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ChloeTzang said:
To most of these leftoids, Republicans are Nazi's and Trump is Actual Hitler. rotflmao.
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Yea it's laughable.
ChloeTzang said:
They don't seem to realize Trump is a left of center moderate. double rotflmao. And Gorka? Middle of the road. I love all this pantie-twisting.
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Well what else do you expect from people who think having a border is literally a genocide.....LOL

Politruk said:
You do not even live on any planet with a blue sky.
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Dude ....Trump is a less racist and more LGBTGQ+ friendly version of Bill Clinton. Anyone considering him "far right" are the lunatics who don't live on this planet.
 
Politruk said:
Everything that combines radical nationalism, populism and xenophobia, as in Orban's case, and Gorka's, is Nazi.
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No..having a border and controlling who/what comes into your nation is common sense....not Nazism.

That's not even close to Nazism. Which you clearly know nothing about.
 
UltraChad said:
No..having a border and controlling who/what comes into your nation is common sense....not Nazism.

That's not even close to Nazism. Which you clearly know nothing about.
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I know it's an essentially German thing, but I am using it here as a synonym for "fascist." Fascism is based on Palingenetic ultranationalistic populism.

Palingenetic means rebirth or regeneration, more specifically a cleansing such. Once the unwanted elements are washed away, eliminated, or destroyed the remaining old core will bring about a new dawn and reach their proper place.

Ultranationalistic means that the nation, its traditions, and the corresponding sense of unity is paramount. This means that it isn't really possible to import fascism to one country from another—each nation must have its own, and it will express itself in different ways.

Populism means appeal to the masses, usually by appeals to feelings, "common sense", revanchism, or disenfranchisement, and the assertion that the speaker is the true representative of the masses. Often the established elites are the target for this. However, populism in this regard carries a highly elitist core, since the masses are not expected to themselves influence the (self-appointed) leader; they are to follow.
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That shoe fits the Trump movement.
 
Politruk said:
I know it's an essentially German thing, but I am using it here as a synonym for "fascist." Fascism is based on Palingenetic ultranationalistic populism.


That shoe fits the Trump movement.
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Which is also wildly incorrect and verifies just how little you know about Nazism.

It's also is ignoring a lot of major factors most reputable references include with fascism.
including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism

No it doesn't Trump movement is not ultra-nationalistic nor is is fascistic or even authoritarian.

They might be nationalist and populist, but they are also liberals.....unlike Democrats. And that absolutely flies in the face of the lefts claims that anyone who supports any kind of border and immigration controls is LITERALLY A NAZI HOLOCAUST SUPPORTER!!! ORANGE HITLER!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Politruk said:
Talking about immigrants as poisoning the nation's blood is definitely all of those things.
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He never said that and even if he did, it's still not.

Being rude =/= authoritarianism...... upsetting open borders (D)ipshits who hate the USA =/= fascism.....you fucking retard. :D (y)(y)
 
Politruk said:
Trump did say the poisoning-the-blood thing in December 2023 and that is fascist talk.
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MSN lies right to your face and you just lap it up.

He said it about ILLEGALS committing crimes in the USA and he's 100% correct about that.

No, that's not fascist talk, you're just an idiot who wouldn't know fascism if a failed Austrian painter gave you a facial.

None of this make Gorka a Nazi.....or even a fascist.

Because having borders and immigration laws isn't fascism. Unless you're a (D)umb fuck, then you might confuse it for such.
 
UltraChad said:
Yes, they are, mostly through all their supporters who put violent criminals harming the US citizens over the US citizens.

Democrats hatred of the American people is very poisonous.
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Now you are talking like a fascist.
 
UltraChad said:
But the lies around the stats don't.
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There are no lies here:

"Illegal immigrants cause crime"[edit]​

  • Whilst a common cry of the anti-immigration brigade — "backed" by a font of endless anecdotal "evidence" — the facts don't support this. According to FBI statistics in Arizona in 2008, despite the increased presence of illegal immigrants, crime rates have actually dropped, while the population has increased.[28] Only 8% of the prison population are immigrants, which also includes legal immigrants as well.[29]
  • Furthermore, El Paso, Tex., and San Diego, Calif., cities that border Mexico and have a significant population of undocumented immigrants, have the lowest crime rates in the U.S.[30]
  • "...between 1990 and 2013, as the foreign-born share of the United States population nearly doubled and the number of unauthorized immigrants more than tripled, violent crime declined 48 percent and property crime fell 41 percent."[31]
  • Illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes against US citizens than other US citizens are.[32][note 2]
  • If you mean crime against illegal immigrants (which happens), that is "caused" by them only in the sense that it would be impossible if they didn't exist.
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Politruk said:
Yes, it is a lie to say that illegal immigrants cause crime.
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No, it's not a lie...they cause crime literally by being here illegally PLUS the other crimes they commit.

We see them doing it, we catch them doing it, we know they do it.......leftist lying about it isn't working. :D
 
UltraChad said:
We see them doing it, we catch them doing it, we know they do it.......leftist lying about it isn't working. :D
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Of course they do -- but citizens do more crime, per capita, and that is a fact.

Crime as such is not something we should be treating as an important issue anyway -- crime rates are down nationwide.
 
UltraChad said:
I understand the left thinks everything to the right of Stalin is a Nazi...they are not.
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But, "Orbán is arguably fully fascist because he embraces several of the aspects of Robert Paxton's definition: obsession with community decline, humiliation, and victimhood, nationalism, collaboration with corporates and elites, and support for anti-democratic violence against dissidents and his opponents." That is Nazi.
 
Politruk said:
But, "Orbán is arguably fully fascist because he embraces several of the aspects of Robert Paxton's definition: obsession with community decline, humiliation, and victimhood, nationalism, collaboration with corporates and elites, and support for anti-democratic violence against dissidents and his opponents." That is Nazi.
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See you just can't get past the liberal part.....neoliberals aren't Nazis.

Democracy not going your way isn't fascism.

You got REJECTED.....maybe suck less and see how things go in 28.
 
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