Storylines/Genres you hate

[pink_silk_glove]

Damn, an entire thread devoted to kink shaming and virtue signaling.

In fairness, the thread title is stories and genres that you hate. It is the replies that are naming kinks, which are not stories and only slightly blur into genres (depending on the kink). This is because most of us (usually the stroke readers) can't differentiate plots from genres from kinks and therefore can't seem to classify anything except by kink.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The worst stories are the ones where any semblance of "plot" is merely an excuse for a kink to happen. These stories have zero conflict and cardboard unicorn characters that always take the shortest line from tab A to slot B (or should I say slot B makes a beeline for tab A). As far as I'm concerned, they are a complete waste of my time. They are also the majority of stories on lit.

 

[designatedvictim]

Just checked them out on YouTube. That's too funny... you're right, can't imagine someone couldn't tell.

Hey! I remember actually taking one of those outside of a local grocery store! My friends, who were egging me on, would have never let me forget it if I failed the Challenge.

I'm dating myself with that admission.

I'm afraid the two of us would be on opposite sides of that possibly insurmountable divide.

Coke vs. Pepsi... the forbidden desires of two young people who would be forever at odds with each other's deepest wants and desires.

Amusingly enough, I dropped a bit of CvP in the second chapter of my ongoing piece.

She was a Coke Girl.

He was a Pepsi Boy who admitted to a desire for the taste of Coke after discovering that McDonalds does some sort of voodoo on their syrup that makes their Coke tolerable!

Could they overcome their natural distrust to reach a shared, but forbidden love?

The plot for a new romance story...

 

[RetroFan]

Not hate...by no means...Not hate...But I do pass by:
High school, college dorms, boyfriends, girlfriends.
'

I understand that people might not want to read or write stories set in high school (Seniors/Year 12's aged 18 or teachers) or in college but what is the aversion to writing stories about boyfriends and girlfriends?

I'm not judging, but it just seems unusual to avoid reading or writing stories that involve a boyfriend or girlfriend in any genre.

 

[GeTee]

I don't have entire genres I hate, I think anything can be well written and get my attention.

There are two common themes I don't care for and pull me out of the story.

One is when the characters are too perfect, blonde, blue eyes, perfect 10 face, DD breasts, big tight butt, etc, etc, I just described a character in a decent percentage of stories. I like there to be some flaws and a little more realistic of a description. It is also a little off to me that the person sees some boobs for the first time and automatically knows the bra size like he is some kind of a savant when it comes to bra sizes when in reality a lot of women need to get measured to know their actual size. It just pulls me out of the story and makes me roll my eyes a little, but I get it and understand why it is common.

The other thing that throws me off is uncommon words for genitals, cum, and different sex words.

Manhood is one of the weirdest to me, maybe it is a more common term elsewhere, but when I read, "she grasped my manhood.." it feels fake to me. Nobody actually calls it that that I am aware of. Again, I understand, it gets repetitive using the same words over and over, it just makes it feel more fake to me.

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

I/T. I have personally been close to four incest situations in my lifetime and every single one ended in very broken families and tens of thousands spent in therapy.

Holy crap FOUR?? Jeepers

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

As someone new to erotica & this site this is a FASCINATING thread topic! It's so hard to tell what will appeal to people or make them stop reading part-way.

I write about certain things that don't do anything for me, more as a writing challenge.

The one thing I don't think I'll ever touch is the 'Interracial' category. I just can't switch my brain off. Really relies on some HEAVY racist stereotypes & bigotry. To me it's weird it's still a category.

I haven't actually read or written a 'Loving Wife' story yet, so I'm not fully certain what they're like - but I wonder if replacing the Interracial category with a 'Loving Husband' category would be a nice switcheroo?

 

[Erozetta]

There's a fine line with humiliation where I'm okay with it and where it bugs me.

I don't mind a character being called out on something that embarrasses them, I don't mind the type of humiliation that simply flushes a character's cheeks or makes them feel uncomfortable. What I don't like is humiliation for cruelty's sake. Rubbing it in, drawing additional attention to the humiliation and compounding that feeling in a caustic way.

There's a difference in the two where it can go from a fairly innocuous thing where the humiliated character needs a little extra care and support to one character trying to break the other via emotional harm. I can't stand that.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

I'll read practically anything if it grabs my attention. Usually I'd say terrible grammar, ignoring punctuation conventions, and daft tropes like the Alpha/Omega verse, put me off - but I'm eagerly awaiting chapter 85 of an epic where the author has imperfect English, an addiction to using italics at least once per sentence, James Bond and the 00 agents have cuddle piles with Q and half of them are shagging each other, and the Alpha/Omega stuff is actually integral to the plot. Some excellent characterisation and dialogue and wry observations make it all work.

There's a huge difference between erotic humiliation and simple cruel humiliation - and I know some other people enjoy stories about the latter. What I hate is when stories that have been the former decide to throw in some pure cruelty near the end, as a sort of narrative climax. It's like cold water on my enjoyment.

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

Showing my ignorance here - but could anyone summarise what alpha/omega means in this context? Is it a well known story or a genre convention?

 

[lovecraft68]

There's a huge difference between erotic humiliation and simple cruel humiliation - and I know some other people enjoy stories about the latter. What I hate is when stories that have been the former decide to throw in some pure cruelty near the end, as a sort of narrative climax. It's like cold water on my enjoyment.

I agree with this. I'm fine with consensual humiliation, even extreme as long as its clear its part of an erotic game the person is enjoying. But I've seen stories that the way they're written they begin to slip across the line and have you thinking it was too much.

Flat out cruel humiliation isn't my thing. Although when it comes to LW I speak out about the incels and hatred of women over there, I'm also not a fan of how men are treated in the NC humiliation stories especially when the racist tropes rear their head as well. It falls under my original post here, Hate, and actual abuse, should not be eroticized.

But sometimes I wonder what the writer is going for. Maybe they just don't know the line. Some can fake it til they make it, some, if you have no idea of the fetish, just fail.

 

[lovecraft68]

In fairness, the thread title is stories and genres that you hate. It is the replies that are naming kinks, which are not stories and only slightly blur into genres (depending on the kink). This is because most of us (usually the stroke readers) can't differentiate plots from genres from kinks and therefore can't seem to classify anything except by kink.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The worst stories are the ones where any semblance of "plot" is merely an excuse for a kink to happen. These stories have zero conflict and cardboard unicorn characters that always take the shortest line from tab A to slot B (or should I say slot B makes a beeline for tab A). As far as I'm concerned, they are a complete waste of my time. They are also the majority of stories on lit.

The kink is why people don't like the story meaning the dislike can encompass entire genres if that's what they focus on. If there is violence for titillation then to me that's not a kink and should not be eroticized. In fact, there is supposed to be a rule about torture and violence to get off to not being allowed here.

Sorry, I couldn't even type that with a straight face.

I saw something the other day that made me stop and remind myself what this site is mainly for....and its flat-out porn.

There is a woman who posts in the GB who has only been around a couple of years and has a reaction score of just under 100k. Why? Because she posts nudes of herself and pics of her having sex with men who aren't her husband (if the hotwife thing is true and not smoke, who knows?) but point is despite what the shmucks in the Politics forum think and what the 'literary' erotica authors want to think...

Lit is a porn site with a capital P full of people coming here to get themselves off to stories and porn pic/vid threads and flirt and get their perv on with others on the boards.

Are there 'real stories' here with depth and plot etc...of course, but they're not what most come here for.

 

[lovecraft68]

Hey! I remember actually taking one of those outside of a local grocery store! My friends, who were egging me on, would have never let me forget it if I failed the Challenge.

I'm dating myself with that admission.

I'm afraid the two of us would be on opposite sides of that possibly insurmountable divide.

Coke vs. Pepsi... the forbidden desires of two young people who would be forever at odds with each other's deepest wants and desires.

Amusingly enough, I dropped a bit of CvP in the second chapter of my ongoing piece.



The plot for a new romance story...

I've already dated myself by remembering seeing the commercials back when they came out.

I remember being at a party and the host ran out of Coke and made me a Jack and Pepsi and I took one sip and was like...WTF? The difference is even more noticeable with alcohol.

 

[Dearelliot]

I understand that people might not want to read or write stories set in high school (Seniors/Year 12's aged 18 or teachers) or in college but what is the aversion to writing stories about boyfriends and girlfriends?

I'm not judging, but it just seems unusual to avoid reading or writing stories that involve a boyfriend or girlfriend in any genre.

When I hear a person saying my boyfriend or my girlfriend I feel like I'm talking to a teenager.
In this case I suppose it's just me, I have women friends, or a lady friend A woman I see, but I don't associate erotica with boys and girls. It's how I feel about the words, I realize it works for others and I'm fine with that...

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Lit is a porn site with a capital P full of people coming here to get themselves off to stories and porn pic/vid threads and flirt and get their perv on with others on the boards.

Are there 'real stories' here with depth and plot etc...of course, but they're not what most come here for.

I've been saying this here for two years and at almost every turn someone says "No, no, no! My Red Hs meen that I wriet gud!!1!"

 

[karina_jayde]

What kinds of storylines, tropes or genres in erotica do you hate?

For me, one that I can't stand is stories that involve a mother getting with her son's bully. My reason for this actually doesn't have as much to do with the moral issues often associated with them but rather with the portrayal of the characters. The bully's almost always portrayed as this OP cartoon villain who is jacked, a god in bed, can seduce any and every woman in the victim's life, is smart enough to thwart any plans the victim tries, and seems to exist solely to torment the victim. Additionally, the mother's usually presented as a "caring and loving" mother who's secretly a malignant narcissist that doesn't care about anyone other than herself and the bully or she abandons any principles she has at the drop of a hat (usually after sleeping with the bully a handful of times). The portrayal of the characters in this trope has been enough to pretty much turn me off that genre altogether.

As a writer/reader of fantasy erotica I really don't care for isekai/portal fantasy stories and I really don't care for LitRPG.

That's not say there can't be good works and this isn't to denigrate writers of such works, it's just not my thing.

Isekai stuff in particular just seems like a lazy way to make the MC special and unique, and gives the author an easy excuse for lazy worldbuilding and clumsy exposition. As a genre it feels more prone to self-insert stuff as well.

LitRPG stuff suffers from similar issues, and including 'stats' and 'level ups' for characters can just feel so incredibly lazy and hamfisted. Rather than actually focus on semirealistic character development, it comes down to just making numbers go up and getting new 'powers.' And I'm saying this as someone who loves RPGs and and even grindy stat-focused video games. I just don't love that stuff in stories.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've been saying this here for two years and at almost every turn someone says "No, no, no! My Red Hs meen that I wriet gud!!1!"

Human nature, we all want to think we're succeeding.

I do believe though, and someone like @RejectReality could probably back or dismiss this, but I think stories that are more of a story score a bit higher in general than stroke, but...the thing with this site score obsessed people don't always get is there are so many damn variables as to whether a story hits or misses its mind numbing. I don't want to spend time analyzing the way some here do.

On this note though, I think you build your brand and can be a victim of that. Most of my stories have an effort to be somewhat 'real' and I do well. The couple of times I delivered a stroker I took some heat, some "I like your other stories better" which shows many here are locked into what they want and will eat the same sandwich every day.

But overall, this is a smut first site and that's fine, but I don't think some like to accept that.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

I do believe though, and someone like @RejectReality could probably back or dismiss this, but I think stories that are more of a story score a bit higher in general than stroke, but...the thing with this site score obsessed people don't always get is there are so many damn variables as to whether a story hits or misses its mind numbing. I don't want to spend time analyzing the way some here do.

There are no stats here correlating score to quality of plot or characterization because there is no statistical measure of those qualities.

And fuck no, longer stories scoring better is not an indication of quality because there are just as many shitty long stories here as shitty short stories and shitty medium stories too.

I honestly think that it is more difficult to score well with quality prose and plot and characterization (and heaven forbid theme) than with strokes, simply because the audience that likes story grades a little harder. The stroke crowd gives 5s or not a five (1 or no vote) and very few 3s or 4s. The literary crowd is more willing to give a good piece an honest 4 (which actually hurts the score). I have no science behind this but just talking around a bit and pontificating. A literary reader will almost certainly be more likely to put a little more thought into his vote and use the whole scale (1-5).

It's an indictment of the Red H system. A 4 SHOULD be a good score, but because of the Red H threshold at 4.5, any vote less than 5 sucks. It's a stupid system.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There's a whole sub-genre here of lesbian scat, specifically "barrel scat", featuring... figure it out for yourself.

I discovered it after someone faved a story of mine which briefly contemplated Russian girls who shit in the woods - a bizarre enough fetish, but hey, what's a kink if you don't open your mind? Anyway, someone faves the story, I go take a look at their story list, because there's at least something in common.

She's got a dozen or so stories of her own, and I see there's a common theme. And a list of maybe twenty faved authors, very similar themes.

It's an obscure kink. I didn't go looking for more, and I've never done a story search. Someone will now, I'm sure - I have no idea what they'll find.

I checked the tags portal and yes, it is extremely popular. There is one guy - he claims to be male, anyway - who has three entire series on it. The most recent one is up to Chapter 16 I think.

One of his stories involves bridal shopping, which reminds me of Bridesmaids. I've never seen it, but when I heard about the bridal shop scene, I had to look at it on YouTube. "Chick Flicks Don't Have to Suck," some reviewer states. But it's okay to show them taking a dump in a sink or the street.

 

[gunhilltrain]

There are no stats here correlating score to quality of plot or characterization because there is no statistical measure of those qualities.

And fuck no, longer stories scoring better is not an indication of quality because there are just as many shitty long stories here as shitty short stories and shitty medium stories too.

I honestly think that it is more difficult to score well with quality prose and plot and characterization (and heaven forbid theme) than with strokes, simply because the audience that likes story grades a little harder. The stroke crowd gives 5s or not a five (1 or no vote) and very few 3s or 4s. The literary crowd is more willing to give a good piece an honest 4 (which actually hurts the score). I have no science behind this but just talking around a bit and pontificating. A literary reader will almost certainly be more likely to put a little more thought into his vote and use the whole scale (1-5).

It's an indictment of the Red H system. A 4 SHOULD be a good score, but because of the Red H threshold at 4.5, any vote less than 5 sucks. It's a stupid system.

It's in the minds of the writers. If I get above a four, I guess I'm satisfied. But people like to rank things and get awards, thus the Oscars, the Grammies, etc. Those were created to promote the film and music industries. Although apparently the Oscar broadcast doesn't get the ratings it used to.

TV ratings: another dubious metric. Pure quantity over everything else. "This is the story of Howard Beale, the only known instance of a man killed because he had lousy ratings."

 

[RetroFan]

When I hear a person saying my boyfriend or my girlfriend I feel like I'm talking to a teenager.
In this case I suppose it's just me, I have women friends, or a lady friend A woman I see, but I don't associate erotica with boys and girls. It's how I feel about the words, I realize it works for others and I'm fine with that...

Thanks for clarifying. One expression I've never really taken to is the term 'partner' for a de facto spouse. It's used in Australia and New Zealand and has been for many years now, not sure about America, Canada, England, Ireland, South Africa etc. To me, it sounds overly formal, like a business partner or partners in a law or an accountancy firm or medical or dentistry practice. And it just sounds unromantic in everyday speech, "Oh hi John, I'd like you to meet my partner Jane'.

 

[designatedvictim]

I remember being at a party and the host ran out of Coke and made me a Jack and Pepsi and I took one sip and was like...WTF? The difference is even more noticeable with alcohol.

Woe... but we would find ourselves with the same divide that Kelliezgirl and I find between us.

Sniffle...

 

[RetroFan]

Literotica obviously doesn't allow any content involving extreme sexual violence or death played for erotica, which is a sensible and good thing.

And while I haven't personally seen any such stories, has anyone ever seen any stories which romanticise relationships with murderers, such as serial killers? Obviously I can't speak for the site administrators but I imagine 'fan fiction' stories about real-life serial killers and other murderers might be knocked back, even if they didn't involve overt sexual violence. For example if an author submitted a story about a young woman's romantic one night stand with Ted Bundy in the early 1970s, a story about an 18-year-old female runaway who joins the Manson Family cult and takes part in a demented orgy with Charles Manson and his demented followers; a Loving Wives story about a cheating wife having sex in a car with her younger lover in New York who are shot dead by 'The Son of Sam' serial killer; or a gay male story about a young man employed by John Wayne Gacy who has intimate encounters with his boss without ending up under the house or in a local river.

But what of stories about relationships with fictional serial killers? That is one genre I find disturbing, for example a young woman who is a huge fan of a handsome serial killer in prison and who sends him letters, intimate photos and visits him frequently. If it didn't break the other content guidelines I guess such a story would be allowed for publication. However I personally would still find such a story troubling.

And even more disturbingly, this is hardly a rare or unusual thing in real life. There's lots of women and girls who are 'prison groupies' so to speak, and who are sexually attracted to men who commit murder and other violent crimes, seeking out contact and relationships with these incarcerated dangerous criminals. Some male serial killers considered handsome like Ted Bundy, Paul Bernardo and in the UK the late Peter Sutcliffe (better known as the Yorkshire Ripper) had many of these 'crime groupie' women getting overly excited and wetting their panties with a substance other than urine or menstrual blood. All would apparently receive love letters, romantic poetry and gifts in prison from their fan girls on the outside, and I remember seeing a crime program some years back which mentioned how frequently these deluded girls would try to send pairs of their knickers to Peter Sutcliffe in the post.

But before the guys get too smug, there's just as many cases of men simping over attractive but dangerous female criminals too. This was both in the past for women like Myra Hindley and Karla Homolka, and more recently too with cases such as Lori Vallow (attractive mid 40s blonde Mormon MILF who was a senior member of a religious doomsday cult) and the very pretty English nurse Lucy Letby, recently unveiled as one of the UK's worst ever serial murderers of children. Yet in the case of Letby at least, she seems to attract more simps than an Only Fans girl. If you want to get into Lori Vallow's panties or Lucy Letby's knickers I guess that's entirely your own business, but probably you should keep these fantasies to yourself and not post about them online.

 

[designatedvictim]

There are no stats here correlating score to quality of plot or characterization because there is no statistical measure of those qualities.

True.

Remembering that the scoring runs from Hate It to Love It, which is liking it, not saying it's written well, although good writing should factor into your liking.

As a thin-skinned newbie, I want votes as a form of validation. But even though three of my submissions now have over ten votes, and are over 4.5, I'm sadly aware that none of it means I've written well.

A horrible story example I ran into... let's just say sometime this quarter, to be intentionally vague, has a very respectable Red H score, but I thought it was awfully-written.

It has ten times the views and five times the comments as any submissions of mine, but they mostly fall into the 'Excellent - Wow - More!'-types of responses.

I stared at the screen in disgust wondering how anyone could say that.

It's really petty of me, and I actually feel almost guilty about it, but I crowed in delight when I read one of the last comments that diverged from the throng. That commenter basically said that parts of it read like it was written by a grade-schooler, an early grade-schooler. Also, that parts read like English wasn't the writer's primary language (which, in and of itself, isn't something to knock, if you know that's the case going in). The commenter also went into a brief bit that there was significant setup that could have reasonably been trimmed, suggesting that it was padding.

I suppose it should come as no surprise to me that on a site like this, most readers would have some quirks to their gallop.

 

[Kumquatqueen]

Showing my ignorance here - but could anyone summarise what alpha/omega means in this context? Is it a well known story or a genre convention?

Oh ye gods - since you asked: there is a whole genre of stories, often fanfic, often involving werewolves or vampires, but often just a slightly alternative reality where being male or female is less important than Alpha/beta/omega 'gender' - while men and women can reproduce in the usual way, and beta people generally do, a proportion of the population are alpha and omega, where the dominant alpha types desire the usually-submissive omega types. The key feature is that the omega male (the stories rarely mention a/o women) goes into heat at intervals, for a few days, though he may be able to suppress it with drugs.

At this point he will become delirious, helpless, and totally desperate to be fucked by an alpha male, though depending on author, any male, or powerful vibrators, may or may not suffice. And likely produce pheromones, triggering alphas to be desperate to fuck him. The particular mad bit is 'knotting' - after getting penetrated enough times or for long enough, the omega finds the alpha's cock swells up, sealing them together for some time until they calm down, after minutes/hours/days.

The omega getting pregnant from this is optional, as is any BDSM content.

I imagine it started with authors wanting to write gay porn and needing some 'we just had to fuck' justification to get their characters together. It generally seems to be a trope used by inexperienced young writers, though it's hard to tell if they're clueless about biology or just worse at inventing it.

Wikipedia will give you more info than you ever wanted. Or there's nearly a quarter of a million stories on AO3 with the tag "Alpha/Beta/Omega dynamics"...

 

[Kelliezgirl]

Woe... but we would find ourselves with the same divide that Kelliezgirl and I find between us.

Sniffle...

I don't judge you for drinking that stuff... much.