Supreme Court Declares Same-Sex Marriage Legal In All 50 States

[Sean Renaud]

My two cents on this:

The thing that irritates me is the same thing that irritated Justice Roberts. The will of the people was ignored here. Several states firmly had in place voted for amendments to the their constitutions. With this ruling that wipes out any pretense of individual "States Rights'. Which was one of the basic I was taught in school. Each was free to do things the way they saw fit. With this ruling we might as well get rid of all state laws and only have federal. That's what it seems to me.

On the flip side is the fact that since the ruling as tied to the 14th amendment this is ironically a win for gun rights activists. Now a concealed carry permit issued in one state must by virtue of this ruling be accepted in all states whether they like it or not.

The will of the people is irrelevant on many issues as well it should be. We didn't vote on freeing slaves, we sent an army and effectively said what Ronald Reagan are the scariest words in the world. "Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to help." And as long as you weren't a slave owner those words were not scary. We didn't vote to integrate schools, we. . .well we ended up sending the army again but that's not really the point.

We really should wipe out states rights and for the most part state laws and only have federal. That shit was only a good idea because (by comparison to most European nations depending on where we're counting Russia) America was a bit large to govern in the world of horses being needed to convey. Today if Obama so chooses he can communicate in nearly real time with the entire nation. Sure he couldn't answer if 330 million people all started posting to his Youtube but between tv, radio and youtube he can talk to us all at once. Different world, different rules.

No, a CCW issued in one state doesn't have to be accepted in every state now. It'd be intersting but the reason they used the 14th Amendment as the justification is it the Equal Protection Clause which in a nutshell says you can't discriminate in this country based on a list of "protected" people. Gun owners do not fall under that listing by any reasonable rationale.

 

[divacarolina]

Sorry people I'm still trying to find where it says something OTHER than marriage is between a man and a woman in the constitution of The United States.

14th amendment, where it says people are entitled to equality under the law. Presumably, us GBLT people.

I'm still trying to find in the Constitution where it says you're allowed to pee. Better hold it in just in case you're not allowed.

 

[zipman]

Just for once i would love if someone would explain how this effects them personally or there religion in any way.

Again how, what religious freedom has anybody lost in this country? I mean unless your talking about Muslims not being able to build Mosques because it might offend someone but lets be honest you weren't talking about them.

There is no answer because he (and the other whining idiots) haven't "lost" anything.

Nor does this decision impact them in any way whatsoever. At all.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There is no answer because he (and the other whining idiots) haven't "lost" anything.

Nor does this decision impact them in any way whatsoever. At all.

Exactly, the only thing this effects at all is homosexuals will now be seen with wedding rings. It doesn't stop them from criticizing it at all, it doesn't stop them from being haters.

However they should be able to provide an answer even if it's one that doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. While I think Obamacare is a good thing for the nation they can at least make the socialism bad, taxes are armed theft by the government, I don't owe anybody anything because I earned this with my two hands argument. Now none of that really holds up under any sort of scrutiny save maybe that taxes are armed theft by the government which is true(ish) in a technical sense but until and unless you're talking about shutting down the military and running it purely on donations we're haggling about the price not if taxes are a necessary evil.

 

[klippert]

well it's over the and the Nazis on the supreme court have spoken...So now can we all get back to real life. Roll up the rainbow flags...stop marching. Stop going to court...the court says it legal. Even made up some idea its constitutional, when my traditional marriage isn't...

so is it time to live and let live.. no more Rainbow pride...you're equal. Gay'mo marriage will help employers drop health care because the cost will skyrocket..

No longer is it necessary for Gay'mo'sexuals to run stealth attack on private business....or is it..

The court has opened Sodom's box...Predator gay men can now pursue minors, convince them its love and they can marry. Father can marry his daughter...woman can marry a horse.... sister marry sister, brother marry brother...

We are going to see a full court press from Militant Gay Inc. push for the destruction of Christianity....the next law suit is the same as Hitlers edicts to the church..."you can preach...only you won't preach from the Bible you won't pray to that Jew....you'll preach from the court order...and Pray to the Rainbow flag"


I'd like to be the first to thank the Supreme Court for the 5 royal fuck-ups for really REALLY fucking things up

 

[RjThoughts]

What happen this day may well be remembered as the point the USA really started to crumble.

What happen this day was something was made law that was not supported by the constitution or the will of the people.

I no longer know what to say to the people I counseled not to support secession because if all else failed, the SCOTUS would make sure the Constitution was enforced and justice would prevail.

I said it was unlikely we would have to go to extreme measures to keep our religious freedoms and that voting not violence was the way to go.

Well, at least for a while we still have the right to be wrong.


And one of our greatest freedoms was taken away from the people of the United States of America.

Which freedom was taken away? You're still allowed to have Straight Sex Marriage without fear of being sent to the FEMA camps.

 

[divacarolina]

The court has opened Sodom's box...Predator gay men can now pursue minors, convince them its love and they can marry. Father can marry his daughter...woman can marry a horse.... sister marry sister, brother marry brother...

you probably meant pandora's box. you'd probably benefit from re-reading your greek mythology, the obergefell decision... try reading in general.

 

[CaptainKirk]

well it's over the and the Nazis on the supreme court have spoken...So now can we all get back to real life. Roll up the rainbow flags...stop marching. Stop going to court...the court says it legal. Even made up some idea its constitutional, when my traditional marriage isn't...

so is it time to live and let live.. no more Rainbow pride...you're equal. Gay'mo marriage will help employers drop health care because the cost will skyrocket..

No longer is it necessary for Gay'mo'sexuals to run stealth attack on private business....or is it..

The court has opened Sodom's box...Predator gay men can now pursue minors, convince them its love and they can marry. Father can marry his daughter...woman can marry a horse.... sister marry sister, brother marry brother...

We are going to see a full court press from Militant Gay Inc. push for the destruction of Christianity....the next law suit is the same as Hitlers edicts to the church..."you can preach...only you won't preach from the Bible you won't pray to that Jew....you'll preach from the court order...and Pray to the Rainbow flag"


I'd like to be the first to thank the Supreme Court for the 5 royal fuck-ups for really REALLY fucking things up

You forgot the "...swarms of locusts and hordes of scorpions." and the "...hail raining down from a clear sky and burning as fire upon the ground.".

It just cracks me up watching you guys tying your dicks into knots and going from zero to extreme in under five seconds.

Mystifying.

 

[sr71plt]

I did like learning that Sodom had a box.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sigh. Conservatives think such stupid fucking things. Lets start at the top, there is nothing wrong with gay pride and no need to role up the flags. If people are going to literally parade around the Cleveland Cavaliers, Macy's Day Parade and various national celebrations like St. Patrick's day and Cinco De Mayo saying anything to gays about gay pride is pure ignorance. (To say nothing of until the day before yesterday there were still states flying the Confederate flag and for the most part nobody said shit to them.)

I don't really want employers providing health care. That was a mistake of the WWII generation that may have been a halfway decent idea at the time but isn't great now. But costs will not skyrocket.

No, predatory men cannot persue young boys and claim it's love. At least not any more than predatory men can pursue young girls and claim that it's love and marry them. And we don't seem to have crossed (well really gone back to that, it wasn't that long go that mid and even young teens were fairly routinely married.) that line no reason to fret now.

As much as I hate religion nobody is really that interesting in it's destruction. Nobody is handing down decrees of any sort.

The five Justices if they were doing their job didn't have a choice but to uphold gay marriage. The 14th Amendment says no discrimination.

Also it's repeated (well technically stated earlier)

Article IV, Section 1:

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

So if the judges were ruling on the Constitution they had no choice but to allow it and then just go on television and give a whiny speech about "my job is not to legislate, my job is to rule on if such and such goes against the Constitution and clearly discrimination and not accepting these contracts violates the Constitution in two ways. Don't like it? Write your Senators and Representatives and tell them it's time to change the Constitution because it no longer fits when the morals of this country.

 

[klippert]

you probably meant pandora's box. you'd probably benefit from re-reading your greek mythology, the obergefell decision... try reading in general.

sorry numb nut...I meant "sodom's" box....

 

[klippert]

You forgot the "...swarms of locusts and hordes of scorpions." and the "...hail raining down from a clear sky and burning as fire upon the ground.".

It just cracks me up watching you guys tying your dicks into knots and going from zero to extreme in under five seconds.

Mystifying.

how did i tie my dick in a not... i'm glad it's over... time to move on...since you're a super hero. tell me where the majority opinion has closed the door on religious protection or from some fuck-nut from marring a horse....

 

[klippert]

Which freedom was taken away? You're still allowed to have Straight Sex Marriage without fear of being sent to the FEMA camps.

who was sent to a FEMA camp... tell me this. Is Militant gay inc. content...are they closing the doors of their Lobby office in Washington ...are they finished. isn't this the Holy Grail.....Marriage of Adam and Steve. Not just Adam and Eve.

sorry the rainbow flag is morphing into a swastika.. don't doubt me... this is just one victory...there is a bigger target ... much bigger target.

 

[sr71plt]

how did i tie my dick in a not... i'm glad it's over... time to move on...since you're a super hero. tell me where the majority opinion has closed the door on religious protection or from some fuck-nut from marring a horse....

Is having your dick tied into a not more painful than having it tied into a knot?

Well, there are laws against bestiality, by the way, that no one is challenging. I hope now knowing that hasn't upset your lifestyle. Of course if you're marring the horse rather than marrying it, other laws would come into play. Hope that doesn't upset your lifestyle either.

 

[RjThoughts]

who was sent to a FEMA camp... tell me this. Is Militant gay inc. content...are they closing the doors of their Lobby office in Washington ...are they finished. isn't this the Holy Grail.....Marriage of Adam and Steve. Not just Adam and Eve.

sorry the rainbow flag is morphing into a swastika.. don't doubt me... this is just one victory...there is a bigger target ... much bigger target.

read your Bible: Adam and Lilith came before Adam and Eve!
Marriage was more a business transaction than of love!

And that bigger target is what: Making YOU get gay married?!

 

[RjThoughts]

Is having your dick tied into a not more painful than having it tied into a knot?

Well, there are laws against bestiality, by the way, that no one is challenging. I hope now knowing that hasn't upset your lifestyle. Of course if you're marring the horse rather than marrying it, other laws would come into play. Hope that doesn't upset your lifestyle either.

I find it hilarious that someone who's into porn is against Same Gender marriage.

 

[CaptainKirk]

how did i tie my dick in a not... i'm glad it's over... time to move on...since you're a super hero. tell me where the majority opinion has closed the door on religious protection or from some fuck-nut from marring a horse....

Protection for religion, or protection from religion?

And last I heard, horses aren't human beings and therefore have no protective rights with the exception of the ASPCA.

Your typing skills are atrocious, by the way.

 

[NYC_Man]

The deciding Judge. Just came out of the closet

Haha jk

 

[Sean Renaud]

who was sent to a FEMA camp... tell me this. Is Militant gay inc. content...are they closing the doors of their Lobby office in Washington ...are they finished. isn't this the Holy Grail.....Marriage of Adam and Steve. Not just Adam and Eve.

sorry the rainbow flag is morphing into a swastika.. don't doubt me... this is just one victory...there is a bigger target ... much bigger target.

Nobody was sent to a FEMA camp and Jade Helm failed to take over Texas or even make a move on them. I'm still curious where this Militant Gay Inc even is, I've never seen them and they have no reason to to close their doors. This isn't over yet.

Yeah there probably are some other targets but morphing into a swastika? First not everything it Nazis or Nazi related, it's highly improbable that gays will EVER have anything remotely similar to the power necessary to do anything of import to Christianity. Bad old science will make the magic go away but gays? What real power do they have when compared even with Muslims or Jews in this country and forget Christianity. The only thing holding Christianity in any sort of check is their collective "good will." It turns out that winning so hard that nobody can challenge you in any effective manner puts most people in a fairly forgiving mood most of the time.

 

[RjThoughts]

Nobody was sent to a FEMA camp and Jade Helm failed to take over Texas or even make a move on them. I'm still curious where this Militant Gay Inc even is, I've never seen them and they have no reason to to close their doors. This isn't over yet.

Yeah there probably are some other targets but morphing into a swastika? First not everything it Nazis or Nazi related, it's highly improbable that gays will EVER have anything remotely similar to the power necessary to do anything of import to Christianity. Bad old science will make the magic go away but gays? What real power do they have when compared even with Muslims or Jews in this country and forget Christianity. The only thing holding Christianity in any sort of check is their collective "good will." It turns out that winning so hard that nobody can challenge you in any effective manner puts most people in a fairly forgiving mood most of the time.

The Catholic church has acknowledged science, but the Protestants haven't. Change will come to Vatican over homosexuality, but slowly.

Think someone might be unsure of their own sexuality and is overcompensating?

 

[Sean Renaud]

The Catholic church has acknowledged science, but the Protestants haven't. Change will come to Vatican over homosexuality, but slowly.

Think someone might be unsure of their own sexuality and is overcompensating?

Change will come eventually simply because fewer and fewer people believe in God and organized religion. I honestly suspect the reported numbers of Christians in America is greatly exaggerated and that a lot of people just won't come out and admit they are either atheist or agnostic because it's not popular. I know I didn't tell my parents until I was in my mid twenties and even then I didn't so much tell them as not think about the fact that they were in the room. That's simply not a hill worth dying on you know?

But it's more than just the homosexuality thing. I think being taught that sex is dirty and not educating people leads to people making poor decisions. And this would be true to any field. I'd bet money that if accidental shootings plummet when you're dad pulls you aside at age 6 and explains this tool/weapon not a toy. If you see it out don't play with it. If for whatever reason you need to touch it this is a safety and how you can tell it's on. Never point this at something you're not ready to shoot/kill, keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to shoot/kill something. A little education goes a long fucking way. It doesn't prevent all accidents but a lot of them yeah it does.

 

[RjThoughts]

Change will come eventually simply because fewer and fewer people believe in God and organized religion. I honestly suspect the reported numbers of Christians in America is greatly exaggerated and that a lot of people just won't come out and admit they are either atheist or agnostic because it's not popular. I know I didn't tell my parents until I was in my mid twenties and even then I didn't so much tell them as not think about the fact that they were in the room. That's simply not a hill worth dying on you know?

But it's more than just the homosexuality thing. I think being taught that sex is dirty and not educating people leads to people making poor decisions. And this would be true to any field. I'd bet money that if accidental shootings plummet when you're dad pulls you aside at age 6 and explains this tool/weapon not a toy. If you see it out don't play with it. If for whatever reason you need to touch it this is a safety and how you can tell it's on. Never point this at something you're not ready to shoot/kill, keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to shoot/kill something. A little education goes a long fucking way. It doesn't prevent all accidents but a lot of them yeah it does.

Many Catholics in America, as I consider myself still one and my sister, cousins, etc, we don't agree much with Rome, especially when it comes to sex: homosexuality, contraception, etc.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Many Catholics in America, as I consider myself still one and my sister, cousins, etc, we don't agree much with Rome, especially when it comes to sex: homosexuality, contraception, etc.

It's a blanket statement. Though I'm not sure how you can be Catholic and disagree with Rome. I mean as someone on the news was pointing out if you truly believe in the Catholic religion the Pope is not some random dude in a funny hat. He's literally the closest thing to divinity on Earth.

However in truth my statement was about religion as whole and the general effect it has on how people fundamentally view the world. And I'm sure you were/are a good parent and pulled your kids aside for the talk if not prior to them hitting puberty at least prior to them having sex. You're a good and inteligent person but not everybody has those traits.

 

[RjThoughts]

It's a blanket statement. Though I'm not sure how you can be Catholic and disagree with Rome. I mean as someone on the news was pointing out if you truly believe in the Catholic religion the Pope is not some random dude in a funny hat. He's literally the closest thing to divinity on Earth.

However in truth my statement was about religion as whole and the general effect it has on how people fundamentally view the world. And I'm sure you were/are a good parent and pulled your kids aside for the talk if not prior to them hitting puberty at least prior to them having sex. You're a good and inteligent person but not everybody has those traits.

It's 2015, not 1955! That's how we can be Catholics in America. Sometimes, you just have to use common sense and not blindly be led by religion. That's the problem with these theocrats: They want their followers to be stupid

 

[Sean Renaud]

No argument there. Though I'm still a bit confused on how you can believe in X religion and not follow the main man. I mean if I believed in the Force you can damn well believe if Yoda said "Don't do that" I'd either stop doing that or go Sith. But we're getting off subject rather significantly.