Republicans are quite simply un-American

[jp55665566]

Democrat, Republican, etc., are labels reflecting political affiliation and do not reveal what's in the heart of an individual. Crooks can be democrat or republican or etc.

 

[Dumpington]

phrodeau writes: "Bad example. Robert Byrd renounced his racism and earned support from civil rights groups. And if he had preferred not to be eulogized by a black man, he had every opportunity to demand that."

So, you're now saying that if David Duke renounces his racist KKK past he can STILL become a successful (and even respected) Democratic Party candidate - just like Democratic Party Klan members have been doing from the re-construction era of the 1860's all the way up to the civil rights era in the 1960's?

Kirkrapine writes: "More usually it's conservatives who think liberals are evil idiots."

In some instances, perhaps. But I've noticed that more liberals appear to be ruled by their emotions, and believing that all conservatives & Trump-supporters are evil racists seems to fit in with their emotion-driven political agenda. It's pretty-much all they've got after looking at the facts.

PhoneMistress writes: "Republicans have become a parody of what they say they believe."

I believe pretty much the exact same things that I believed back when Ronald Reagan was president. Liberals hated him, too, by the way. Meanwhile, somebody here on this thread recently posted a picture of former President Harry Truman, who would NEVER BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK at a modern Democratic Party convention. The politically-progressive left dumped Harry's butt back when the George McGovern wing took over in 1972!

And we all know "that dude" who believes stupid stuff. Actress Alissa Milano was recently quoted as saying that anyone wearing one of those MAGA hats (Make American Great Again) means that they are both racist & misogynist. Of course, the modern Democratic Party HAS to push that kind of silliness for two primary reasons: 1) in 2016, women did NOT overwhelmingly rush to support Mrs. Clinton as expected, and 2) also in 2016, black voter-support for Hillary was remarkably SHALLOW. So now, the Democrats have no choice but to push a false narrative that President Trump & his supporters are somehow racist & misogynist. Of course, record-low unemployment numbers for blacks & women somehow refutes all of that, making anti-Trump liberal Democrats all the MORE emotional & unbalanced in their loudly professed hatreds.

 

[Dumpington]

Kirkrapine writes: "AOC and Sanders want Euro-style social democracy"

Adolf Hitler's National-Socialism was a violent form of Europeanized-socialism that failed miserably, as was the Karl Marx-inspired socialism that oppressed much of eastern Europe for half-a-century under a string of brutal Communist dictatorships that were all overthrown in the early 1990's.

Today in Venezuela is another socialist experiment that is rapidly destroying that once-prosperous nation. Even Bernie Sanders & Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are afraid of mentioning that fiasco, as the Maduro regime represents pretty-much EXACTLY what they'd like to see happening here in the United States!

I would LOVE to see Bernie travel to Caracas to tell them what they're doing wrong - I mean, how funny would THAT be? Bernie's conclusion: ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! It's exactly the Euro-style social-democracy he's been calling for here - while poor Alexandria (who lacks a functioning brain) would concur. America's socialists regularly vent their hatred upon billionaires, seemingly not realizing that those dictators running socialist dictatorships are, in fact, billionaires who have become wealthy by plundering the wealth of their own people!

I think it's AWESOME that President Trump has already recognized Venezuela’s National Assembly head Juan Guaidó as that nation's interim leader, along with the governments of Canada, Brazil, Peru, Colombia (and MOST Latin-American governments). Only the pro-socialist regimes of Cuba, Bolivia, & Mexico continue to back Maduro, along with Russia & China. It would seem that the pro-socialist liberals in this country apparently still admire Russia when it behaves like the old Soviet Union!

 

[JackLuis]

Kirkrapine writes: "AOC and Sanders want Euro-style social democracy"

Adolf Hitler's National-Socialism was a violent form of Europeanized-socialism that failed miserably, as was the Karl Marx-inspired socialism that oppressed much of eastern Europe for half-a-century under a string of brutal Communist dictatorships that were all overthrown in the early 1990's.

No, Hitler's thing was being manipulated by the economic Barron’s. Not many of his crimes were political, they were criminal evidence of his character. In short, an overly zealous psychopath. His socialism was a residue of the German development of social welfare by the Kaiser.
your welcome.

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis writes: "No, Hitler's thing was being manipulated by the economic Barron’s."

The word "Nazi" is short for "Nationalsozialistische," or (in English) National-Socialist. Hitler hated & distrusted capitalism, and NEVER allowed himself to be controlled by Germany's business leaders, anymore than he allowed himself to be manipulated by Germany's military leaders (who actually tried to assassinate him in July of 1944!)

"Not many of his crimes were political, they were criminal evidence of his character."

Neither Adolf Hitler nor Joseph Stalin cared a whit about the value of human life. They both had that in common. Stalin's brand of Marxist-Socialism murdered even more people than Hitler if you want to take the time to tally-up a body count. And another Marxist-Socialist, Mao Zedong, eclipsed them both in the category of mass-murder!

"In short, an overly zealous psychopath. His socialism was a residue of the German development of social welfare by the Kaiser."

Comparing Donald Trump and the Republican Party in ANY way to murderous/psychopathic socialist-dictators like Hitler, Stalin, & Mao is completely ABSURD. It's no more valid than is the title of this particular thread, that Republicans are somehow un-American. Be serious!

I understand that the modern Democratic Party has some serious "branding issues" regarding what it is that they want to represent today (traditional tax-&-spend liberalism, or all-out socialism), but childish-name-calling of the opposition is NOT the answer. Neither is wanting the scrap the U.S. Constitution as so many liberals seem to be currently demanding!

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

More and more, we are seeing that Republicans reject American values.

Donald Trump tells us that the United States Constitution is a “really bad thing” and expresses frustration that the Separation of Powers keeps him from acting like a dictator.

Shortly after the election of 2016, Trump attacked leaders from America’s Free Press and berated and bullied media big shots during an off-the-record Trump Tower meeting.

In America, the media has the freedom to investigate America’s political leaders and political candidates. They have the freedom to report on their findings. The United States Constitution specifically states that the freedom of the press shall not be abridged.

Donald Trump seems to think that he’s living in a dictatorship and that he can tell the television networks, newspapers and cable outlets what stories off-limits and what photos they are prohibited from publishing. He attacks news anchors and network chiefs for covering the “wrong” stories.

Trump has gone so far as to declare war on America’s Free Press and incite violence towards investigative reporters. And he has also taken an outraged and hostile attitude towards the First Amendment.

With an openly hostile attitude towards the Constitution of the United States, Trump has threatened to eliminate the First Amendment protections the Supreme Court has built into our nation’s libel laws – and has suggested that he will soon start revoking the FCC licenses of media outlets that he doesn’t like.

It would be bad enough if Trump was the only Republican who felt this way, however, nearly HALF of the Republicans in the United States want to give Donald Trump the power to shut down media outlets that he doesn’t like.

An Ipsos poll has found that nearly half (48 per cent) of self-identified Republicans agree "the news media is the enemy of the American people". Meanwhile, some believe Mr. Trump should be allowed to act against certain publications, with 43 per cent of Republicans saying, "the president should have the authority to close news outlets engaged in bad behavior".

Not long after this poll was completed, Trump came out and praised another Republican named Greg Gianforte. Gianforte assaulted a reporter during his campaign last May, throwing the reporter to the ground and then repeatedly punching him in the face and breaking his glasses. Gianforte tried to lie to the police about the incident, however, witnesses testified that Gianforte did indeed assault the reporter without provocation.

Trump think that assaulting reporters is GREAT and says, “any guy who can do a body slam ... he's my guy" and made a gesture mimicking a body slam.

Trump also called Gianforte, "One of the most respected people in Congress," and a "tough cookie."
So, the leader of the Republican Party goes to Montana and applauded the assault on an American journalist who works for the Guardian. To celebrate an attack on a journalist who was simply doing his job is an attack on the First Amendment by someone who has taken an oath to defend it. However, Republicans seem to be totally cool with Trump’s behavior.

In addition to being openly hostile towards America’s Free Press and the First Amendment Protections that are supposed to protect them government harassment, Republicans are also very hostile towards Constitutional protections that give all Americans Freedom of Religion and guarantees an immutable Separation of Church and State.

Public Policy Polling released a survey measuring Republican attitudes and opinions. A disturbingly large percentage of them (57 percent) said that Christianity should, in fact, be established as the United States’ national religion. Younger Republicans (in the 18 – 45 age group) were even more in favor of chucking the Constitutional Separation of Church and State (63 percent). And those Republicans who backed Mike Huckabee in the Republican primary were almost universal in the idea of making Christianity the official religion of the United States (94 percent).

Let me be clear, not only is it a direct violation of the Constitution of the United States to establish a state-sponsored religion, it is also an idea that always turns out horrible results. Anyone who doubts this need only google what it was like when Catholicism became the official religion of Slovakia in the 20th century, or what it’s like right now with Islam as the official religion of Saudi Arabia.

Theocracies are always dictatorships. One religious group gets all the power, and people who have the "wrong" religious beliefs are executed, oppressed or deported.

Theocratic rule goes against everything America stands for. However, theocratic rule is EXACTLY what millions of Republicans want.

And, even though the First Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the government from enacting legislation that would restrict citizens' rights to peaceably assemble, Republican legislators in five states are attempting to do just that.

Republicans have introduced legislation in North Dakota, Minnesota, Washington, Michigan, and Iowa, that would take away the Freedom to Peacefully Assemble from missions of our fellow Americans.

In North Dakota, Republicans introduced a bill that would allow motorists to run over and kill any protester obstructing a highway.

In Minnesota, Republican legislators want to pave the way for prosecutors to send highway protesters to jail for a full year.

Republicans in Washington state have proposed a plan to reclassify civil disobedience protests as a felony.

Republicans in Michigan have written up a bill that would make it easier for businesses to sue protesters.

In Iowa, a Republican lawmaker has pledged to introduce legislation to crack down on highway protests.

And let us not forget the blatant way that Donald Trump habitually violates the Emoluments Clause of the United States Constitution. The Emoluments Clauses was put in place by the framers of the Constitution to protect against corruption, however, Trump has treated the Emoluments Clause (and every other part of the U.S. Constitution) as mere suggestions that he can ignore any time he feels like it.

Trump has been using the Presidency to get money funneled into his privately-owned businesses. His hotels and other businesses have seen money pour in from the Saudis, the Chinese and other foreign nations, thus motivating Trump to show favoritism to nations like China and Saudi Arabia. This is the whole reason the Emoluments Clause exists in the first place, to keep the president loyal to the American People, and NOT to whichever foreign nation pays him the largest bribes!

Americans need to know that their president is acting in their interest and not in the interest of his private businesses. President Trump has refused again and again to separate himself from his business empire to avoid pervasive conflicts of interest and constitutional violations.

And as a result of Trump’s refusal to obey the Constitution and separate his business empire from the Office of the Presidency, we now have the president of the United States engaging in a murder cover-up, to protect the flow of Saudi cash flowing into his private businesses.

And yet Republican are totally okay with all of this.

Republicans seem to be rejecting EVERYTHING that is good about America! Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Assembly, Freedom of the Press, Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State all seem to be alien ideas to these people!

They seem to want to live in a Christian theocracy, where the government tells you what religious doctrines you’ll follow and what church you’ll attend and criticizing the government will get you thrown into jail.

Back in the eighteenth century America fought a war to GET AWAY from a government like that! Now, Republicans are pushing America back in that direction!

Republicans are un-American. It’s just that simple.

Republicans have made it obvious that they want to scrap the U.S. Constitution. They hate freedom of speech, they hate freedom of the press, they hate freedom of assembly, they hate separation of church and state, they hate free and fair elections and they hate equal justice under the law.

Those of us who are American patriots and embrace American values have a duty to stand up to the Republicans and to oppose them every step of the way as they try to turn America into some sort of right-wing, anti-American dictatorship!

 

[gunthernehmen]

Republicans have made it obvious that they want to scrap the U.S. Constitution. They hate freedom of speech, they hate freedom of the press, they hate freedom of assembly, they hate separation of church and state, they hate free and fair elections and they hate equal justice under the law.

Those of us who are American patriots and embrace American values have a duty to stand up to the Republicans and to oppose them every step of the way as they try to turn America into some sort of right-wing, anti-American dictatorship!

That makes no more sense here than in the one or more other threads you pasted that into. What propaganda site did you copy it from?

 

[Kirkrapine]

I think it's AWESOME that President Trump has already recognized Venezuela’s National Assembly head Juan Guaidó as that nation's interim leader, along with the governments of Canada, Brazil, Peru, Colombia (and MOST Latin-American governments). Only the pro-socialist regimes of Cuba, Bolivia, & Mexico continue to back Maduro, along with Russia & China. It would seem that the pro-socialist liberals in this country apparently still admire Russia when it behaves like the old Soviet Union!

Actually, Mexico is keeping neutral as between Guaido and Maduro, and offering to mediate.

 

[Kirkrapine]

That makes no more sense here than in the one or more other threads you pasted that into. What propaganda site did you copy it from?

You might contradict it, but you cannot deny it makes sense.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Comparing Donald Trump and the Republican Party in ANY way to murderous/psychopathic socialist-dictators like Hitler, Stalin, & Mao is completely ABSURD. It's no more valid than is the title of this particular thread, that Republicans are somehow un-American. Be serious!

Trump is fascist-populist in style. He lacks the imagination to be an actual fascist, and the ideology is beyond his comprehension.

 

[gunthernehmen]

You might contradict it, but you cannot deny it makes sense.

Suit yourself, though I could make a case it makes no sense grammatically.

The communist, sorry "Democratic" party is the end of the spectrum that has been systematically destroying our Constitution and it's protections.

 

[Dumpington]

Kirkrapine writes: "Actually, Mexico is keeping neutral as between Guaido and Maduro, and offering to mediate."

Mexico's new socialist president is one of the very few leaders in the western hemisphere to attend Maduro's inauguration following his widely-viewed corrupt re-election. Even liberal socialists here in the United States know that there is something very wrong going on right now in Venezuela, which explains why you never hear Bernie Sanders talking about the immense suffering underway in that once-prosperous nation!

"Trump is fascist-populist in style. He lacks the imagination to be an actual fascist, and the ideology is beyond his comprehension."

Donald Trump is no more a fascist than was Barack Obama. Hillary supporters who dislike our U.S. Constitution simply began using that word to express their displeasure with his election to the presidency. Trump has done NOTHING even remotely fascist. Now, what the Senate Democrats attempted to do to Brett Kavanaugh last summer was clearly fascist in nature, trying to destroy the man's character to deny him a seat on the U.S. Supreme Court. Fortunately, they failed.

 

[Kirkrapine]

Venezuela's Maduro rejects EU ultimatum on fresh elections but is open to dialogue with Donald Trump.

Everyone knows it's not too hard to change Donald's stance, once he has made up his mind.
I know, that looks like a contradiction, but in this case it makes sense...

What good will that do? This constitutional crisis will not end until Maduro's stance changes.

 

[Jesus_Ateo]

Trump could have taken a stand for America's veterans...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's workers...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's teachers...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's scientists...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's NATO allies...but he didn't.

However, Trump DOES seem to be willing to take a stand for America's hate groups!!!

 

[My I]

Trump could have taken a stand for America's veterans...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's workers...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's teachers...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's scientists...but he didn't.

Trump could have taken a stand for America's NATO allies...but he didn't.

However, Trump DOES seem to be willing to take a stand for America's hate groups!!!

So he sided WITH you?

 

[Jesus_Ateo]

The Democrats want to invest money in green jobs, lower our carbon footprint, protect millions of Americans from Global Climate Change, make college more affordable, make healthcare more affordable, reduce poverty, raise the minimum wage, end predatory lending practices, stop terrorists, violent criminals and the mentally ill from buying weapons of mass murder, keep coal companies from dumping toxic waste in our drinking water and stop investment firms from ripping off their customers.

The Republicans want to discredit scientists, and pretend that Global Climate Change isn't happening. They're out there screaming that Global Warming is a hoax and that the planet is actually getting colder. They want to kill green jobs and give more tax breaks and subsidies to the oil companies. They want the coal companies to be able to dump toxic waste in your drinking water. They want college loans and tuition to be so expensive that only the children of the very rich can afford to get a higher education. They want to strip healthcare coverage from millions of Americans. They want to crush labor unions, get rid of the minimum wage, cut wages, get rid of safety regulations in the workplace and basically destroy the Middle Class. They're basically whores for the NRA, and if the NRA writes legislation that makes it legal for your next door neighbor to own an anti-aircraft rocket launcher, the Republicans will introduce and vote for that legislation. They'll call it "2nd Amendment Freedoms" instead of a really horrible idea that will got large numbers of innocent Americans killed. They're also whores for the banks, the insurance industry, the Wall Street investment firms and the Oil industry.

So, don't ever tell me that both parties are exactly the same. They're about as similar as the Allies and the Axis powers.

 

[gunthernehmen]

The Democrats want to invest money in green jobs, lower our carbon footprint, protect millions of Americans from Global Climate Change, make college more affordable, make healthcare more affordable, reduce poverty, raise the minimum wage, end predatory lending practices, stop terrorists, violent criminals and the mentally ill from buying weapons of mass murder, keep coal companies from dumping toxic waste in our drinking water and stop investment firms from ripping off their customers.

The Republicans want to discredit scientists, and pretend that Global Climate Change isn't happening. They're out there screaming that Global Warming is a hoax and that the planet is actually getting colder. They want to kill green jobs and give more tax breaks and subsidies to the oil companies. They want the coal companies to be able to dump toxic waste in your drinking water. They want college loans and tuition to be so expensive that only the children of the very rich can afford to get a higher education. They want to strip healthcare coverage from millions of Americans. They want to crush labor unions, get rid of the minimum wage, cut wages, get rid of safety regulations in the workplace and basically destroy the Middle Class. They're basically whores for the NRA, and if the NRA writes legislation that makes it legal for your next door neighbor to own an anti-aircraft rocket launcher, the Republicans will introduce and vote for that legislation. They'll call it "2nd Amendment Freedoms" instead of a really horrible idea that will got large numbers of innocent Americans killed. They're also whores for the banks, the insurance industry, the Wall Street investment firms and the Oil industry.

So, don't ever tell me that both parties are exactly the same. They're about as similar as the Allies and the Axis powers.

Both of those descriptions are so wildly exaggerated that it is impossible to believe that YOU believe either one.

The two parties are virtually identical, point for point.

The difference is, the Republicans are "slightly" less corrupt than the Democrats in implementing policy.

 

[gunthernehmen]

This is coming from your Republican President. Do you seriously think the use of 'wildly exaggerated' is appropriate in that context?

He's poking fun at idiots. I made a similar wisecrack in the last cold snap, wishing for a some global warming. Only since I'm not the President (so far as YOU know) nobody paid any attention.

 

[gunthernehmen]

The 'idiots' being the scientists who ambiguously point out at global warming? Who is the idiot; the mother warning the child the radiator is hot, or the child still sticking out its hand and burning it?

No, there is no debate whether climate chance is true or not; not within the scientific community. There is only a debate whether the consequences will be bad or very bad, and if there is still a possibility to reduce the effects.

There IS a global warming thread here somewhere...

Climate changes. With or without us. The world is definitely getting warmer. Or colder. And it will do so no matter what we do. The impact of mankind on that process, if it exists at all, can only be changed by killing off 99.99% of the human race.

If you went to work today using anything other than your feet and while there you work with anything other than sticks and stones while sitting naked in the forest, then you are part of the problem.

And there is NOTHING close to agreement on the causes or "degree" of climate change in any community, scientific or not.

 

[KeithD]

Climate changes. With or without us.

Yes, but it changes more, faster, more detrimently because of "us," you fucking idiot.

 

[dan_c00000]

Adolf Hitler's

That didn't take long.

The only pro-Hitler people I see are Trump bros like Richard Spencer.

If you need a basic history of Communism and socialism send me a PM. I can recommend a few good books.

Also, learn to use the quote function.

 

[KeithD]

Right, I whispered Dump would learn to use the quote feature correctly. He posts seeming quotes of me left and right that are actually the alt-right drivel he's posted.

 

[gunthernehmen]

And that's where the two parties differ. And that's where your statement "The two parties are virtually identical, point for point." goes wrong.

And it makes you look like fool, to question whether there exists an impact of mankind. Do you honestly believe those scientists all have it wrong and you know better?

Actually, I go to work by bike, and I'm working on getting better insight in what's happening and what we can do; it's my job.

That bike. Was is mined in your community and forged into steel by a neighbor using charcoal? Are the tires made of leather you hunted with a bow and arrow? The oil on the chain. Is that rendered from pigs, that are fed with table scraps from your kitchen?

No?

Then you're contributing to the issue.

Since even YOU are not willing to do what it takes to end our contribution, then why should anyone else?

 

[gunthernehmen]

Yes, but it changes more, faster, more detrimently because of "us," you fucking idiot.

So first, I called nobody names. Possibly that JSADB dolt, but I think you can empathize with that. Certainly you have no call to use that language to me over a disagreement.

Secondly, I'm almost certain I've seen you call people out on their typos, so go spell check your post. I could be wrong. Maybe it was Phro.

Thirdly, I don't CARE why the climate is changing. I disagree with the root causes your side is promoting and also the degree that it is happening. Even if I DID agree with you, even if the entire United States from coast to coast immediately ceased to use any sort of energy whatsoever, it would not make the slightest difference because the VAST percentage of the contribution to the change is coming from places that will not change their ways and you/we have no control whatsoever over.

So bluntly, why the FUCK should I give up my HVAC and my comfortable car to please you? It would make no difference at all.

 

[KeithD]

So first, I called nobody names.

Buzz off, Bozo. I read no further than this and I have you on ignore and only see your posts when I'm reading without clicking in. I have no interest in your crazy politics or in your trying to get me to respond to you. You're total trash in my book.

Incidentally, have you found a citation where I either support entirely open borders or illegal immigration yet? Until you do, shut the fuck up about it.