Religious Beliefs

[Pyper]

That was incredibly weird. I wrote "deja vu" without having read insideShiraz's post.

 

[Angel]

Damn, dinner. I was enjoying the discussion, be back in a while!

 

[Angel]

That was incredibly weird. I wrote "deja vu" without having read insideShiraz's post.

 

[Nobody Special]

most of the Wiccans I know here are also Christians in belief.. and it does piss me off that they try to mix the two religions into one..

Why does that piss you off?

Oh and just to make a point... in the beggining of Christianity...the Christians where the Pagans...if you'll remember correctly.

[Edited by Nobody Special on 04-10-2001 at 06:19 PM]

 

[Todd]

I preface this with this statement: I have nothing against wiccans and witches and warlocks. I repect the person and thier beleifes even if they are not my own.


The concept of a Chirstian witch is contradictory term.

THe Christian Bible has many warnings of not practicing witchcraft as a christian. and that practicers of witchcraft willl not enter heaven.

I guess what happens is practioners of the white magic side of witch craft look harmless compartively to those who practice the black arts.

ANd the more ecumenical all embracing of everything christian sees the white magic practicing christian as acceptable cause they are not really doing any harm.

Thats my thoery on it. I mean no offense to christianity or to those who practice wiccan or witch craft

 

[insideShiraz]

Re: Re: But then why

do they remain in a religion which is indeed dictated by men in robes, a pretty narrow-minded book, and prohibs what they are doing? Why not lose the Christian part and be freely and simple Witches?

Because they believe in God and Christ? I'm not one, but I'm only basing what I'm telling you on what I have read/heard.

If there is a Christian Witch out there who could explain it better, please do. In the meantime I will look for the URL to a friend's site, then post it for you if you want a better explanation..

Well, I'll stand up for us Christian witches...

personally I prefer to be called an Electric Chair Cross Baptist...

If we don't crucify Jesus every day to cleanse our Sins, where would we be?...

 

[Nobody Special]

most of the Wiccans I know here are also Christians in belief.. and it does piss me off that they try to mix the two religions into one..

Why does that piss you off?

Oh and just to make a point... in the beggining of Christianity...the Christians where the Pagans...if you'll remember correctly.



[Edited by G.R. on 04-10-2001 at 06:09 PM]

Why does it Piss me off?? Because they start counterdicting themselves..

and yes I do remember the History of Christianity. I also know that it is one of the Cruelest Religions in the world..

that is if you look at what Christianity has doen in History.. not because of the way that they were treated when it was starting out... but if you look even farther back at it you will notice that the Bible is based on 3 philosephers, Sacrates, Plato, and Aristotle... if you were to look at there philosofies and hen compare it to the bible you will get the point that I am making...

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[Blackbich]

Okay, I'm really getting ready to catch hell for being naive but how can you be a witch and Christian at the same time?

I have to admit, the only witches I've ever seen have been on TV, which don't seem to coincide with Christianity. Actually, I have met one witch and she DEFINITELY wasn't Christian.

So, is that possible and, if so, how? Angel, I'd be interested in that website if you can find it.



[Edited by Blackbich on 04-10-2001 at 06:28 PM]

 

[Starfish]

Actually, the term "Jedi" and some of the philosophy surrounding it stems from medieval Japanese culture. Whoa, deja vu.

I did say "barely"....didn't I?

Not that I don't believe you....but could you please educate me on a more specific level...

What exactly is the origin of the word and what specifics relate to the Japanese philosophy?

If you are unable tell me specifically, would you please direct me to the source of which you recieved this information....


Oh and those of you who want to be Padawans......Go here


http://www.tigertoys.com/yoda

Oh wait, Go to Toys R Us first!

[Edited by G.R. on 04-10-2001 at 06:24 PM]

 

[Pyper]

Okay, G.R. I'm working on it, lemme get back to you. If only I could remember the right spelling of "Jedi".

 

[Starfish]

Judo? J/K

Ha Take your time, Love, I have learned great patience.

 

[Purple Haze]

I'm still trying to figure out how you can be a witch and an atheist at the same time.

 

[Svedish_Chef]

Why does it Piss me off?? Because they start counterdicting themselves..

and yes I do remember the History of Christianity. I also know that it is one of the Cruelest Religions in the world..

Hate to counterdict you (Contradict)!

You would be talking about Catholicism I believe and it is littered with perverted priests and psyco popes... we aren't all Catholics you know.

I am a christian.

 

[Starfish]

NS......I was just curious....I get your point about the bible and Greek philosophy.....Didn't the greeks write the first bible??? Cept they didn't disclude Mary Magdaline's testamony...like the other Christians.


I understand that you see them contradicting themselves, but I would assume that most of them don't adhere to the ridiculous aspects of Christian Philosophy??? Don't really know. I do know a high preistess who embraces many basic Christ related philosophies, but is not Christian.


I am still cracking up over that letter to Doctor Judy...or who ever the fuck she is??? Dr. of dipshit, is more like it...

 

[insideShiraz]

Worship Jehovah/Allah at the Same time

and be a Protestant/Catholic at the same time, and Satan shares your entire life anywayz...and you think Kathy Lee iz a total slut...

 

[Pyper]

Well, darn. The best I could find concerning the history of the term "Jedi" was a big long essay-type thing discussing the influences of Japanese culture on all the Star Wars movies, including Episode I. This was not exactly what I was looking for, because I know there was a group of feudal Japanese warriors called Jedi (but spelled differently) which inspired George Lucas. I wish somebody would rescue me from this, I thought it was fairly common knowledge among Star Wars freaks.

Here is the link if you are interested, G.R. http://www.echostation.com/features/japanese.htm

 

[Angel]

I'm still trying to figure out how you can be a witch and an atheist at the same time.

You can practice witchcraft without having a religion... I don't look at my beliefs as a religion, nor do I believe in God, gods, godesses or any other higher being.


The definition of an atheist, at least in any dictionary I've looked in is one who denies the existance of God. WICCA is a religion in which they believe in higher beings, I would define it as a religion that some witches follow, having tried that path in the past.

 

[Starfish]

Okay, here.......


Sorry, I was being very specific......Culture and Religion do not always go hand in hand....though in Japanese culture you will find that it does, however....

Yes...Star Wars reflects many cultural, philosophical influences of the Japanese and many other cultures...but the Religion of the Japanese is Shinto....And no where in Star wars will you find Shinto philosophy represented within the Jedi.

The Jedi(sp?) were Shinto... not Jedi, in religon...That was their social standing...not religion...

I did say that there was many "Cultural influences" in the creation of the Jedi philosophy...but very little specific religous characteristics.....If anything it is closer to the Buddist Religous philosophy than anything...but still really doesn't reflect it.

 

[Angel]

Okay, I'm really getting ready to catch hell for being naive but how can you be a witch and Christian at the same time?

I have to admit, the only witches I've ever seen have been on TV, which don't seem to coincide with Christianity. Actually, I have met one witch and she DEFINITELY wasn't Christian.

So, is that possible and, if so, how? Angel, I'd be interested in that website if you can find it.



[Edited by Blackbich on 04-10-2001 at 06:28 PM]

I'm looking for it, as well as others.. are you on AOL? If so they have their own forum in the Pagan message board section until I can post a few links.

 

[Angel]

Christian Witch Weblinks

http://members.aol.com/RawnaMoon/

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcr5.htm

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/2592/


http://www.geocities.com/frater_smm/index.html



Sorry that took so long, I had to dig deep into my bookmarks

 

[Purple Haze]

You can practice witchcraft without having a religion...

I'll give you that one.

The definition of an atheist, at least in any dictionary I've looked in is one who denies the existance of God.

Big fucking DUH.

I don't look at my beliefs as a religion, nor do I believe in God, gods, godesses or any other higher being

Sounds atheist to me, exept atheists don't believe in spells, spirits, witchcraft, or any other paranormal types of things. Being an atheist means this is all a bunch of hooey.

One more time, how can an atheist practice withcraft?

 

[Angel]

Give me a better word to use and I'll use it. I said before that it was the easiest way I had to describe my belief system, not the set in stone definition. Agnostic doesn't fit.

I use the term atheist because I don't believe in God. And I am still searching for my own truths. I have no spirituality.

I tried explaining this to Dillinger once in an E-mail, and it was the closest I'd ever come to putting into words how I feel. I will try to find it and post it, otherwise Dill please forward a copy back my way if you see this.

 

[Nobody Special's wife]

You can practice witchcraft without having a religion...

I'll give you that one.

The definition of an atheist, at least in any dictionary I've looked in is one who denies the existance of God.

Big fucking DUH.

I don't look at my beliefs as a religion, nor do I believe in God, gods, godesses or any other higher being

Sounds atheist to me, exept atheists don't believe in spells, spirits, witchcraft, or any other paranormal types of things. Being an atheist means this is all a bunch of hooey.

One more time, how can an atheist practice withcraft?

I'm a witch and what I believe is not a god or a goddess but I believe in what I see and feel....

Does the sun not give you heat when its cold??

Does the wind not carrass your face when your to hot or sad

does the tree not give you shade when the sun is too hot

Does the river not provide you liquid to drink as well as giveing the earth water as she feeds animals to feed you??


That is my religon .....ITs my belief ...so don't even think of calling me an athiest cause I'm not!!!


Atheist are people who need scientific proof on what exsits today......


This is who I am and I am proud of it as well ...So if you want to flame me go ahead .....

THE WIFE

 

[Angel]

Actually, NSW I was calling myself an Atheist Witch.

BTW when is the witchling due?

 

[CreamyLady]

There is a different path for every pair of feet, and that is as far as I go anymore in discussions of theology.