Swedish FM: Israel irritating allies over Palestine recognition

[Dumpington]

Why do people hate Israel so much?

I mean, I can understand why the Ku Kux Klan or the American Nazis might hate Israel, what with all of the obvious anti-Semitism in play, but WHY are so many American liberals ALSO anti-Israeli?

Granted, Israel is a close ally of the United States, and so that alone might make a lot of "Blame America First" libs hate that nation. But Canada, Great Britain, and a lot of other western nations also have close ties to the U.S., and none of them are hated like Israel is.

And then there's the Palestinians. For century after century, the Palestinians have lived under the thumb of some conqueror occupying post-Jewish Palestine, from the Byzantines to the Islamic arabs, Fatamids, Ottomans, and finally the British - until 1947. In other words, the Palestinians have NEVER ruled in Palestine. So WHY are we blaming Israel for that?

While many liberals show fear and/or respect for the Islamic world, the Islamic world itself has never shown any particular respect for the Palestinians. Immediately following the 9/11 attacks on the U.S.A. many Palestinians were shown dancing for joy in the streets of Gaza and on the west bank. And during our conflicts with Saddam Hussein's Iraq, the Palestinians were firmly on the side of Iraq.

Is THAT why so many "Blame America First" political-progressives hate Israel and support the Palestinians? Because the enemy of their enemy is their friend? It really makes no sense.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's simple. Nobody hates Israel.

 

[Dumpington]

Sean Renaud wrote: "It's simple. Nobody hates Israel."

Well, that's certainly a relief!

So, there's no such thing as Islamic terrorism?

And President Obama was speaking the truth when he said that ISIS was "Al Qaeda's junior-varsity?"

I'm guessing that all of those ISIS atrocities we've seen were photo-shopped by the FOX News Channel just so that FOX could repeatedly kick the crap out of MSNBC & CNN in the ratings?

And the Democrats didn't REALLY get their asses handed to them in the 2014 elections, as was reported on FOX?

And maybe Secretary of State John Kerry DIDN'T really embarrass the United States by bringing James Taylor to Paris to sing "You've Got A Friend" to the French?

This is all starting to make sense, Sean!

 

[Beco]

It's simple. Nobody hates Israel.

Really?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sean Renaud wrote: "It's simple. Nobody hates Israel."

Well, that's certainly a relief!

So, there's no such thing as Islamic terrorism?

What's Islamic terrorism got to do with Israel? They are equal opportunity haters...doesn't count.

And President Obama was speaking the truth when he said that ISIS was "Al Qaeda's junior-varsity?"

Yep.....crush ISIS and a new group will emerge as ISIS's Jr too.

I'm guessing that all of those ISIS atrocities we've seen were photo-shopped by the FOX News Channel just so that FOX could repeatedly kick the crap out of MSNBC & CNN in the ratings?

Pretty much...no one gives a fuck but the spaztic RW. The people of Iraq got exactly what they asked for, not our fucking problem and shouldn't be our expense.

And the Democrats didn't REALLY get their asses handed to them in the 2014 elections, as was reported on FOX?

Kinda sorta? I mean gay marriage is spreading, and we legalized weed in two more states, decriminalized in a couple more and medicated even more...so the RW won some seats but they are loosing the whole "let's make it like 1820 again!!" war horribly.

And maybe Secretary of State John Kerry DIDN'T really embarrass the United States by bringing James Taylor to Paris to sing "You've Got A Friend" to the French?

This is all starting to make sense, Sean!

Those two are always embarrassing, what's it got to do with Israel?

 

[Liar]

Really?

Well, I wouldn't personally go that far. Hamas, as well as a handful of similar extremist groups, probably hates Israel. Otoh, as pointed out by the poster above me, they hate almost averything.

Nobody of the usual suspects here in the West that Likkud apologists accuse of hating Israel, hates Israel.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Back when we had real leaders, overwhelming force was our response too . . .

And it was often a bad idea then, too. Just ask all the Central American and Caribbean countries where the Marines intervened to make the world safe for United Fruit (all that long predates the Cold War).

 

[KingOrfeo]

And maybe Secretary of State John Kerry DIDN'T really embarrass the United States by bringing James Taylor to Paris to sing "You've Got A Friend" to the French?

Why was that a bad choice?

 

[unregistered]

 

[KingOrfeo]

And then there's the Palestinians. For century after century, the Palestinians have lived under the thumb of some conqueror occupying post-Jewish Palestine, from the Byzantines to the Islamic arabs, Fatamids, Ottomans, and finally the British - until 1947. In other words, the Palestinians have NEVER ruled in Palestine. So WHY are we blaming Israel for that?

Because the Israelis are the ones responsible for it now. They're the ones with settlements and IDF patrols all over the WB.

 

[Beco]

Because the Israelis are the ones responsible for it now. They're the ones with settlements and IDF patrols all over the WB.

How would you control a large population who want you dead? want your kids dead, and want your land. How do you do that?

 

[KingOrfeo]

How would you control a large population who want you dead? want your kids dead, and want your land. How do you do that?

Control them? I wouldn't try. I'd withdraw from their territory and fortify the border (which, in this case, is mostly to the west of the Wall, BTW.)

 

[Dumpington]

Botany Boy --- I don't remember seeing any stories EVER about Israeli's (Jewish Israeli's) strapping explosives around their teenagers and then sending them out to explode in a bus or a supermarket. It seems that only Muslims do that.

ISIS was created in Iraq when President Obama pulled American troops out EARLY so as to benefit his re-election campaign. He's a politician, NOT a statesman!

I like how you're putting a positive spin on the 2014 massacre of Democrat Party legislative power in America! I can't wait to see how you explain away 2016!

KingOrfeo --- The "bad choice" our president made was in selecting John Kerry to be our U.S. Secretary of State. The man is an international embarrassment.

Israel is an American ally, and the ONLY country in the region with a truly representative government. The Palestinians are controlled largely by terrorist groups like Hamas, whom former President Jimmy Carter said could be trusted. (Carter has also befriended the regime in North Korea, which deeply hates the United States and western civilization in general!)

 

[Sean Renaud]

Wow. Crushed.

 

[Liar]

Botany Boy --- I don't remember seeing any stories EVER about Israeli's (Jewish Israeli's) strapping explosives around their teenagers and then sending them out to explode in a bus or a supermarket. It seems that only Muslims do that.

Cus they don't have tanks and jets.

It's called assymetric warfare for a reason.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Botany Boy --- I don't remember seeing any stories EVER about Israeli's (Jewish Israeli's) strapping explosives around their teenagers and then sending them out to explode in a bus or a supermarket. It seems that only Muslims do that.

You're right they use some of the most state of the art weaponry on the fucking PLANET to do their killing. Killing with a joystick, thermoptics connected to M'urican built bad ass RC toys instead of RPG's, martyrs and IED's offers them no moral/ethical shelter.

ISIS was created in Iraq when President Obama pulled American troops out EARLY so as to benefit his re-election campaign. He's a politician, NOT a statesman!

Early? Where did you come up with that crock? We were there for like 8 fucking years, how long do you think we should stay there trying to change 12,000 years of culture and tradition with some freedumb fries??

What date exactly would have not been early??

I like how you're putting a positive spin on the 2014 massacre of Democrat Party legislative power in America! I can't wait to see how you explain away 2016!

Spin? Those are facts champ....you might still pull some good numbers from the baby boomer crowd with your economic vew dew and lore.

But y'all are getting your fuckin' ass's handed to you on the social front.....the internet fucking RUINED your bull fuckin' shit social agendas.

Gay marriage all over....pot is being legalized....people are starting to get pissed about cops randomly shooting black folks....freedom of religion is freaking you bible thumpers right the fuck out......the wars you champion as something other than the pointless money pits you guys can't wait to throw as much money into as absolutely possible (but in no way shape or form have any affiliation or economic interest in at all I'm sure) are less than popular to say the least.

The GOP better start jumping through their own assholes to make some economic magic happen......get some free market voodoo or whatever. Because if you don't? Republicans, the GOP and conservatism in America as you know it currently will die with the baby boomers.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I say this as a Republican.....the Democrats have little to offer but the same old rhetoric and propaganda, of course, but at least they are right on the social issues, with only a few exceptions. For young, low-information voters, that's all it takes. The GOP needs to move beyond social conservatism and then perhaps it will stand a chance. The religious right is dragging the rest of the party down, even more center-right guys like me.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I say this as a Republican.....the Democrats have little to offer but the same old rhetoric and propaganda, of course, but at least they are right on the social issues, with only a few exceptions. For young, low-information voters, that's all it takes. The GOP needs to move beyond social conservatism and then perhaps it will stand a chance. The religious right is dragging the rest of the party down, even more center-right guys like me.

Foreign Policy at it's heart is a social issue however.

 

[Beco]

Foreign Policy at it's heart is a social issue however.

What IS Obama's foreign policy? Other than, he seems to be anti war, sort of, he'll drone you to death or cut off your airspace, he doesnt appear to be anxious to put troops on the ground.

 

[BotanyBoy]

What IS Obama's foreign policy? Other than, he seems to be anti war, sort of, he'll drone you to death or cut off your airspace, he doesnt appear to be anxious to put troops on the ground.

Good question.

And why should we want to put tops on the ground?

 

[Sean Renaud]

What IS Obama's foreign policy? Other than, he seems to be anti war, sort of, he'll drone you to death or cut off your airspace, he doesnt appear to be anxious to put troops on the ground.

He outlined it pretty well in the SOTU actually. Lead through coalitions and pretty much don't be a massive prick. Otherwise take it as it comes. If you want to argue that it should be more specific than that I can't really argue for or against that.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Botany Boy --- I don't remember seeing any stories EVER about Israeli's (Jewish Israeli's) strapping explosives around their teenagers and then sending them out to explode in a bus or a supermarket.

Well, of course not. Why would they? In their present situation, what would be the point?

Not that there never was such thing as Israeli terrorism.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Foreign Policy at it's heart is a social issue however.

No, it's a national-interests issue. Abortion is a social issue, but has played little part -- some, but little -- in deciding how the U.S. is to relate to which other countries.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Good question.

And why should we want to put tops on the ground?

Because if you put them on a table they'll spin off the edge.

 

[KingOrfeo]

KingOrfeo --- The "bad choice" our president made was in selecting John Kerry to be our U.S. Secretary of State. The man is an international embarrassment.

I see nothing embarrassing in his record. Even his one "gaffe" (about Syrian gas weapons) turned out for the best.