The 2nd Amendment...

[Comshaw]

Liberals have a different idea.

What happens when your neat little linear, pigeon hole ideas don't fit? Ignore it? Try to force a square peg into a round hole? Or just declare such things don't exist?

There are those who will never be able to figure out how to piss in a corner of a round room.


Comshaw

 

[BotanyBoy]

It gets dismissed because those complaining are a bunch of consericy whackos with have zero credibility. You may think you know the military, but so do I. I've been part of exercises just like that. Reserve (which is what this one is about) and National Guard units regularly do things like driver training. Hell we did a lot of training with equipment such as that all over Seattle in the early 80's. It was fun. And that's all it was training.

The claims are bullshit, plain and simple.


Comshaw

That's cool man, if you are cool with the training and plans to disarm citizens (that one is in public info in black and white btw, and they did it in New Orleans on tape, no conspiracy theory about it.) then there is nothing I can do about that but wish you well.

Send the national guard in to disarm and remove me from my private property? Not a problem....

PATRIOT act? You're a terrorist, bam civil rights gone... makes me nervous man...scared of my government and their ability to destroy my life at a whim.

 

[koalabear]

FEMA? Taking away guns? Did I miss something?

Yes, but that's no surprise. FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and local police and National Guard confiscate guns and weapons in New Orleans Louisiana in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.


Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, National Guard troops, and US Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[77][78] Even National Guard troops, armed with assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.[79]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[77]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[77] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[80]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[81] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQFTeBWvnA

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, but that's no surprise. FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency and local police and National Guard confiscate guns and weapons in New Orleans Louisiana in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.


Controversy arose over a September 8 city-wide order by New Orleans Police Superintendent Eddie Compass to local police, National Guard troops, and US Marshals to confiscate all civilian-held firearms. "No one will be able to be armed," Compass said. "Guns will be taken. Only law enforcement will be allowed to have guns." Seizures were carried out without warrant, and in some cases with excessive force; one instance captured on film involved 58 year old New Orleans resident Patricia Konie. Konie stayed behind, in her well provisioned home, and had an old revolver for protection. A group of police entered the house, and when she refused to surrender her revolver, she was tackled and it was removed by force. Konie's shoulder was fractured, and she was taken into police custody for failing to surrender her firearm.[77][78] Even National Guard troops, armed with assault rifles, were used for house to house searches, seizing firearms and attempting to get those remaining in the city to leave.[79]

Angered citizens, backed by the National Rifle Association and other organizations, filed protests over the constitutionality of such an order and the difficulty in tracking seizures, as paperwork was rarely filed during the searches. Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, defended the right of affected citizens to retain firearms, saying that, "What we’ve seen in Louisiana - the breakdown of law and order in the aftermath of disaster - is exactly the kind of situation where the Second Amendment was intended to allow citizens to protect themselves." The searches received little news coverage, though reaction from groups such as the NRA, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Gun Owners of America was immediate and heated, and a lawsuit was filed September 22 by the NRA and SAF on behalf of two firearm owners whose firearms were seized. On September 23, the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana issued a restraining order to bar further firearms confiscations.[77]

After refusing to admit that it had any seized firearms, the city revealed in mid-March that it did have a cache of some 1000 firearms seized after the hurricane; this disclosure came after the NRA filed a motion in court to hold the city in contempt for failure to comply with the U.S. District Court's earlier order to return all seized firearms. On April 14, 2006, it was announced that the city will begin to return seized firearms, however as of early 2008, many firearms were still in police possession, and the matter was still in court.[77] The matter was finally settled in favor of the NRA in October 2008. Per the agreement, the city was required to relax the strict proof of ownership requirements previously used, and was to release firearms to their owners with an affidavit claiming ownership and a background check to verify that the owner is legally able to possess a firearm.[80]

Louisiana legislator Steve Scalise introduced Louisiana House Bill 760, which would prohibit confiscation of firearms in a state of emergency, unless the seizure is pursuant to the investigation of a crime, or if the seizure is necessary to prevent immediate harm to the officer or another individual. On June 8, 2006, HB 760 was signed into law.[81] 21 other states joined Louisiana in enacting similar laws. A federal law prohibiting seizure of lawfully held firearms during an emergency, the Disaster Recovery Personal Protection Act of 2006, passed in the House with a vote of 322 to 99, and in the Senate by 84-16. The bill was signed into law by President Bush on October 9, 2006

CONSPIRACY THEORY!!!
http://theblackcommenter.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/finger-in-ears.jpg?w=630

Ok I'm done with this thread...later y'all.

 

[Liar]

Right to bear arms is a sign of a healthy society.
Enthusiasm to bear arms is the sign of a sick mind.

 

[slave_]

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Damn good flick with Christian Bale!

 

[BotanyBoy]

Damn good flick with Christian Bale!

Awesome isn't it? Ferinheight 451 is a classic story that I hope will be told for many years to come in many different formats. I just hope people understand how deeply it applies to the real world, so that they might recognize and fight oppression through censorship of the human mind at every corner, keeping it at bay.

 

[eyer]

Right to bear arms is a sign of a healthy society.
Enthusiasm to bear arms is the sign of a sick mind.

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

Let's see:

A Europuke statist's view on the subject...

...versus the undefeated and still reigning world champion of individual liberty.

Yeah...

...that's a hard one.

 

[blobfish]

Right to bear arms is a sign of a healthy society.
Enthusiasm to bear arms is the sign of a sick mind.

I gotta say, this is a ridiculous statement.

 

[Liar]

I gotta say, this is a ridiculous statement.

I gotta say, this is not a statement at all.

Do you have the right to walk around with a weapon? Good.
Do you realize the nessecity of doing so? Good.
Do you realize the nessecity of choosing said weapon with care, handling it with skill, sense and confidence? Good.
Do you take pride in doing just that? Good.
Do you enjoy walking around with a tool designed and constructed for harming people? Sorry, you are probably a nice guy and all, but that doesn't mean you're not also de facto fucked in the head.

 

[Liar]

Let's see:

A Europuke statist's view on the subject...

...versus the undefeated and still reigning world champion of individual liberty.

Yeah...

...that's a hard one.

A lot of history's great minds were mentally ill.

 

[coachdb18]

Do you enjoy walking around with a tool designed and constructed for harming people? Sorry, you are probably a nice guy and all, but that doesn't mean you're not also de facto fucked in the head.

I enjoy knowing that the only people that really care that I carry a firearm are the very ones that want the ability to do me harm without my ability to fuck them up for trying.

 

[unregistered]

 

[koalabear]

A lot of history's great minds were mentally ill.

and most killed themselves.

 

[koalabear]

Liar exposed!!!!!

http://now.msn.com/gopher-living-at-russian-space-launchpad

 

[blobfish]

I gotta say, this is not a statement at all.

Do you have the right to walk around with a weapon? Good.
Do you realize the nessecity of doing so? Good.
Do you realize the nessecity of choosing said weapon with care, handling it with skill, sense and confidence? Good.
Do you take pride in doing just that? Good.
Do you enjoy walking around with a tool designed and constructed for harming people? Sorry, you are probably a nice guy and all, but that doesn't mean you're not also de facto fucked in the head.

Oh, I see what you meant now. I don't entirely agree, because some people use guns for non-murderous recreation, but I see where you're coming from.

 

[unregistered]

 

[eyer]

A lot of history's great minds were mentally ill.

Your mental handicap is thinking they're ill, not you...

...how 'bout going through the OP list of quotes and tell us - specifically - which of those great minds were mentally ill compared to yours?

The very genesis of a lemming is one who politically outsources his own self-defense...

 

[loquere]

This is a debate that needs to be resolved by using facts figures and the understanding of the constitution by way of proper interpretation!

 

[blobfish]

This is a debate that needs to be resolved by using facts figures and the understanding of the constitution by way of proper interpretation!

We might have to go outside of the GB.

 

[coachdb18]

This is a debate that needs to be resolved by using facts figures and the understanding of the constitution by way of proper interpretation!

There is no debate, and the issue has already been resolved, it's called the US Constitution. Interpretation of the Second Amendment has been done in the
Supreme Court, and the result was overwhelmingly in favor of the individuals right to bear arms, not just as members of a militia.

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Thursday ruled for the first time that the 2nd Amendment explicitly protects Americans' right to own guns for self-defense -- resolving one of the Constitution's oldest disputes and reviving the debate over gun rights, crime and violence.

The landmark decision struck down a District of Columbia ordinance, the strictest in the nation, that barred homeowners from keeping handguns. The ruling brought immediate court challenges to similar laws in Chicago and San Francisco.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/27/nation/na-scotus27

 

[Liar]

Please, wet your pants on your own side of the pond, thanks.

Had I known it was this easy to get weapon fetishists' panties in a bunch, I'd have done it years ago.

 

[coachdb18]

Had I known it was this easy to get weapon fetishists' panties in a bunch, I'd have done it years ago.

Squirrels make easy targets...

 

[Liar]

Oh, I see what you meant now. I don't entirely agree, because some people use guns for non-murderous recreation, but I see where you're coming from.

Taget shootin' (or for that matter hunting) and packing heat are different things. I'm talking about the latter here.

 

[Liar]

Your mental handicap is thinking they're ill, not you...

...how 'bout going through the OP list of quotes and tell us - specifically - which of those great minds were mentally ill compared to yours?

The very genesis of a lemming is one who politically outsources his own self-defense...

None of those quotes disagree with what I said. Not even, on second read, the one from Jefferson that you repeated. You threw me off there in your feeble attempt at rebuttal by pretending you actually understand what he said.

So my bad, Jefferson was not (to my knowledge) mentally ill.