitation.

In the United States, such an applicable exception or limitation includes "fair use," which typically includes court review of the following four elements:

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

Of those four elements, the use of a pedestrian photograph of a plain bowl of Skittles candy by a nonprofit political campaign to make an "educational allegorical statement" about alleged dangerous immigration policy would seem to favor a finding of fair use by a court of law -- particularly since such use would seem not to adversely impact the potential marketability or value of the photograph. If anything, the additional publicity photographer Kittos has now enjoyed may only increase that value.

But, hey, congratulations. It only took you three follow up posts to your original irrelevant bitching about lack of permission and paid compensation to finally find the one ARGUABLY RELEVANT objection to the Trump campaign's use of the photograph -- lack of attribution.

That's it. Was it worth it? Do you really think you saved face by going to the mat over such an incredibly trivial matter?

Do you really need to be reminded that the damage to the Trump cause lies more in the absurd way that they actually USED the photo rather than the thoroughly legal way in which they obtained it????