Some food for thought...

[cloudy]

(Now, why does she need or want two shotguns....?)

One is a 12-gauge, the other is a 410. 'nuff said.

 

[Guest]

All it takes to turn a normal person into a criminal is a crime. If that crime is murder, then it's a lot harder to commit without a gun. Okay, so you can stab someone with a kitchen knife, but even that's not easy. It's close range and physical and difficult to do if you're the smaller person.

The Earl

Tell that to OJ.

 

[Op_Cit]

One is a 12-gauge, the other is a 410. 'nuff said.

That don't count....but, hey, everybody, Cloudy eats doves! (only time I ever used a 410).

 

[Guest]

That don't count....but, hey, everybody, Cloudy eats doves! (only time I ever used a 410).

So do I and they're damned fine eating, But you need a lot of them to make hot wings for a superbowl party.

 

[cloudy]

That don't count....but, hey, everybody, Cloudy eats doves! (only time I ever used a 410).

It also does a decent job of making water-moccasins very dead.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

I never monologue. You will never hear me ramble on about my great plan on the assuption that you are about to die and will never be able to foil my plans. Even if you ask, "Before you kill, me will you at least tell me what this is all about?" I'll just say "Nope." And shoot you.

As for the traps, even the most clever trap can be spotted and therefore circumvented. And if the good spy sees it and gets away, I have a more serious problem. No, I say let him get deep into my lair, then I'll kill him and dispose of his body in the incinerator. That way I know he won't go telling everyone my secrets.

I'm a polite supervillain. I always monologue for my captives.

But because I'm not a dumb one, I do it when they're already being killed by the death trap or mind wiped by the Zombie Ray. (Hey you need athletic bodies to make armies of Ninja Rappers and Super Machete Triads)

 

[Liar]

To say that crime is a necessity for these people is just plain bullshit.

What is it then? Recreation? Give me a break.

To claim like you do that it's black and while one way, or to claim like (I admit) I did, that it is black and white the other way is the only thing that is bullshit.

No more discussion about this from me. I know when I'm done banging my head into the wall of accomodating definitions. You're a good man, but with a slightly different view of mankind than me. And chewing this will lead us nowhere but into name calling. So let's not.

#L

 

[Liar]

That don't count....but, hey, everybody, Cloudy eats doves! (only time I ever used a 410).

Mmmmm... doves.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

Mmmmm... doves.

The love and peace make them taste better.

 

[Guest]

What is it then? Recreation? Give me a break.

To claim like you do that it's black and while one way, or to claim like (I admit) I did, that it is black and white the other way is the only thing that is bullshit.

No more discussion about this from me. I know when I'm done banging my head into the wall of accomodating definitions. You're a good man, but with a slightly different view of mankind than me. And chewing this will lead us nowhere but into name calling. So let's not.

#L

Fair enough.

 

[Liar]

Fair enough.

Funky. Now let's go fire up the bbq and find some doves.

 

[Guest]

Funky. Now let's go fire up the bbq and find some doves.

BAH! Buzzard wings are better. More meat on 'em.

 

[Liar]

BAH! Buzzard wings are better. More meat on 'em.

Dude, you're a dragon. Anything is snack sized to you.

 

[Guest]

Dude, you're a dragon. Anything is snack sized to you.

Ok, you got me there.

But griffins and rocs are so damned hard to come by these days.

 

[TheEarl]

The physical converse is true as well Earl. If gun are illegal and an intruder breaks into my home with a knife, then what? Defending myself becomes an extention of my physical prowess vs. his. It's not a battle I am likely to win very often. On the other hand, I'm a crack shot with jut about any kind of fire arm you care to name. He can be 6 foot 6, 340 with a black belt in use of ancient weapons and he is still going to be at the disadvantage.

Without a gun, my safety relies on fleeing or hiding. With one, it relies only on my skill in its use. When the stakes are my life, I have more faith in my skill with a firearm than I do in my 40 yard dash.

Understandable I guess, and I do have full sympathy with Tony Martin (infamous English farmer who shot two intruders in his house). The press talked him up as being a monster who shot two 15 y/o boys when he could easily have overpowered them. I see him as a scared man who found there were people in his house.

I understand your point about not wishing to go toe to toe with a burglar, but it does bring us back to ancient argument of whether the British police should be armed with guns. If they're armed with guns, then anyone facing them would ensure that they were armed with a gun as well. If a housebreaker thinks it a reasonable chance that they might encounter a gun when they break into a house, there's a good chance that they'll take it upon themselves to take their own with them.

I know, it's not a definitive solution, mainly because there never will be one. It's just exactly what it says on the tin - food for thought.

The Earl

 

[oggbashan]

Handguns are illegal in England. Even our Olympic pistol contestants have to go to France to practise (and keep their guns there).

Apart from a shotgun it is now very difficult to get a licence to own any type of firearm. However gun crime is increasing because just owning a gun makes you a criminal. If you are already a criminal, why not use the gun? They are cheap to buy illegally, mainly from the former communist states. Black on Black crime is increasingly involving guns in some parts of our inner cities.

Machetes and swords kill as well. The genocide in Rwanda was carried out with machetes - hundreds of thousands dead. Swords have been used on the streets in the UK. Deaths and injuries from knives are more common than those from guns and swords and the police are seriously concerned about the number of knives carried by school age children.

Banning guns hasn't solved gun crime in the UK. There are few accidents with 'legal' guns because there are so few legal guns. What we don't have are domestic shootings. A husband is unlikely to shoot a wife or a wife to shoot a husband because there are no guns available in the normal household.

Parts of the US have a real problem with the misuse of guns to settle disputes. The number of deaths caused by guns is far too large, and the types of weapons that can be owned is ridiculous. Why should anyone want (or be allowed to own) ammunition that is designed to pierce a policeman's body armour?

Og

PS. Anyone thinking of being a burglar in my premises has to beware of my pike. It is ex-Home Guard WWII, fitted with a sharp bayonet, and long. In the words from the show 'Dad's Army' - 'They dont like it up them'.

 

[Op_Cit]

Why should anyone want (or be allowed to own) ammunition that is designed to pierce a policeman's body armour?

So you can protect yourself from the police. Do you know how many people are killed each year by them? (And seriously too, a lot of innocents, and a huge amount of crime is perpetrated by police.)

Also there have been cases recently of armed robberies where the robbers wore body armor. Why? Because armor piercing bullets are increasingly illegal in most jurisdictions in the US. If I were going to rob someone I wouldn't go without (AP or armor).

The AP issue is just an extension of the erroneous gun argument ("make guns illegal and there won't be gun crime").

I also favor private ownership of nuclear weapons.

 

[Lucifer_Carroll]

So you can protect yourself from the police. Do you know how many people are killed each year by them? (And seriously too, a lot of innocents, and a huge amount of crime is perpetrated by police.)

Also there have been cases recently of armed robberies where the robbers wore body armor. Why? Because armor piercing bullets are increasingly illegal in most jurisdictions in the US. If I were going to rob someone I wouldn't go without (AP or armor).

The AP issue is just an extension of the erroneous gun argument ("make guns illegal and there won't be gun crime").

I also favor private ownership of nuclear weapons.

That's why my nipples fire laser beams and my belly button, gamma radiation. We won't even discuss what goes on below.

 

[Guest]

That's why my nipples fire laser beams and my belly button, gamma radiation. We won't even discuss what goes on below.

these are just the basic things about you which ....*swallows hard*...drives me crazy you mutant... mmmmmm