Solution to ISIS crisis?

[Hard_Rom]

There is certainly no chance of a diplomatic solution. That would require admitting to some sort of legitimacy of ISIS and it's doctrines. We gave Hitler the Sudetenland and appeased him in Munich. Did that help?

No way we can recognize that bunch of perverted fucks. Keep pounding them until even the Iraqi army could take them.

 

[Hard_Rom]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-forces-training-kurds-isis-1.3323458

Why Canada can't train its way to victory against ISIS
Training Kurds risks undermining the country that Canada is trying to help

Time will tell whether NATO's multi-year mission to train Afghan forces was successful or not.

But at least Canada and other participants can say that in Afghanistan, they tried hard to build a true national government, national army, and national police. In Iraq, they have largely given up. And in Syria, they never even got started.

The central contradiction of Canada's training mission in the war against ISIS is that, while it is officially there to defend Iraq's national integrity, it is doing so by supporting a separatist militia that does not take orders from Baghdad.

Moreover, while the Kurds have shown their mettle in defending and even retaking Kurdish areas from ISIS, there are few reasons to believe the Kurds will ever pursue an offensive into the historically non-Kurdish areas that are now the Islamic State's heartland.

So the first question to ask when looking at Canada's training mission in Iraq is: Why aren't we training the Iraqi army?

Army ruined by incompetence

When the Iraqi army was routed by ISIS in a humiliating defeat at Mosul in 2014, it abandoned vast quantities of arms and equipment, including 2,300 U.S.-supplied Humvees worth over a billion dollars.
A less visible waste, but one that pained Washington just as much, was the $25 billion the U.S. had spent training the Iraqi army since 2004. Iraq's army continues to be a weak and unreliable force, depending heavily on the Iranian-backed Shia militias who ultimately kept ISIS out of Baghdad. Many of its officers are currently facing courts martial for cowardice in the losses of Mosul and Ramadi.

It is entirely understandable that Canada would not want to invest its training efforts in the Iraqi army. And yet a non-sectarian Iraqi army would be the only force with a chance of being accepted in the Sunni-majority Arab areas of Iraq where ISIS has gained a foothold.

"It is in Syria, in Raqqa, that [ISIS] has its headquarters and it is from Raqqa that some of the main threats against this country are planned and orchestrated," Cameron said. "Raqqa, if you like, is the head of the snake."

And yet Canada's training efforts are focused only on Iraq. Western efforts to train proxies in Syria have ended in fiasco. Last month, the U.S. suspended its efforts to train "moderate" Syrian rebels after spending nearly $500 million. The program intended to create a fighting force of 5,400 men. It produced only 60, who surrendered some of their U.S.-supplied weapons to al-Qaeda shortly after entering Syria from their training program in Turkey.

"Our track record at building security forces over the past 15 years is miserable," says Lt.-Gen (ret.) Karl W. Eikenberry, who commanded coalition forces in Afghanistan from 2005 to 2007, and subsequently became U.S. ambassador to the country.

The U.S. spent $65 billion there, but has had to repeatedly delay the departure of its own troops because the Afghans still need help.

U.S. Special Forces trained their counterparts in Yemen for years, but it took only weeks for those forces to disintegrate in the face of Houthi militiamen earlier this year.

In Mali in 2012, an officer trained by Green Berets to fight al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb instead deposed the democratically-elected president in a coup. Al-Qaeda overran much of the Malian hinterland, until French troops arrived to stop them.

The notion that Canada is uniquely well-suited to provide training is based on its experience in Afghanistan, where the question of whether local forces can defend their own country will only be answered after foreign troops leave.

But experience suggests that if soldiers don't trust their officers, if they haven't been paid because corrupt bureaucrats have purloined their salaries, and if they don't really identify with the cause or the country they're fighting for, they're unlikely to be much use when the shells start flying.

 

[JackLuis]

We Asked Marco Rubio to Lay Out His ISIL Strategy. Here It Is.


Another More of the same but Harder assholes!

Has no one got a plan that might even work, that includes the people in the region?

 

[dan_c00000]

Not sure what you're trying to say, other than backing the Neo-Con solution of American Boots on the Ground. A No-Fly Zone? ISIL doesn't have planes, yet so you basically just want to isolate Assad's forces and piss off the Russians?

I said none of those things. I said we know what this is going to take -troops in Syria/Iraq- and we know the American people don't want that, therefore, our current plan (whether outline by Obama, Clinton, Trump, or whomever) is to continue to bomb them and conduct special forces raids.

I never mentioned a no-fly zone because as you said ISIS has no air force (by the way you mentioning this means you clearly didn't read my post). I never mentioned isolating Assad (again this is you not reading).

 

[JackLuis]

I said none of those things. I said we know what this is going to take -troops in Syria/Iraq- and we know the American people don't want that, therefore, our current plan (whether outline by Obama, Clinton, Trump, or whomever) is to continue to bomb them and conduct special forces raids.

I never mentioned a no-fly zone because as you said ISIS has no air force (by the way you mentioning this means you clearly didn't read my post). I never mentioned isolating Assad (again this is you not reading).

I read your post but as I said, I couldn't understand what it is you wanted to do.

Well then what is your plan, Dan?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Quick Dan this is where you start calling him a teahaddist and obsessing over his ass!!!

 

[NOIRTRASH]

There is certainly no chance of a diplomatic solution. That would require admitting to some sort of legitimacy of ISIS and it's doctrines. We gave Hitler the Sudetenland and appeased him in Munich. Did that help?

No way we can recognize that bunch of perverted fucks. Keep pounding them until even the Iraqi army could take them.

Dear, if youre gonna piss on Hitler get your facts straight.

With regards to Hitler's land grabs: Poland wanted Sudetenland and other parcels in the area. Poland made numerous attacks on Germany and its other neighbors until the war erupted in 1939. Hitler faked the last attack but the others were real. Like what Mexico does along our common border. France pulled the same shit in the Ruhr and Bavaria. What most don't know is Hitler and Churchill were pals, and eschanged numerous correspondence before the war. Hitler: WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO ABOUT FRANCE? Churchill: KICK THEIR ASS.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I for one, am sick, sick, sick! Of these radical islamic pieces of shit killing, maiming, raping, murdering and bombing everything that they think will get them 72 virgins. I'm sick of this panty waist, tree hugging, PC bunch of Democraps playing whack a mole with these sand apes! Quit fucking around already! All my life, Islam has been a pain in our ass, from Iran in the 80s till now. It's nonstop! All you hear now from the Obama administration is pat them on the ass, drop a few bombs and scream that we are not at war with islam. BULLSHIT! Americans are becoming so fucking pacifist that it makes me sick!
The only solution to this crisis is to create alliances with European nations. England, France, Germany, then eygypt, Israel and whoever else has felt the pain from islam and attack it like we did the beaches of Normandy in WWII. Soldiers, tanks, aircraft, naval warships, bombers and if needed, atomic weopons. These assholes do not abide by the Geneva convention, so why should we? Fuck em, let's get chemical weopons, biological warfare, whatever it takes to exterminate this problem of rodents. March soldiers elbow to elbow and a hundred deep and march from palistine to iraq, iran and into Africa wherever there is a cell of radicals and kill them all. When we have to stop in the desert, use their rotting and smoldering corpses to fill the hescos. Kill them all! Use a little counter terrorism to cause them so much fear that they run and beg for mercy and surrender... then put a 556 between thier eyes just for sport... fuck em!

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"Romance Guy," huh?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Dear, if youre gonna piss on Hitler get your facts straight.

With regards to Hitler's land grabs: Poland wanted Sudetenland and other parcels in the area. Poland made numerous attacks on Germany and its other neighbors until the war erupted in 1939. Hitler faked the last attack but the others were real. Like what Mexico does along our common border. France pulled the same shit in the Ruhr and Bavaria. What most don't know is Hitler and Churchill were pals, and eschanged numerous correspondence before the war. Hitler: WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO ABOUT FRANCE? Churchill: KICK THEIR ASS.

Total bullshit, absolute fabrication. Show one link to a legit mainstream source. Winston hated Hitler. When called out on his support of Russia joining the war after years of bitching as much about Stalin as Hitler. Winston responded that "If the devil declared war on Hitler, he would rise up in parliament and say some good things about him".

Hitler loving fuck! Do not ever come to Canada. For your own fucking safety. There is a reason you will never see a swastika or a KKK rally in this country. Not fucking welcome. Here's a brick to the head. Now go back under your rock.