Taxes do matter

[Amberchgo]

Finally, after being headquartered in Torrance, Calif., for half a century, Toyota has had enough of California’s anti-business, anti-growth policies and is packing its bags and moving to Plano, Texas, where the contrast couldn’t be greater. And Toyota is not alone in fleeing California.

The policy conclusion that leaps off the pages from these interstate-migration patterns is that Americans are voting with their feet against liberalism — high taxes and debt, heavy regulation, and union domination.

What do these losers have in common? Well, the four biggest losers are about the most politically liberal states in the nation,...


... A more reasonable conclusion is that tax rates really do affect incentives and decisions. Barack Obama and the New York Times may long for high taxes, but most Americans would rather avoid them. High taxes are also job killers, so Americans who are unemployed also tend to move away from high-tax states.​

Liberals in Washington who want to sock it to the rich have never been able to explain why voters are turning their backs on this big-government model, which has created anything but a worker’s paradise in the states.


http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...sper-or-decline-stephen-moore-arthur-b-laffer



Big Govt, Big taxes = Bad

 

[Mockingjay]

Also, population.

 

[Adre]

The policy conclusion that leaps off the pages from these interstate-migration patterns is that Americans are voting with their feet against liberalism — high taxes and debt, heavy regulation, and union domination.

Which explains why New York City is our most populous city and California is our most populous state, right?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I used to live in plano.....man are the Yoda employees going to be in a world of hurt in August/September LOL

OH and I bet yoda HQ was leased out before it was even vacated.

 

[Que]

Which explains why New York City is our most populous city and California is our most populous state, right?

it's about trends in migration..not what the raw population is.

California if not from the influx of persons from south of the border would have had a pretty dramatic reduction in population over the last couple of decades.

Considering the geography of California, the climate, the long oceanfront, it SHOULD be pulling the wealthy to it...the opposite is happening.

 

[Adre]

it's about trends in migration..not what the raw population is.

California if not from the influx of persons from south of the border would have had a pretty dramatic reduction in population over the last couple of decades.

Considering the geography of California, the climate, the long oceanfront, it SHOULD be pulling the wealthy to it...the opposite is happening.

Thanks for setting me straight. Don't know what I'd do without you.

 

[Que]

Thanks for setting me straight. Don't know what I'd do without you.

You are welcome.

 

[Que]

I used to live in plano.....man are the Yoda employees going to be in a world of hurt in August/September LOL

OH and I bet yoda HQ was leased out before it was even vacated.

Because of it's prime location?

I am only vaguely aware of residential Torrence from years ago. It seemed pretty upscale, bedroom community.

 

[Sean Renaud]

California also (formerly) had the most educated workforce in the nation. Since we've stopped funding our colleges it's become increasingly less true but it's not a coincidence that Silicon Valley is located in the same state that has the heavily subsidized education. Turns out you need those nerdy liberals to program your machines.

 

[Que]

I think what you mean is since despite the will of the voters, your university system continued to actively discriminate by gender and race...by sheer-coincidence that happened at about the time that the student body at large seemed to be comprised of persons who by innate qualities or self-selected choices did not seem to end up as graduates in the S.T.E.M, fields.

 

[Adre]

And those who would choose to live in Plano because of lower taxes, well they get what they deserve: Plano. I'll take California, thanks.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Finally, after being headquartered in Torrance, Calif., for half a century, Toyota has had enough of California’s anti-business, anti-growth policies and is packing its bags and moving to Plano, Texas, where the contrast couldn’t be greater. And Toyota is not alone in fleeing California.

The policy conclusion that leaps off the pages from these interstate-migration patterns is that Americans are voting with their feet against liberalism — high taxes and debt, heavy regulation, and union domination.

What do these losers have in common? Well, the four biggest losers are about the most politically liberal states in the nation,...


... A more reasonable conclusion is that tax rates really do affect incentives and decisions. Barack Obama and the New York Times may long for high taxes, but most Americans would rather avoid them. High taxes are also job killers, so Americans who are unemployed also tend to move away from high-tax states.​

Liberals in Washington who want to sock it to the rich have never been able to explain why voters are turning their backs on this big-government model, which has created anything but a worker’s paradise in the states.


http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...sper-or-decline-stephen-moore-arthur-b-laffer



Big Govt, Big taxes = Bad

CA....6th fastest growing and the largest economy and population.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...s-with-the-fastest-growing-economies/2416239/

....1000$/Sq Ft didn't happen in the bay area because no one wants to live here or no one can make money.....and LA/Daygo isn't much cheaper.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think what you mean is since despite the will of the voters, your university system continued to actively discriminate by gender and race...by sheer-coincidence that happened at about the time that the student body at large seemed to be comprised of persons who by innate qualities or self-selected choices did not seem to end up as graduates in the S.T.E.M, fields.

Nope. I meant exactly what I said. Educated people make better programmers than morons and it's not a coincidence that the state that was funding education got the nerd jobs, nor is is a coincidence that those jobs started slowing when we stopped.

The active discrimination didn't hurt anything. . .but we stopped it around the same time we stopped everything else and it fucked us. You mistakenly think that the system put people who didn't deserve their shot in school. It didn't. It was a tie breaker.

Also, not against the will of the people. We've voted for higher taxes a number of times because we like being California and being the leader of the nation.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Finally, after being headquartered in Torrance, Calif., for half a century, Toyota has had enough of California’s anti-business, anti-growth policies and is packing its bags and moving to Plano, Texas, where the contrast couldn’t be greater. And Toyota is not alone in fleeing California.

The policy conclusion that leaps off the pages from these interstate-migration patterns is that Americans are voting with their feet against liberalism — high taxes and debt, heavy regulation, and union domination.

What do these losers have in common? Well, the four biggest losers are about the most politically liberal states in the nation,...


... A more reasonable conclusion is that tax rates really do affect incentives and decisions. Barack Obama and the New York Times may long for high taxes, but most Americans would rather avoid them. High taxes are also job killers, so Americans who are unemployed also tend to move away from high-tax states.​

Liberals in Washington who want to sock it to the rich have never been able to explain why voters are turning their backs on this big-government model, which has created anything but a worker’s paradise in the states.


http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...sper-or-decline-stephen-moore-arthur-b-laffer



Big Govt, Big taxes = Bad

What's the difference between corporate taxes in California & Texas?

 

[BotanyBoy]

The active discrimination didn't hurt anything.

Except the people who were better performers and got bumped because of their skin color/genitals.

 

[Que]

And those who would choose to live in Plano because of lower taxes, well they get what they deserve: Plano. I'll take California, thanks.

A reasonable choice.

One can afford a lot of air-conditioning and pool service though for the differential in cost of living.

On the other hand you do get what you pay for when it comes to location.

20 years ago, Arizona was getting the first large-scale influx of Californians fleeing what was at that time rising real estate prices. Natives were complaining that the real estate prices were rising to fast in Arizona because the Californians, used to paying high prices, didn't know the "right' valuation for a property.

That was silly of course. It is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay. Californians had seen what the low end of the price curve looked like in their experience in California and were actually buying smart. Often for cash with just the equity they pulled out of their California homes.

Even then higher income taxes has a lot to do with the migration and it was not as bad as it is there now. It wasn't entirely that though., there were daily southwest commuter flights to LA. people actually commuted that way. It was quicker than some freeway commutes.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Except the people who were better performers and got bumped because of their skin color/genitals.

Being fair the people who got bumped were not better performers except in a magical super universe where everything was even. But point made. It also got money and education into the ghetto, we stopped too soon but hey shit happens and we do need slave labor.

 

[Que]

Being fair the people who got bumped were not better performers except in a magical super universe where everything was even. But point made. It also got money and education into the ghetto, we stopped too soon but hey shit happens and we do need slave labor.

"being fair'???

See..."leveling the playing field" is never done by trucking in good material...it is done by finding the high side and dragging it down...

SO pumping all that money into the ghetto at the expense of those who were demonstrably more qualified DID hurt California's educational system.

It improved the quantity of people enrolled in universities that had the preferred pigmentation and the preferred optional equipment packages. It also to a lesser extent improved the raw number of the "right' persons being labeled "college graduates" with degrees in various bullshit subjects. It did not increase the educational level of your population.

Your perception that Simi valley is populated with engineers from your fine California schools system is inaccurate.

The imported (male) engineers from Asia and India and the Mid-East mostly get their degrees in places like Texas A&M where their tuition dollars go farther.

Simi valley is not populated by black and female engineers that were FINALLY given a "fair shot"

and no spending more money on the failed experiment would not have changed that.

 

[Adre]

I lived in a high tax state for many years by choice, just as I live in the US by choice. I'm guessing the cost of living is lower in Somalia.

 

[Sean Renaud]

"being fair'???

See..."leveling the playing field" is never done by trucking in good material...it is done by finding the high side and dragging it down...

SO pumping all that money into the ghetto at the expense of those who were demonstrably more qualified DID hurt California's educational system.

It improved the quantity of people enrolled in universities that had the preferred pigmentation and the preferred optional equipment packages. It also to a lesser extent improved the raw number of the "right' persons being labeled "college graduates" with degrees in various bullshit subjects. It did not increase the educational level of your population.

Your perception that Simi valley is populated with engineers from your fine California schools system is inaccurate.

The imported (male) engineers from Asia and India and the Mid-East mostly get their degrees in places like Texas A&M where their tuition dollars go farther.

Simi valley is not populated by black and female engineers that were FINALLY given a "fair shot"

and no spending more money on the failed experiment would not have changed that.

Again, you're making the assumption that more qualified people were denied for not being the right race. They weren't.

I didn't know you were a sexist as well as a racist but thanks for coming out in the open.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Being fair the people who got bumped were not better performers except in a magical super universe where everything was even.

Did one kid receive a different test or something?? Same schools same test....what isn't even?

Home life? To bad so sad man...the line of academic performance has to be drawn somewhere and the fact that some think skin color/genitals are a more important line than performance and achievement is terribly sad and shameful.

But point made. It also got money and education into the ghetto, we stopped too soon but hey shit happens and we do need slave labor.

Funding is a different subject from performance = reward of advancement/achievement vs. skin color/genitals = reward of advancement/achievement entirely. If a shit hole school needs some funding to get cleaned up or w/e fine...I'm not against spending on education, I'm against holding better performers back because of their skin color/genitals. With our tech there is no reason admissions at state universities couldn't be totally color/gender blind. They can still gather all their sociological data post admissions but there is no reason gender or race should be involved in any way shape form or fashion. It would be a start...it would be progress.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Taxes DON'T Matter

Toyota denies taxes a reason for relocation

They wanted their executive offices closer to their manufacturing base in the southeastern United States.

Yet another massive fail for AmberWavesOfDerp!

 

[Que]

I lived in a high tax state for many years by choice, just as I live in the US by choice. I'm guessing the cost of living is lower in Somalia.

Equador.

It is today what Costa Rica was 20 years ago.

High tax states HAVE to pay better wages to offset the higher cost of living. Keep in mind that taxes are cumulative...your employer has to pay you enough to live and pay your high taxes, and so does everyone else's employer so all goods and services are more expensive.

If you get in early during this artificially induced inflationary spiral it can be a very good thing individually. But like all spirals at some point some portion of it's underpinnings becomes unstable.

Individual pockets of temporary prosperity like this is what drives the thinking on such issues as higher minimum wages, union scale wages and the like.

It does work on a micro-economic scale basis for a while, but inevitably it must succumb to external pressures whether that is an exploited population like the illegals that California thought they would ride on the backs of, a neighboring state hungrier for commerce, or the differential making importing goods an irresistible lure. You can only hold your finger in the dike so long if your wages are not sustainable in a world economy.

When companies can get a better standard of living for their employees at another location for far less cost, they will move...enough of them move and you have Detroit.

At least California can sell beach umbrellas to tourists.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

As Victor Davis Hanson has been pointing out for several years now, there are two Californias, just as I suspect there are two New Yorks, one is the high income liberal enclaves of the scenic coastal area and the other is in the valleys where agriculture predominates. By dent of population, one segment of California is doing well and voting in liberal ideas to rule the entire state while the others, suffering under increasing green mandate are being forced to take up arms as they are looted and over-run by immigrants and others forced out of areas where it is too costly to live.

 

[RobDownSouth]

As Victor Davis Hanson has been pointing out for several years now, there are two Californias, just as I suspect there are two New Yorks, one is the high income liberal enclaves of the scenic coastal area and the other is in the valleys where agriculture predominates. By dent of population, one segment of California is doing well and voting in liberal ideas to rule the entire state while the others, suffering under increasing green mandate are being forced to take up arms as they are looted and over-run by immigrants and others forced out of areas where it is too costly to live.

Good ole VD Hanson...tellin' the Chief what he wants to hear for years....