Should I choose to choose?

fsumusic1981

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This is a long post. I may have divided it into two or more parts to fit it all. I appreciate your reading it and offering advice if you choose to.

A slightly older woman who used to be a manager of mine (she's 25, I'm 22) has the hots for me.

It all started about 3 years ago, back in the year 2001. She was my manager and I was a good looking 19 year old that she had a crush on. I always knew she liked me, but while we were working there, I was in a casual relationship (looking to just play the field) and she was my manager. Besides that, she was very religious (a Southern Baptist, a fundamentalist) and I assumed that she wouldn't be in to fooling around. To make a long story short, nothing came of it.

We worked together until May of 2001, and she left to pursue other work. We stayed in touch via email. Periodically, I would drop by her house to say "Hi." We'd have long talks and watch movies together. Strictly friends. Despite my thinking she was sorta sexy, I didn't want anything else to develop beyond a friendship.

In August of 2001, I moved 6 hours away to attend a different college. We kept in touch via email. In December of 2001, after I saw her over Christmas break, she sent me an email, professing her feelings for me. I knew she felt that way, but I was in a relationship. I gently rebuffed her and we decided we could continue staying friends. We continued corresponding via email.

Over the next year, we emailed regularly and I saw her every few months. I started developing feelings for her despite my being in a relationship. I always kept my pants on and my lips to myself when I saw her, despite growing urges to the contrary. I had intended to email her throughout 2002, telling her of my feelings and my situation. I felt for her strongly and wanted her sexually, but was in a relationship and did not want to leave my girlfriend. I never sent her that email, figuring it was best for all involved to just continue our friendship with my feelings kept to myself.

In early January of 2003, I spilled the beans. I could not keep it inside of me anymore and I wrote her an email. I was confused, I told her this. I wanted her badly but did not want to leave my current partner.

Over the next few months, our friendship changed. At first she was confused by the email, mostly because it came right out of the blue and she wasn't expecting it. She had never had a boyfriend or even kisseed a guy. She wasn't sure what she wanted. Gradually, she decided that she was okay with the fact that I had a girlfriend and our conversations online became more and more directed towards sex.

After a few weeks of this, she would switch "off" and decide she couldn't not be with me. So our conversations would cease. A few days or weeks later, she would send me a photo of herself, invariably with her breasts pushed up in a costume (she acts in plays), or striking a sexy pose with her mouth. We would begin talking again.

When May came around, we were just being friendly, the passion had taken one of its cyclical dips. I was on vacation, and I stopped into see family in my old hometown and we got together. She was being suggestive the whole night. I was fighting the urges. As I was ready to leave, I told her I wanted to kiss her goodnight. She told me that it wasn't a good idea and I left. Nothing happened. I was across the country for the next week and I couldn't get her out of my mind. I emailed her a poem telling her how much she turned me on, how badly I wanted her, what her innuendo was telling me that night, etc.

She emails me back and says "When will you be coming back through town?" I told her the days. She wrote back and said to call her.

Call her I did. We got together and had a great time. We kissed for hours and she performed oral sex on me. She did not want me to perform it back on her (she later regretted this immensely.) For her first time, it was amazing, I'd have to say about the best blowjob I have ever had, even from experienced women. I felt a deep connection with her that night. I also cheated on my girlfriend.

Over the next few months, we continued talking online, in the normal cycle of friendship-sexual-friendship-sexual. She found a boyfriend in July and we ceased communication at her request. Around Halloween, when they broke up, she emailed me telling me. I wrote her back, 100% as a friend, offering my advice and condolences. She started sending me pictures of her breasts pushed up in a midevil maiden costume, with her lips full and pouty and a lusty look in her eyes. We started talking again. Then she found another boyfriend and we stopped talking. When he found out she intended to remain a virgin until marraige, he dumped her. She emailed me again. We started talking again.

So.... now that you know the situation. We talked the other day and she sent me a picture of her extremely large and beautiful bared breasts. Then she asks me if I am getting hard, and tells me what she would like to do to me. She does not seem to mind that I am in a relationship.

I love my girlfriend very much, but our sex life has gotten tame and predictable; my girlfriend is not a very sexual person and I have, honestly, become bored with missionary position sex, with the occasional doggystyle thrown in. She never volunteers to pleasure me orally, despite our repeated discussions where I tell her a "spontaneous blowjob" would be a great thing to get every now and then. Asking for blowjobs gets old when I have to do it 100% of the time. I have talked with her at length about how our lack of sex and her lack of passion sometimes leaves me feeling isolated, unwanted, undesirable, and empty. This other woman offers the promise of passionate, albeit occasional, encounters. She makes me feel desirable and I enjoy her company very much.

I am unsure how to proceed in my situation. I do not want to leave my current girlfriend. I would like things to improve. To all those who might accuse me of not communicating my feelings to my girlfriend, I have communicated them loud and clear. Things have improved after these talks, but only slightly and most of the change is transient. I now find myself considering cheating on my girlfriend again with this other woman.

I would like some advice so that I may find my way in this confusion.

Any input at all is appreciated. With all due respect to those who may feel a certain way, I would not like your responses to consist of people calling me a dirtbag or an asshold because I have cheated. I know this. I would like input to help me make choices, not to be called names to make me feel bad and keep me in the same situation.

I thank you all in advance for taking the time to read this and reply. I truly appreciate it.

-Peace
 
If you ask me? Be fair. Choose.

From what you've told us so far, it seems to me that your ex-manager is simply using you.

You've probably read some of it, but look into two threads sheath started.

What the HELL is up.....
and
Resources on Emotional Abuse (trust me on this one)

What this woman is doing is forcing EVERYONE to play on her twisted chessboard. And she is trying to control all the pieces whether or not they know they're being controlled.

Just my opinion. And my three.
Ang
 
Could your relationship with your current girlfriend be *boring and predictable* because of your ex manager? It sounds like the ex manager is exploring her sexuality through you. It also sounds that the reason why she picked you is perhaps she feels that you are *safe*.

CelticFrog is right. Make a choice. Don't do this to yourself or the people you care about. It seems to me that you care about both women and you want to do the right thing. It's not fair that you want to keep your current relationship and still see the other girl on the side. Consider your actions if it was reversed. You wouldn't appreciate this being done to you.

Your current girlfriend could feel that things are slipping and perhaps this is the reason why she refuses to give you a *spontaneous blowjob*. She probably feels disconnected from you and hence, your sex life mirrors the quality of your relationship. I know that when I feel emotionally connected to my partner, continuous requests for oral sex are not needed. I want to please him and make him happy without him asking for it.

I realize that you're not doing this on purpose. But you're hurting both of them regardless. Either choice you make will not be easy, but for your sake, make it nonetheless.

Good luck.
 
Personally I think you already know what your decision should be. This "ex-manager" of yours sounds like she's using you for her own purposes. From my own personal experience once you mentioned Southern Baptist AND Fundamentalist, red flags started popping up all over your post.

I am fundamentally opposed to the concept of someone saving their virginity until after they are married. Its a stupid idea and way too late to do anything about it if you've already said "I do" only to discover your partner saying "I don't!". But thats another thread all by itself.

As I see it, you have a girlfriend with whom the sex has gotten "stale". It happens to everyone, you cannot manage to keep the initial passion around all your lives, the human body simply won't allow it. That initial burst of lust we feel for someone is based on the release of neurochemicals in the brain and the brain cannot sustain that condition for long.

It sounds like you've got good communications with her, although I suspect the transient nature of may be because one or both of you are waiting until things become intolerable before bringing it up. Again, thats another best saved for another thread.

My advice to you would be break it off with the ex-manager, delete all her emails, block her addresses etc. Turn to your girlfriend give her a hug.

You cannot maintain a good relationship with honesty, and we all know from your post that you're not being honest with your girlfriend, or with yourself. That doesn't mean I think you should tell her, I don't think you should. The only purpose that would serve is to hurt her.

So make your choice if you insist, but honestly I think you would be crazy to drop the woman you love for someone that seems to be merely using you.
 
I'm going to play the devil's advocate just a wee bit here.

Judging from the way you have described both of your relationships, I doubt if either one would be a good long-term choice for you.

Others have pointed out that your former manager is using you to explore her sexuality and to flex her manipulator muscles. They are right. Avoid her like poison.

But your current girlfriend is not a good match for you either. I could parse your posts about her line by line to show you little hints but it's not worth the time or effort. Just ask yourself if you could live a lifetime of your worst days with her.

Because that is what you are likely to get.

I'm not being cynical. It sounds like the two of you are not a good match sexually and if you were a good match spiritually (in your core, not in terms of religious beliefs) then chances are you would have had no emptiness to be filled by continued longing for your former manager.

Read yourself, see the fine print, and see where it says, "I have too many doubts here to make for a good foundation."
 
Since i took the time to read that monster post, i figured that i should respond:)

I agree with Midwest Yankee. Get rid of both of these women. Ex-manager sounds like a total hypocrit to me. Anyone who goes around telling people she's a Christian and wants to remain pure until marriage and then goes around giving blow jobs to other people's boyfriends is NOT what she says she is. I'm not saying that virgins and Christians can't be sexual in any way, but that kind of behavior is wrong no matter what your religious beliefs or virginity-status. And yes, she feels she has a certain power over you...this is where all that teasing over email comes in. As soon as she's single, she turns to you to get you all hot and bothered b/c she doesn't have to face any real consequences of what she's doing (at least not in the immediate sense).

As far as you're girlfriend goes, do ALL of the women in the world a favor and break up with her before you "spontaneously" cheat on her. GROW UP! Stop being such a big fucking baby. You say you've been honest with her, but you haven't. You haven't told her that you're looking to cheat on her, have you????? Didn't think so, b/c she'd (hopefully) be out the door. And you can't have that, can you? You just want to do the passive-aggressive thing and not face up to your problems. Sorry if i'm being harsh, but i think you need to hear it for your gf's sake. And as an aside, if she wanted to give you blow jobs, you wouldn't have to ask all the time.
 
If your sex life sucks now.....wouldn't it suck more more with woman that is waiting until marriage to have sex.

Wait....I just answered my own quistion, of course it would suck more because that is all that would be going on.

But seriously, you complained of only having "missionary sex" and I would assume that if she is a virgin and waiting you wouldn't even be getting that.
 
Hmmm...a few thoughts.

I am in agreement with MWY, as usual. And dollface. Get rid of these women. Dump the ex-manager like a drop-kicked hot potato. The other one, be gentle and loving, but let her go. It's the best thing all around.

I want to point out something. I'm going to call her 'manager', for the sake of making this easy cause I'm lazy today. Manager has been in and out of relationships. Okay. Ever wonder why she can't hold those relationships? Food for thought.

And secondly...she keeps coming to you when things go wrong. Sounds to me like you are a toy, a crutch, a fall-back plan...you get the idea. And to put it bluntly? Being with a woman who treats you that way is cheapening yourself. So keep your integrity intact and send her on to her next victim.

So far as the girlfriend goes...let her go. You cheated on her once. You are considering it again. If she finds out, a part of her will die. Trust me...letting her go now will save you both from heartache. You will hopefully find a woman who you won't cheat on, and she will find a woman who has eyes, thoughts, and heart only for her.

Good luck,
S.
 
Oh my, here I go again disagreeing with the regulars here...

So, many people have said that manager lady is manipulative, I disagree. She confessed her feelings to him a long time ago, that she really cared for him- not just in a sexual way. He said it's not going to work, becasue he is COMMITTED to someone else. But then developed sexual feelings for her.... emotional too? I dunno. Anyway, the point is that when you care for them and you want them to be yours you will use sexuality. That's not outright manipulation- it's human nature. Of course she wants attention from him, she still likes him! It's expected for her to feel guilty and be sporadic, seemingly like she's using him, because he's not making it possible for them to be together by staying with the other woman. That's how I would feel- "I like him so much... but no we can't be together.. but I like him so much, etc." Unfortunately, neither of them are/were strong enough to let the other go completely.

Lik the others have said, make a choice.

If you choose the manager lady, I wish you the best.

If you choose your girlfriend, cut all ties to the other woman. Then work on your current relationship. She deserves it, man. If you treat her like she is worthy of all your devotion, then those sexual problems probably won't stay problems much longer.



:rose:
 
NaiveOne said:
Oh my, here I go again disagreeing with the regulars here...



:rose:

NaiveOne, you always have wonderful things to say. I like your fresh look on things. Though I do stand by my original advice, I gotta admit...your post made me reconsider my own pretty damn hard. That is always a good thing. :)

S.
 
NaiveOne said:
Oh my, here I go again disagreeing with the regulars here...

So, many people have said that manager lady is manipulative, I disagree. She confessed her feelings to him a long time ago, that she really cared for him- not just in a sexual way. He said it's not going to work, becasue he is COMMITTED to someone else. But then developed sexual feelings for her.... emotional too? I dunno. Anyway, the point is that when you care for them and you want them to be yours you will use sexuality. That's not outright manipulation- it's human nature.

Call it manipulation or human nature, I think the bottom line is that neither ex-manager or FSU have conducted themselves with maturity or integrity.
 
dollface007 said:
Call it manipulation or human nature, I think the bottom line is that neither ex-manager or FSU have conducted themselves with maturity or integrity.

I agree completely.

Hopefully all those involved can learn from this expereince.
 
Okay, that is one thing I forgot to say last night, in my Nyquil-riddled stupor...

I agree with MWY, dollface, sheath....
Neither of these women are for you.

You are willingly and overtly considering cheating. That worries me, simply because you are looking at that as an option to have the 'best of both worlds' so to speak. I know that you are having your own dilemma about this in your brain, so I will ask one question and be done with it.

Why is cheating an option to you in the first place?

If you're not happy right now with BOTH of these women, I doubt you'd be happy with one or the other. Find someone you can connect with on all levels and find yourself satisfied with.

My three
Ang
 
Soooo!

I was just wondering what this guy thinks of what everyone else thinks....


Are you there fsumusic1981???



Helllooooooo....

Yoohoooooo.....
 
NaiveOne said:
Soooo!

I was just wondering what this guy thinks of what everyone else thinks....


Are you there fsumusic1981???



Helllooooooo....

Yoohoooooo.....

That's what I'm wondering.

Oh, by the way: 102 posts. Get thee an avatar, young lady. :)

S.
 
CelticFrog said:
Okay, that is one thing I forgot to say last night, in my Nyquil-riddled stupor...

I agree with MWY, dollface, sheath....
Neither of these women are for you.

If you're not happy right now with BOTH of these women, I doubt you'd be happy with one or the other. Find someone you can connect with on all levels and find yourself satisfied with.

My three
Ang

One simple point: this is sometimes nigh unto impossible.
 
sheath said:
That's what I'm wondering.

Oh, by the way: 102 posts. Get thee an avatar, young lady. :)

S.


Yes! I'm working on it!

So many positions, so little space ;)
 
Yes, I am here....

I appreciate everyone who took some time to read my post and respond. I would have gotten back sooner except that I don't always have the time I would like to reply. And, I am taking the advice all of you gave me very seriously and have been thinking about what to do.

I've decided to stop talking to my ex-manager. I had never, NOT ONCE, considered she was using me. I don't know why I didn't see it, I just figured she was looking to have a little something going on with me. But now that I think about it, I think you all may have been right.

As for my girlfriend. I am just going to let this slip away and try to make things right with her. When I consider how well we get along, I know I am a lucky guy. There might be some sexual problems, but I think I may expect too much of her sexually. She may not be a very sexual person. My libido is higher than hers. I don't always remember these things.

As for the "spontaneous blowjobs," it has never happened. She's always said she doesn't think of doing that. She says that if I started going down on her without her asking, she'd feel violated. She says it's tough for her to understand that I feel completely opposite. She says she is also afraid that I will not be in the mood, and she said she'd feel rejected if I told her this when she made a move on me... I don't keep these things in mind. I think I expect her to have the libido of a pornstar, which is unrealistic.

But again, I appreciate all of your advice. It was all thoughtful and helpful. I can only hope that the advice I give is helpful to people as well....

-Peace
 
Quite frankly? I think all three of you have problems.

I don't place any blame on your ex-manager at all. She admitted her feelings for you. You state here you did not feel the same way. You continued to stay in contact with her. Let a real older woman (43 years) tell ya something: women can become much more emotionally involved with a man than men think. If we are told that a man is not interested in us in a certain way, yet continues to maintain contact, guess what? We think there is hope he might change his mind. In this, my very young friend, you lead her on. Giving into to her for a blowjob only exacerbated this. She manipulate you? I hardly think so. I have a sneaking suspicision that you have been keeping in touch with her to feed your own ego. Shame on you!

How do you rectify this? Apologize to her for leading her on for over 2 years. Tell her firmly that you do not wish to have a relationship with her of any sort and never really did. Then aplogize again for being an ass. (Yes, that's what you have been, plain and simple) Let her know that you sincerely (if you do) hope that she finds a man who is deserving of her and who can give her the relationship she desires - but it isn't you. If she attempts contact you, do not respond. Let her go.

(As an aside: if a woman wishes to hold onto her virginity until marriage, this is not necessarily an evil thing. Many women, unlike men, consider the giving up of their virginity to be a very special thing. No woman should be judged badly for making this decision. After all, it wasn't that long ago that a woman who wasn't a virgin was considered unsuitable as a marriage partner. Also, let us keep in mind that there might be young women who wish to maintain their viriginity until marriage reading these boards. The message in this thread seems to be that their beliefs are somehow not right.)

Second, I would also leave your current girlfriend. I'm seeing so many mixed messages here I'm not sure what to believe. She's not sexual enough. I want her to be more sexual. I love her. I cheated on her. I want variety. I'll be happy forever with whatever she gives me. Dang, my head is spinning!

You are admitting your sex drive is higher than your girlfriend's. Okay. You state you must keep reminding yourself of this. Dude, if you need to keep reminding yourself that your girlfriend has a lower libido NOW, this is going to spell trouble should this relationship continue. Cuz guess what? The next time you "forget" and that cute little something winks at you, you'll be off to the races getting another spontaneous blowjob. After all, once you cheat the first time and don't face it, it's easier the second time. By the third time, you'll be an old hand at it.

Granted, perhaps your girlfriend maybe suspects there was something missing in your relationship and held back. But if she has been dating you for close to 2 years and still feels that if you reject her overtures for sex it will leave her devastated, then I would say she is probably clueless that you were thinking of another woman. If you decide to marry this woman, I doubt the marriage would last long. Or you would be one of the guys who come here stating you've been married for 15 years and never happy sexually - and knew this before you married.

As for you? I don't know. Reading your first post, my first comment was to check your ego. I may have had a misleading first impression, and if so I apologize. However, it really sounds to me as though you might not be exactly sure of just what you want. And sometimes stepping away from a situation and giving yourself a chance to get yourself together is one way to figure out which direction you need to go in.

Good luck!
 
SexyChele, you are brilliant. Can I be your friend?

I would have said a lot of the same things (which is how I Know you're brilliant:D ) but would have mixed it up with a lot of maybes and 'on the other hand's. Only thing I'd add is that they are All very young. Problems with the girlfriend are surmountable, if he had the maturity and loved her enough to do so. But he's 22, for G-d's sake! And not in love.

And going with the manager might work, too, if he were in love and wanted to marry. But he's not. (Would have told us if you were.)

So why not just get yourself into some non-committed relationships?
 
SexyChele said:
I don't place any blame on your ex-manager at all. She admitted her feelings for you. You state here you did not feel the same way. You continued to stay in contact with her. Let a real older woman (43 years) tell ya something: women can become much more emotionally involved with a man than men think. If we are told that a man is not interested in us in a certain way, yet continues to maintain contact, guess what? We think there is hope he might change his mind. In this, my very young friend, you lead her on. Giving into to her for a blowjob only exacerbated this. She manipulate you? I hardly think so. I have a sneaking suspicision that you have been keeping in touch with her to feed your own ego. Shame on you!

Yay SexyChele! This is what I was trying to say in my first post on this thread, but you said it perfectly. Thanks!
 
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