Roy Moore

[Hypoxia]

Wikipedia: Grooming

The verb to groom may refer to:
* Child grooming, befriending a child, in the negative context of preparing them to accept abusive behavior
* Abusive power and control, grooming in any context using manipulative tactics to facilitate compliance of an abusive purpose.

You omitted this part: Abusive power and control, grooming in any context using manipulative tactics to facilitate compliance of an abusive purpose.

Excuse me? What was the second sentence in the Wiki definition I posted and didn't omit? You give reason to doubt the reliability of your senses. The words were right in front of your face. If you read the Wiki article, you'd see the second sentence is subordinate to the first. Thus, 'grooming' is primarily to prepare a child for abuse, and generally to prepare anyone for abuse.

Let's look at the Urban Dictionary:

Grooming
The act of luring another with gifts, favors, promises, praise, or bbq ribs with the intent of gaining sexual favors. The perpetrator of "grooming" must have a significant advantage of emotional intelligence, financial independence, intelligence quotient or simply perpetrating against a minor.

Did Moore offer any girls BBQ ribs? Hang him!

 

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[Aglaopheme]

Can you imagine the ass ripping frenzy these assholes would be in if they knew the age of consent in Alabama up until 1880 was 10?

Is that something you are entirely comfortable with? Do you feel it is okay for a 5th grader to "consent"? I'm not sure how it relates to this thread, but I do find it disturbing. As disturbing as other things that were deemed legal, as well as illegal in Victorian times.

 

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[Hypoxia]

Can you imagine the ass ripping frenzy these assholes would be in if they knew the age of consent in Alabama up until 1880 was 10?

Is that something you are entirely comfortable with? Do you feel it is okay for a 5th grader to "consent"? I'm not sure how it relates to this thread, but I do find it disturbing. As disturbing as other things that were deemed legal, as well as illegal in Victorian times.

Up until the Victorian middle-class, children were often treated as "small adults" with commensurate work and responsibilities. They still are in much of the non-industrialized world. Girls are still married-off young in many places Westerners consider 'uncivilized'. It's often a matter of group survival -- they haven't the luxury of extended childhoods.

Alabama (sounds like an Arabic word!) was uncivilized in 1880 and still rates near the bottom of third-world nations in terms of free and fair elections. The old definition of an Alabama virgin is a 12-year-old who's outrun all her male kin. What's the cut-off age now?

Can pre-industrial rules work in a post-industrial age? How about stone-age rules? Those hundreds of commandments in the Pentateuch (first five biblical books) date before Hebrews forged metal. That's the primitive shit Moore and his backers want as the national legal code. Will forced conversions return?

 

[MagnusRichard]

Typical attempt to distract/deflect. Moore said he didn't know her. He doesn't dispute now that he wrote the note in the yearbook of a sixteen-year-old girl when he was in this thirties. Here you are trying to distract/deflect for the essential point. Apparently you share values with him.

So what? Rural people pick teenage wives, always have.

 

[Hypoxia]

So what? Rural people pick teenage wives, always have.

Like I said:

Up until the Victorian middle-class, children were often treated as "small adults" with commensurate work and responsibilities. They still are in much of the non-industrialized world. Girls are still married-off young in many places Westerners consider 'uncivilized'. It's often a matter of group survival -- they haven't the luxury of extended childhoods.

Keep-em barefoot and pregnant. Let-em handle the house and kids while man attend to serious business of sustenance, trade, and politics.

Meanwhile, rural folk (discounting telecommuting urban expats) are an ever-dwindling portion of USA population. Do their mores rule the rest of the nation?

 

[MagnusRichard]

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I think there is more to get excited about than trying to tell people in love they can't be together.

 

[WoundedKnee]

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I think there is more to get excited about than trying to tell people in love they can't be together.

That's what Kirk Douglass says.

 

[MagnusRichard]

Unlike most countries, the USA has no minimum age for Marriage.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Unlike most countries, the USA has no minimum age for Marriage.

Preparing for submission to Islam.

 

[richard_daily]

Excuse me? What was the second sentence in the Wiki definition I posted and didn't omit? You give reason to doubt the reliability of your senses. The words were right in front of your face. If you read the Wiki article, you'd see the second sentence is subordinate to the first. Thus, 'grooming' is primarily to prepare a child for abuse, and generally to prepare anyone for abuse.

Let's look at the Urban Dictionary: Did Moore offer any girls BBQ ribs? Hang him!

He knows what it means. He's not that stupid.



Actually, maybe he is.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It looks like Moore is going to be elected.

Agreed. And that will make the Rapepublican abdication of the moral high ground complete.

Yee Haw Roy Moore! We Gotcher Back!​

 

[Rightguide]

Is that something you are entirely comfortable with? Do you feel it is okay for a 5th grader to "consent"? I'm not sure how it relates to this thread, but I do find it disturbing. As disturbing as other things that were deemed legal, as well as illegal in Victorian times.

Not in the least. I can't imagine how the age of consent in any state could have been 10 years. The lesson here is regardless of whether it's 10 years or 16 years (16 is too young as far as I'm concerned) you have to view each in the context of the era in which it was enacted. Alabama changed its law to 16 years in the 30s of the last Century. Maybe the answer lies in life expectancy. In the 19th Century life expectancy for males was 40 years, and 42 years for females. Maybe today, now that life expectancy is much higher, Alabama should change the age of consent again. Maybe up to 18 or more.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Not in the least. I can't imagine how the age of consent in any state could have been 10 years. The lesson here is regardless of whether it's 10 years or 16 years (16 is too young as far as I'm concerned) you have to view each in the context of the era in which it was enacted. Alabama changed its law to 16 years in the 30s of the last Century. Maybe the answer lies in life expectancy. In the 19th Century life expectancy for males was 40 years, and 42 years for females. Maybe today, now that life expectancy is much higher, Alabama should change the age of consent again. Maybe up to 18 or more.

I understand all of that and what hypoxia said as well. I'm sure life expectancy played into it. Thank goodness for FLSA and other laws designed to protect our children. Hiwever, none of that explains your comments.

 

[MagnusRichard]

I understand all of that and what hypoxia said as well. I'm sure life expectancy played into it. Thank goodness for FLSA and other laws designed to protect our children. Hiwever, none of that explains your comments.

Protect your children???

The USA has no minimum age for Marriage.

All other civilized countries have a minimum age.

 

[Aglaopheme]

Protect your children???

The USA has no minimum age for Marriage.

All other civilized countries have a minimum age.

We know you can not comprehend the meaning of consent, lace.

 

[Rightguide]

I understand all of that and what hypoxia said as well. I'm sure life expectancy played into it. Thank goodness for FLSA and other laws designed to protect our children. Hiwever, none of that explains your comments.

In other words, Roy Moore, the 16-year-old age of consent, the morality that created them, were all the product of an era when people gave less of a shit about this kind of thing than they do now. The fact that he's run five successful election campaigns in Alabama where according to Democrats "everyone knew" about Moore's girl chasing, is a testament to the Blaise attitudes about such in Alabama that took him to the highest pinnacles of public power there.

Now, along comes a different generation with a different sense of morality who examine this issue through a different lens than the one which created Roy Moore and the law in Alabama, and they are upset.

My point was, think about how shocked they'd be to see how things were 120 years ago looking through the same morality of today, and like today, failing to understand the context in which it came into existence.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Not in the least. I can't imagine how the age of consent in any state could have been 10 years. The lesson here is regardless of whether it's 10 years or 16 years (16 is too young as far as I'm concerned) you have to view each in the context of the era in which it was enacted. Alabama changed its law to 16 years in the 30s of the last Century. Maybe the answer lies in life expectancy. In the 19th Century life expectancy for males was 40 years, and 42 years for females. Maybe today, now that life expectancy is much higher, Alabama should change the age of consent again. Maybe up to 18 or more.

Technically true (which the best kind of true!) but let's have a bit of context. Early childhood death from diseases back in the 19th century, diseases that are now essentially extinct, played a large role in lessening life expectancy. Once you lived past 18, you could basically enjoy a long life. In the 20th century, many advances were made in the treatment of heart disease and the lessening of tobacco usage increased life expectancy even more.

 

[MagnusRichard]

We know you can not comprehend the meaning of consent, lace.

What is a "lace"? (Relevant???)

The United States does not have a minimum age for marriage, so how can you say the USA has many laws "protecting" young people?

Probabably a waste of time to discuss with you, yes? Married to a bouncer??? That explains this problem you have.

 

[Rightguide]

Technically true (which the best kind of true!) but let's have a bit of context. Early childhood death from diseases back in the 19th century, diseases that are now essentially extinct, played a large role in lessening life expectancy. Once you lived past 18, you could basically enjoy a long life. In the 20th century, many advances were made in the treatment of heart disease and the lessening of tobacco usage increased life expectancy even more.

I have to agree. I think industrialization and advances in science and medicine were the great vehicles for longer life expectancy which was really quite tenuous in the early 19th Century.

 

[Rightguide]

What is a "lace"? (Relevant???)

The United States does not have a minimum age for marriage, so how can you say the USA has many laws "protecting" young people?

Probabably a waste of time to discuss with you, yes? Married to a bouncer??? That explains this problem you have.

Who the hell is Lace?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Hypoxia View Post

Wikipedia: Grooming

The verb to groom may refer to:
* Child grooming, befriending a child, in the negative context of preparing them to accept abusive behavior
* Abusive power and control, grooming in any context using manipulative tactics to facilitate compliance of an abusive purpose.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

You omitted this part: Abusive power and control, grooming in any context using manipulative tactics to facilitate compliance of an abusive purpose.

Excuse me? What was the second sentence in the Wiki definition I posted and didn't omit? You give reason to doubt the reliability of your senses. The words were right in front of your face. If you read the Wiki article, you'd see the second sentence is subordinate to the first. Thus, 'grooming' is primarily to prepare a child for abuse, and generally to prepare anyone for abuse.

Let's look at the Urban Dictionary: Did Moore offer any girls BBQ ribs? Hang him!

Originally, you posted a link and quoted from it, but you omitted part of what was said. You added that on your next post, so we can now discuss this and know we are referring to the same thing.

I believe I see what the problem is. Like your heroes, Catharine Mackinnon and Andrea Dworkin, you equate mutual consensual sex with rape. I do not. As far as I am concerned, if two people of reasonable maturity and intelligence have mutually consensual sex, it is not rape and it is not usually abuse. 40 years ago in Alabama, people who had reached a certain age, which shall not be mentioned here, were normally considered to have that reasonable maturity and intelligence, even though they were legally minors.

Using the definition from the Urban Dictionary, most single American men are constantly grooming females of all ages. They take them out to dinner or to shows or dancing, buy them gifts, flatter them, and do whatever else they think will lure the females into having sex, even including giving them bbq ribs. Do you think this is a bad thing. There are some negatives in this; I believe in a much higher level of gender equality, but that is what we have. And, if American men were to cease doing this kind of thing, the population would dwindle to almost zero.

 

[richard_daily]

I understand all of that and what hypoxia said as well. I'm sure life expectancy played into it. Thank goodness for FLSA and other laws designed to protect our children. Hiwever, none of that explains your comments.

He claims he's not comfortable with it, but he said it with a big fat yellow toothed at the end.

That's speaks volumes.

 

[richard_daily]

Originally Posted by Hypoxia View Post

Wikipedia: Grooming

The verb to groom may refer to:
* Child grooming, befriending a child, in the negative context of preparing them to accept abusive behavior
* Abusive power and control, grooming in any context using manipulative tactics to facilitate compliance of an abusive purpose.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post

You omitted this part: Abusive power and control, grooming in any context using manipulative tactics to facilitate compliance of an abusive purpose.




Originally, you posted a link and quoted from it, but you omitted part of what was said. You added that on your next post, so we can now discuss this and know we are referring to the same thing.

I believe I see what the problem is. Like your heroes, Catharine Mackinnon and Andrea Dworkin, you equate mutual consensual sex with rape. I do not. As far as I am concerned, if two people of reasonable maturity and intelligence have mutually consensual sex, it is not rape and it is not usually abuse. 40 years ago in Alabama, people who had reached a certain age, which shall not be mentioned here, were normally considered to have that reasonable maturity and intelligence, even though they were legally minors.

Using the definition from the Urban Dictionary, most single American men are constantly grooming females of all ages. They take them out to dinner or to shows or dancing, buy them gifts, flatter them, and do whatever else they think will lure the females into having sex, even including giving them bbq ribs. Do you think this is a bad thing. There are some negatives in this; I believe in a much higher level of gender equality, but that is what we have. And, if American men were to cease doing this kind of thing, the population would dwindle to almost zero.

You're fucking gross.