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[PoppingTom]

The acrimonious Right versus Left split in the US government isn't seen in the UK or most of Europe.

It was seen in Germany before 1933.

 

[PoppingTom]

What do you propose in a discussion of a President who is boring and repetitive in "his" one dimensional thinking? Should it all be excused and ignored?

The question, no matter of your political POV, is: can you discuss without ad hominem attacks?

 

[oggbashan]

It was seen in Germany before 1933.

It was seen in the UK when Mrs Thatcher was Prime Minister.

She divided the country more than any Prime Minister since 1945.

Winston Churchill led a National Government during the war, with Ministers from Conservative and Labour Parties.

 

[CandiCame]

Politicians, at least in the UK, tend to use argument and debate, not repetition. They attempt to persuade voters - most of the time - instead of abusing their opponents. In Parliament, in City Halls, in local politics, politicians tend to have respect for each other even when they disagree.

Last week I attended a funeral of a local councillor, who was also a justice of the peace. Apart from his family, councillors from all three parties were present, and all had something positive to say about his work as a councillor.

In the House of Commons, every Member of Parliament has to find a 'pair' - someone from the opposition party who will cooperate when one or other of them cannot be present for a vote, to preserve the balance of power. If one cannot vote because of other duties, the 'pair' will not vote. So a Conservative MP needs a Labour MP as a friend.

Many national and local issues are decided by mutual negotiation and agreement between parties. There is no need for opposition of a good idea just because the other party thought of it first.

Obviously there are issues that divide parties, positions that cannot be negotiated, promises made at election time that should be kept - but those are known and fought over.

In the rest of Europe, coalition governments are the norm, and cooperation between political parties that have differing objectives has to be argued about before a compromise is reached.

The acrimonious Right versus Left split in the US government isn't seen in the UK or most of Europe.

This "UK" -- in what star system is that planet?!

Yeah, I also call bullshit.

 

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[PoppingTom]

Yeah, I also call bullshit.

You mean, you can't imagine politics like that?

 

[CandiCame]

You mean, you can't imagine politics like that?

That's condescending. It's how you teach politics in a first grade social studies class when you don't want to break their poor little brains with the really real world.

 

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[oggbashan]

Yeah, I also call bullshit.

I'm sorry, but what I wrote is true. Not every political system is like the US.

 

[PoppingTom]

That's condescending. It's how you teach politics in a first grade social studies class when you don't want to break their poor little brains with the really real world.

Oh, what do you think is "the really real world" ? America and nothing else?

 

[CandiCame]

Oh, what do you think is "the really real world" ? America and nothing else?

No, but I think that that's overly simplistic. I think that the reason that they pair up like that is because British politicians are /supposed/ to pander to their individual parties, but I don't know enough about England to argue it. I highly doubt it's because they respect each other.

 

[1sickbastard]

The question, no matter of your political POV, is: can you discuss without ad hominem attacks?

Vetteman?
Go without the ad hominem atttacks?

hahahahahahahahahaaaaa

 

[PoppingTom]

No, but I think that that's overly simplistic. I think that the reason that they pair up like that is because British politicians are /supposed/ to pander to their individual parties, but I don't know enough about England to argue it. I highly doubt it's because they respect each other.

It's not only in England. And respect means the respect for the human, not necessarily for his ideology or agenda. In Germany, all parties would maybe act like the republicans against a party that is related in some way or another to Nazis (and the maybe-Nazis wouldn't do any different), but you can't have 2 big parties that are potential majority leaders fighting like your 2 parties did. This would only be seen as childish, immature or anything else but to be taken seriously.

 

[KingOrfeo]

What do you propose in a discussion of a President who is boring and repetitive in "his" one dimensional thinking? Should it all be excused and ignored?

Well, there you are, that's the kind of thing ogg is complaining about and the kind of thing you should avoid posting. Obama is no more boring, repetitive or one-dimensional than any POTUS before him, and you know it (he is less . . . amusing than some of them, but not more boring). Of course the POTUS will and should be discussed in the Politics forum, but you can discuss his policies without sinking to that silly and embarrassing level.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Is there a way, apart from ignoring some individual posters, of rejecting threads that abuse the President of the United States?

I appreciate that many US citizens wanted a President from the Republicans, but that didn't happen. Daily abuse of your President is boring, and not worth reading.

obama isn't even an American .... that's the rub

 

[oggbashan]

obama isn't even an American .... that's the rub

Winston Churchill had an American mother.

We didn't hold that against him.

 

[sr71plt]

Winston Churchill had an American mother.

We didn't hold that against him.

Nor do we, over here, hold that against Jennie.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Is there a way, apart from ignoring some individual posters, of rejecting threads that abuse the President of the United States?

I appreciate that many US citizens wanted a President from the Republicans, but that didn't happen. Daily abuse of your President is boring, and not worth reading.

If there is a thread about Obama and it is started by certain persons, including me, it's almost certain to be critical. If it is started by certain other persons, it is almost certain to be complimentary, possibly even worshipful.

What's wrong with criticizing the president anyhow? As far as I'm concerned, it's part of being an American.

 

[Boxlicker101]

The question, no matter of your political POV, is: can you discuss without ad hominem attacks?

I never issue personal insults. I express disagreement and criticize public figures but I do it without being personal.

But I am constantly being insulted personally on this forum and others. I'm not complaining, BTW; I'm just pointing out a fact.

 

[sr71plt]

That's pretty much because you are so exasperatingly close-minded and rabid partisan, Box. You drive common sense people up the wall.

 

[PoppingTom]

What's wrong with criticizing the president anyhow? As far as I'm concerned, it's part of being an American.

Y'know, that's the thing: you say "criticize", while ogg meant "abuse". And I sometimes think that all those "criticizers" of Obama fail to notice the difference.

Don't get me wrong: this is a free site, you can say "fuck" as much as you want, and can do a 5000 words text full of abuses against the president. But, clearly, this is everything but a discussion. This is abuse and counter-abuse, and some people got used to it and rarely expect more, and some people are simply bored of it.

I'm with ogg to ignore the abusive threads. Though I know that half of the abusive threads weren't displayed when you simply add busybody to your iggy.

 

[PoppingTom]

I never issue personal insults. I express disagreement and criticize public figures but I do it without being personal.

But I am constantly being insulted personally on this forum and others.

I think everybody is here, at some point. And in some ways I begin to enjoy it. What bothers me is that there isn't much more. Though I can't expect much sensible discussions on a porn site, I know.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I never issue personal insults. I express disagreement and criticize public figures but I do it without being personal.

But I am constantly being insulted personally on this forum and others. I'm not complaining, BTW; I'm just pointing out a fact.

Grampa Kiddiefucker stands tall as an example to us all.
:nods:

 

[oggbashan]

I think everybody is here, at some point. And in some ways I begin to enjoy it. What bothers me is that there isn't much more. Though I can't expect much sensible discussions on a porn site, I know.

Abuse? Yes, I get some from the usual suspects.

But sensible discussions? They happen, but normally about politics. Politics (and religion) tend to attract people with fixed viewpoints who see a different version as anathema or blasphemy. Rational debate becomes impossible.

But ask a sensible question, particularly about a subject on which you are ignorant, and Literotica will produce people who are expert and offer their advice freely.