story rejection

[MillieDynamite]

Part 2 is gone now too, so I can't read it again. I knew someone would bring up the enjoyment issue. It was pretty borderline to me.

I'm not a psychologist (although I play one on Literotica), but it seemed like the character may have had - and had for years - what is now called "hypersexual disorder" (nymphomania for you old-timers). I guess there is a difference between "porn trope" nymphomaniacs and real-life ones, and this was closer to a real one. She seemed compelled to do it rather than truly choosing it. She wasn't merely promiscuous.

Plus there was the disorder and stress of a city (Berlin) about to be invaded by the Soviets. It didn't seem like there was anything "fun" or playful about it for her.

I don't really know, but it's gone now.

I didn't get a chance to read it either. I have a story, not here, about a woman that becomes obsessed with being raped after it happened to her. It was, like many of my stories, written on request. I know, sometimes, women seek out their rape fantasy but I don't think they find the reality as sexy as the dream.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I didn't get a chance to read it either. I have a story, not here, about a woman that becomes obsessed with being raped after it happened to her. It was, like many of my stories, written on request. I know, sometimes, women seek out their rape fantasy but I don't think they find the reality as sexy as the dream.

I have a story about a couple role-playing a rape, but the level of goofiness is such that it is a kind of comedy,, nothing like the real thing. The woman concocted the plot, and the man ineptly goes along with it. It's really an excuse for her to try out a bondage scene, but he can't get the knots right.

In the story that was cut, it's dead serious. The line between consent and non-consent is so blurry that it's impossible to say which is the more important aspect of what's happening.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I have a story about a couple role-playing a rape, but the level of goofiness is such that it is a kind of comedy,, nothing like the real thing. The woman concocted the plot, and the man ineptly goes along with it. It's really an excuse for her to try out a bondage scene, but he can't get the knots right.

In the story that was cut, it's dead serious. The line between consent and non-consent is so blurry that it's impossible to say which is the more important aspect of what's happening.

That'd get it kicked.

 

[gunhilltrain]

That'd get it kicked.

Yes, but the author had a point in that it was there for several years. Either someone dropped a dime on him or Laurel ran a scan for certain keywords (like the word rape was used at least once). I'm not up on the tech, but that is feasible, isn't it?

 

[MillieDynamite]

Yes, but the author had a point in that it was there for several years. Either someone dropped a dime on him or Laurel ran a scan for certain keywords (like the word rape was used at least once). I'm not up on the tech, but that is feasible, isn't it?

The word rape wouldn't be the issue. It would be the lack of enjoyment by the victim would toss point. Graphic violence during the rape would have the same effect, unless of course, she was a masochists. Without reading it, I'm not sure I'd be able to pin down they why. Even then, it's not my opinion that counts.

 

[NotWise]

The word rape wouldn't be the issue. It would be the lack of enjoyment by the victim would toss point. Graphic violence during the rape would have the same effect, unless of course, she was a masochists. Without reading it, I'm not sure I'd be able to pin down they why. Even then, it's not my opinion that counts.

Lit's requirement for Non-con, as I understand it, is that the "victim" must eventually get something from the relationship. I don't think that means they have to enjoy it all the time, especially not the first time it happens.

In the only non-con story I've written, which was fairly recent, it takes 9K words before the woman admits that she's aroused by their relationship, and there's another 9K words where they have a mutually violent relationship, because that gets both of them off.

Starting in the middle of the conversation where the woman, Renée, and a friend are making a salad for a party:

"Never slept with him." Renée glanced at Carol then watched the wall in front of her for a moment. "We've had sex, but I don't stay in his bed, and we don't argue. We fight."

"Aren't you drawing a fine line there? I wish I could say that Sam and I don't argue, but we do."

Renée shook water off the greens and started tearing them into a salad bowl. "It's no fine line. Fighting is biting, scratching, kicking, hitting—and that's just me. Aaron has never hit me. It's too easy for him to just overpower me." She picked up diced cheese from the cutting board and dropped it in the bowl. "Are the cucumbers about ready?"

Carol closed her mouth and turned back to her work. "Is that why Aaron's been wearing long sleeves all summer?"

Relationships like that are actually real. I don't know how long they can last, but they're real.

 

[gunhilltrain]

The word rape wouldn't be the issue. It would be the lack of enjoyment by the victim would toss point. Graphic violence during the rape would have the same effect, unless of course, she was a masochists. Without reading it, I'm not sure I'd be able to pin down they why. Even then, it's not my opinion that counts.

I mostly skimmed it, but she likely was a masochist as well as having the sexual disorder I mentioned. I don't know what the author intended (he's here, he could tell us) or what exactly Laurel got him on.

That's always going to be an issue, because erotica, unless it's just happy love stories, often explores dark themes and is going to push the boundaries of what a site will accept. The only story I ever had rejected anywhere was on another site. It involved a girl getting a paddling and not enjoying it; was intended to be a punishment.

I couldn't see how to rewrite it and still have it make sense, so I published it elsewhere. That's probably what the OP should do too.

 

[MillieDynamite]

I mostly skimmed it, but she likely was a masochist as well as having the sexual disorder I mentioned. I don't know what the author intended (he's here, he could tell us) or what exactly Laurel got him on.

That's always going to be an issue, because erotica, unless it's just happy love stories, often explores dark themes and is going to push the boundaries of what a site will accept. The only story I ever had rejected anywhere was on another site. It involved a girl getting a paddling and not enjoying it; was intended to be a punishment.

I couldn't see how to rewrite it and still have it make sense, so I published it elsewhere. That's probably what the OP should do too.

I agree with you.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I agree with you.

I just want to mention that my story was set in the 1920s, when paddlings of young guys and girls was probably more common. I guess I could have argued that is was thus plausible (not that every story has to be plausible!). But the moderator was specifically requesting a rewrite, not a debate. It's still there in unpublished limbo.

 

[gunhilltrain]

I didn't get a chance to read it either. I have a story, not here, about a woman that becomes obsessed with being raped after it happened to her. It was, like many of my stories, written on request. I know, sometimes, women seek out their rape fantasy but I don't think they find the reality as sexy as the dream.

Probably there are women who fantasize about being forced by a man, but I'm guessing most of them understand that it wouldn't be pleasant in reality. All of us imagine things that would we would not actually do.

By the way, in your story, what does this woman do about her obsession? Does she go out and try to make it happen again? That's was sort of the plot line of the story by the OP that got pulled.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Probably there are women who fantasize about being forced by a man, but I'm guessing most of them understand that it wouldn't be pleasant in reality. All of us imagine things that would we would not actually do.

By the way, in your story, what does this woman do about her obsession? Does she go out and try to make it happen again? That's was sort of the plot line of the story by the OP that got pulled.

There is serial rapist that she gets raped by several times. She goes to a homeless encampment and gets raped by several bums there. She tires to get raped several times and fails, but the SR finds her enough times she is getting off on it regularly until he's arrested. poor woman.

 

[jaF0]

No more word from the OP?



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I scratched something out about a high power exec where a guy forces his way into her office after hours and takes her.


Then I make it clear she arranged and paid for it. Then I take it into being an initiation to a special club. I haven't done much with it. Yet.

 

[DCO_65]

What I consider NC varies a lot from what constitutes the acceptable norm for publication here. I have written two different stories that I consider D&S or perhaps CNC that were submitted in BDSM here. One was moved to NC/R (I pulled it rather than say it was in any way NC) while the other was outright rejected. Both were based on real games I played with lovers where I gave consent (there was a scene at the beginning of each story establishing it as a consensual game) and was then (later) "surprised, overpowered, and taken" by my lovers. The MC knew it would happen, knew the broad strokes on what would happen, but like me in RL, didn't know details or exactly when it would happen.

Then I look at the NC/R category and I see... Uh, well... (If you can't say something nice...)

OTOH, I wrote a piece about "The (self-styled) Uno-bomber" an incel who lived in his mother's basement and obtained sexual gratification from "one-bombing" stories on a popular erotic story website. A tech-savvy author back traced the Uno-bomber's IP address and with a half-dozen of her fellow writers broke in one night and buggered him for hours with large strap-ons. He didn't enjoy it at first, but then his mother interrupted the party and the Uno-bomber obtained great sexual pleasure from having mom cheer the authors on and denigrate him for his many failings as a son. That story was accepted.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There is serial rapist that she gets raped by several times. She goes to a homeless encampment and gets raped by several bums there. She tires to get raped several times and fails, but the SR finds her enough times she is getting off on it regularly until he's arrested. poor woman.

It's kind of difficult to know for sure, but it might be hard to get raped on purpose. Like Charles Bronson, in the reality of 1974, could probably walk around Riverside Park all night and never meet a mugger. Of course, he always meets one.

Anyway, in this case, it's sort of unclear if mental illness - I would say she has one - makes it truly rape or some other phenomenon. It's much like that story that got pulled. Personally, I've never heard of it actually happening.

Then there is this, which was written (I assume) by a woman (but maybe not!).

https://classic.literotica.com/s/the-importance-of-degrading-porn

If it is a woman, does she have some "issues" or is she merely being tongue-in-cheek?

 

[gunhilltrain]

What I consider NC varies a lot from what constitutes the acceptable norm for publication here. I have written two different stories that I consider D&S or perhaps CNC that were submitted in BDSM here. One was moved to NC/R (I pulled it rather than say it was in any way NC) while the other was outright rejected. Both were based on real games I played with lovers where I gave consent (there was a scene at the beginning of each story establishing it as a consensual game) and was then (later) "surprised, overpowered, and taken" by my lovers. The MC knew it would happen, knew the broad strokes on what would happen, but like me in RL, didn't know details or exactly when it would happen.

Then I look at the NC/R category and I see... Uh, well... (If you can't say something nice...)

OTOH, I wrote a piece about "The (self-styled) Uno-bomber" an incel who lived in his mother's basement and obtained sexual gratification from "one-bombing" stories on a popular erotic story website. A tech-savvy author back traced the Uno-bomber's IP address and with a half-dozen of her fellow writers broke in one night and buggered him for hours with large strap-ons. He didn't enjoy it at first, but then his mother interrupted the party and the Uno-bomber obtained great sexual pleasure from having mom cheer the authors on and denigrate him for his many failings as a son. That story was accepted.

You use a lot of acronyms! Like what does D&S and CNS stand for? Anyway, in the first cases, it seems clearly consensual because they were planned out in advance although the details might have been surprises. Personally, I wouldn't have pulled it merely because the category was changed.

The Uno-bomber story is obviously improbable, but that's okay for a story. They accepted it - so all is well.

 

[NotWise]

No more word from the OP?

It appears fannyrat bowed out after the second story was sent back. I'd be interested in hearing how she dealt with it and how that worked out.

I wonder about the site's attitude toward non-con. Non-con stories are always at the bottom of the new story list, and my only experience with the category makes me wonder it Laurel sweeps the category as much as she sweep other categories.

If the policy is to suppress and remove non-con stories, then why does Lit have the category at all?

My only non-con story might have been challenging for Romance readers, but it was a Romance, and things might have worked out better there than with it buried in non-con.

 

[DCO_65]

You use a lot of acronyms! Like what does D&S and CNS stand for?

D&S: Dominance and Submission. BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, Sadism, and Masochism. Bondage is okay. Discipline, ha ha-- me and discipline, we don't co-exist well. Dominance, meh. I'm sexually Submissive... Which to me means letting my lover drive while I enjoy the ride. Sadism is a turn off. But I am a bit Masochistic as in letting pain release endorphins and endocannabinoids.

CNC: Consensual Non-Consent. For me it's saying, "whatever I say or do, or how much I struggle, don't stop until (this condition) is met." It makes it real, because in my forbrain I know that my lover won't hurt me. But the reptillian brain stem is programmed for self-preservation. When it goes haywire it dumps endorphins and endocannabinoids. I stop thinking and I just am.

 

[gunhilltrain]

D&S: Dominance and Submission. BDSM is Bondage, Discipline, Dominance, Submission, Sadism, and Masochism. Bondage is okay. Discipline, ha ha-- me and discipline, we don't co-exist well. Dominance, meh. I'm sexually Submissive... Which to me means letting my lover drive while I enjoy the ride. Sadism is a turn off. But I am a bit Masochistic as in letting pain release endorphins and endocannabinoids.

CNC: Consensual Non-Consent. For me it's saying, "whatever I say or do, or how much I struggle, don't stop until (this condition) is met." It makes it real, because in my forbrain I know that my lover won't hurt me. But the reptillian brain stem is programmed for self-preservation. When it goes haywire it dumps endorphins and endocannabinoids. I stop thinking and I just am.

1. Every masochist needs a sadist, and vice versa. Of course, some people are switches. I find the most interesting situation to be with both members of a couple are switches. I wrote a line somewhere: "We were two switches in love; could there be anything sweeter?"

2. That's why safe words were invented. I usually have them in stories, except for one couple that is very inexperienced. Usually the dominant partner will remind the other of what it is just before it starts. In one case, I have the guy say, "If you wish, ask for some tuna salad during this." She replied, "I hate that stuff," which means, "Go ahead, give it your best shot."

 

[gunhilltrain]

It appears fannyrat bowed out after the second story was sent back. I'd be interested in hearing how she dealt with it and how that worked out.

I wonder about the site's attitude toward non-con. Non-con stories are always at the bottom of the new story list, and my only experience with the category makes me wonder it Laurel sweeps the category as much as she sweep other categories.

If the policy is to suppress and remove non-con stories, then why does Lit have the category at all?

My only non-con story might have been challenging for Romance readers, but it was a Romance, and things might have worked out better there than with it buried in non-con.

We've been suggesting here that, for Lit's purposes, Non-consent usually means - although maybe not always - that it was planned ahead of time, sort of faked. It could also be that a woman (although conceivably it could be a man) is assaulted by a stranger and it turns out that she likes it. That is more of a porn trope than anything that usually happens in the real world.

It could also be placed in Erotic Couplings or Romance, perhaps.

All of fannyrat's other submissions are still there for the moment. He hasn't posted anything new since June of 2020, so maybe he's mostly lost interest.

 

[NotWise]

We've been suggesting here that, for Lit's purposes, Non-consent usually means - although maybe not always - that it was planned ahead of time, sort of faked. It could also be that a woman (although conceivably it could be a man) is assaulted by a stranger and it turns out that she likes it. That is more of a porn trope than anything that usually happens in the real world.

My story doesn't fit that profile at all. The woman is trapped into a situation. The man has issues of self-control, and increasingly-strong feelings of remorse each time he rapes her. Their relationship changes through the story, but they never get over or around the violence. He takes her when he needs her, and being forced is very exciting for her.

I did once meet a woman who needed to be forced to enjoy sex -- at least that was the belief in the rural community where she lived.

 

[gunhilltrain]

My story doesn't fit that profile at all. The woman is trapped into a situation. The man has issues of self-control, and increasingly-strong feelings of remorse each time he rapes her. Their relationship changes through the story, but they never get over or around the violence. He takes her when he needs her, and being forced is very exciting for her.

I did once meet a woman who needed to be forced to enjoy sex -- at least that was the belief in the rural community where she lived.

Yeah, there are all kinds of relationships out there that I may not know about. Supposedly many rapes are actually committed by someone the woman already knows, including family members, so it can get confusing. Many women don't even report them, for fear that they might not be believed. I'm not an expert on this, but supposedly the police are more sensitive to these issues than they used to be.

Did Brett Kavanaugh actually assault Christine Ford and those two other women? I'm not going to attempt to answer that question. And that woman in the rural area you mentioned - how does one classify that? Arguably, the force she wanted was - I don't know, a sort of kinky fetish, not really force.

 

[NotWise]

Did Brett Kavanaugh actually assault Christine Ford and those two other women? I'm not going to attempt to answer that question. And that woman in the rural area you mentioned - how does one classify that? Arguably, the force she wanted was - I don't know, a sort of kinky fetish, not really force.

It sounds like you think kinks aren't real.

I met her in a bar where she was looking for attention. The local who told me about her put it like "It's easy enough to get her to your room, but then you have to fight her to get her in bed."

She was a hot-looking cowgirl--not dainty at all. Fighting her into bed would have been no easy feat.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It's kind of difficult to know for sure, but it might be hard to get raped on purpose. Like Charles Bronson, in the reality of 1974, could probably walk around Riverside Park all night and never meet a mugger. Of course, he always meets one.

Anyway, in this case, it's sort of unclear if mental illness - I would say she has one - makes it truly rape or some other phenomenon. It's much like that story that got pulled. Personally, I've never heard of it actually happening.

Then there is this, which was written (I assume) by a woman (but maybe not!).

https://classic.literotica.com/s/the-importance-of-degrading-porn

If it is a woman, does she have some "issues" or is she merely being tongue-in-cheek?

I think it's more tongue-in-cheek. The C word really bugs the shit out of me. The word I find more foul than the N word. I use both in my writing, but man they really burn my fingers when I type them.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Yeah, there are all kinds of relationships out there that I may not know about. Supposedly many rapes are actually committed by someone the woman already knows, including family members, so it can get confusing. Many women don't even report them, for fear that they might not be believed. I'm not an expert on this, but supposedly the police are more sensitive to these issues than they used to be.

Did Brett Kavanaugh actually assault Christine Ford and those two other women? I'm not going to attempt to answer that question. And that woman in the rural area you mentioned - how does one classify that? Arguably, the force she wanted was - I don't know, a sort of kinky fetish, not really force.

Watch the movie Unbelievable, and you’ll see what cops are more sensitive to a woman whos been raped.

I’m more pro-cop than most blacks, but it is conditional on the individual cop, not the institution. There are four kinds of police, lazy ones, racist bad cops, crooked cops, and good police officers. And my father, a white former PI, knows some of all of these, as I do as well.

The system has built favoritism to those who are white. It is less than in yesteryear but still exists. Don’t worry, I don’t want to burn anything down. It can be fixed in local communities without the aid of the freaking federal government.

The people who know the truth gave their opinions. Whatever the truth is we will never be sure, truth is often somewhere in between what we hear from the extremes.

 

[DCO_65]

1. Every masochist needs a sadist, and vice versa...

I started running a couple weeks after I started walking and ran competitively in high school. Distance running is a highly masochistic endeavor, one that requires no external sadist-- perhaps then I am both a masochist (athlete) and a sadist (pushing myself to do better)-- who knows. But in addition to the pride of accomplishment and health benefits I enjoyed plenty of natural endorphins and endocannabinoids.

2. That's why safe words were invented. I usually have them in stories, except for one couple that is very inexperienced.

Lately there seems to be a rule mandating safewords be used if a story is to be in the BDSM category. I'm not opposed per-se, but I do find the mandate to be oppressive. I have been playing with the same group of people since 1980-1983. We know each other and we pay attention to each other. And I think that a story written about playmates who show that level of caring and devotion in any setting-- not just D&S play-- is hot. I know it is in RL.