The Alien Enemies Act - 1798

[Hel_Books]

I think Bondi would be a super star if she did it.

Conspiracy to overthrow the Government, Sedition, and we're seeking the death penalty would be a great place to start.

You sound just like the people in Turkey throwing a political opponent into prison!

His detention Wednesday morning sparked the largest wave of street demonstrations in Turkey in more than a decade, with large crowds gathering outside city hall for the fifth night in a row. It also deepened concerns over democracy and rule of law in Turkey. His imprisonment is widely regarded as a political move

You really want to go down the road the Islamofascists have taken? Besides, what makes you think these tactics would be used only against people you don't like?

 

[HisArpy]

You sound just like the people in Turkey throwing a political opponent into prison!

His detention Wednesday morning sparked the largest wave of street demonstrations in Turkey in more than a decade, with large crowds gathering outside city hall for the fifth night in a row. It also deepened concerns over democracy and rule of law in Turkey. His imprisonment is widely regarded as a political move

You really want to go down the road the Islamofascists have taken? Besides, what makes you think these tactics would be used only against people you don't like?

The difference is that my thoughts are based on my reading of the applicable United States law.

I kept wondering where your ideas come from until I realized men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and your ideas are from Uranus.

 

[Politruk]

^this from a guy who thinks his opinion trumps someone else's opinion.

Opinions are like assholes: Everybody's got one, but mine is better than all the others.

 

[Hel_Books]

The difference is that my thoughts are based on my reading of the applicable United States law.

I kept wondering where your ideas come from until I realized men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and your ideas are from Uranus.

So cute, like a fourteen-year-old finding naughty words in the dictionary!

 

[ll74]

From the SCOTUS

The Act doesn't require a declaration of war. Also no federal court can review an action taken under the Act. That's not me saying that but the SCOTUS:


Ludecke V Watkins 335 US 160 (1948)

MR. JUSTICE FRANKFURTER delivered the opinion of the Court.


The Fifth Congress committed to the President these powers:


"Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized, in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed, on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject...

"The act concerning alien enemies, which confers on the president very great discretionary powers respecting their persons," Marshall, C.J., in Brown v. United States, 8 Cranch 110, 12 U. S. 126, "appears to me to be as unlimited as the legislature could make it." Washington, J., in Lockington v. Smith, 15 Fed.Cas. No. 8448 at p. 760. The very nature of the President's power to order the removal of all enemy aliens rejects the notion that courts may pass judgment upon the exercise of his discretion. [Footnote 7] This view was expressed by Mr. Justice Iredell shortly after the Act was passed, Case of Fries, 9 Fed.Cas. No. 5126, and every judge before whom the question has since come has held that the statute barred judicial


Page 335 U. S. 165


review. [Footnote 8] We would so read the Act if it came before us without the impressive gloss of history.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/335/160/

You keep skipping the "by any foreign nation or government" part...even though you put it in bold every time.

No nation or government is invading our country nor is any government or nation engaged in war with us.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

^this from a guy who thinks his opinion trumps someone else's opinion.

Aren’t you saying that your opinion somehow trumps the judge on this case?

 

[HisArpy]

So cute, like a fourteen-year-old finding naughty words in the dictionary!

Here's the thing you're not getting; they're here ILLEGALLY.

Rebut that instead of tossing your feces at everything and thinking you're more clever than a monkey for doing it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

^ someone hasn't been following the news.

There have been tens of thousands of "military aged single males" from China. Millions of the same from Mexico and S. America nations. More from shitholes. Even more refugees from the Middle East who ascribe ONLY to Allah and Muslim law over US law. They are criminals, rapists, murderers, gang members and then some.

These aren't poor starving women with children who are being persecuted in their home countries, they're SINGLE, MILITARY AGED, MALES who are fit and well fed and who come from nations which are avowed enemies of the US. They chant Death To America in OUR STREETS.

And you protect them over your fellow neighbors and citizens. Because why exactly?

So are you now arguing that citizens are "nations" or governments"?
If I declare Canada is at war, does that make it an official Canadian act?

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Here's the thing you're not getting; they're here ILLEGALLY.

Again, legal, or illegal, are they "nations" or "governments"? Yes or no?

Rebut that instead of tossing your feces at everything and thinking you're more clever than a monkey for doing it.

LOL, a Rebuttal worth of a laugh.

 

[HisArpy]

So are you now arguing that citizens are "nations" or governments"?
If I declare Canada is at war, does that make it an official Canadian act?

What the fuck are you talking about?

The word "invasion" has a definition; go look it up and see if it's applicable to what I said.

 

[HisArpy]

You keep skipping the "by any foreign nation or government" part...even though you put it in bold every time.

No nation or government is invading our country nor is any government or nation engaged in war with us.

So you say...

 

[HisArpy]

Aren’t you saying that your opinion somehow trumps the judge on this case?

I'm saying THE LAW is what trumps everyone's "opinion."

 

[HisArpy]

Opinions are like assholes: Everybody's got one, but mine is better than all the others.

Well, I'm glad YOU think so. Unfortunately, your consensus of one isn't sufficient to rebut the multitude of sensory facts from everyone else.

 

[ll74]

So you say...

Objective facts.

 

[HisArpy]

Objective facts.

So you say...

 

[ll74]

So you say...

Lol .... Which nation is at war or is invading us? Be specific and provide citations

 

[HisArpy]

Lol .... Which nation is at war or is invading us? Be specific and provide citations

Is it actually a requirement? Or just your idea that it is because you prefer the anti-Trump talking points over truth?

 

[ll74]

Is it actually a requirement?

The law mentions it as a qualification.

Or just your idea that it is because you prefer the anti-Trump talking points over truth?

Is there any ambiguity in the language? Nope

 

[HisArpy]

The law mentions it as a qualification.


Is there any ambiguity in the language? Nope

MY suggestion is that you should go read the actual law. Do it without the lens of bias in front of your eyes and pay attention to the punctuation. Have a dictionary handy in case you need something to explain what the words actually mean instead of what you'd like them to mean.

You won't, because you prefer the stupid version put out as political rhetoric instead of truth, but you should.

 

[ll74]

MY suggestion is that you should go read the actual law.

I did. It mentions a nation or government either invading or declaring war.

Do it without the lens of bias in front of your eyes and pay attention to the punctuation.

Yep

Have a dictionary handy in case you need something to explain what the words actually mean instead of what you'd like them to mean.

So you agree that no nation or government is invading or at war with us.

You won't, because you prefer the stupid version put out as political rhetoric instead of truth, but you should.

You're the one ignoring language.

 

[HisArpy]

I did. It mentions a nation or government either invading or declaring war.

Yes it does. Now read the other bits.

Yep

So you agree that no nation or government is invading or at war with us.

No. I fully understand that "Official Foreign Government Involvement" isn't required to invoke the Act. YOU want to make it one but that's a misreading of the Act.

Go do what I suggested and learn why.

You're the one ignoring language.

Lol, says the guy insisting that his reading of the Act, while omitting words and punctuation, is the correct version of what it means.

Basically you've taken another one of your ridiculously obstinate stances in which you deny and decry reality no matter how much proof is shown to you. You need to get over it and understand that's why you and your political preferences are in the hole you're in.

 

[ll74]

Yes it does. Now read the other bits.

No. I fully understand that "Official Foreign Government Involvement" isn't required to invoke the Act. YOU want to make it one but that's a misreading of the Act.

Go do what I suggested and learn why.

Lol, says the guy insisting that his reading of the Act, while omitting words and punctuation, is the correct version of what it means.

Basically you've taken another one of your ridiculously obstinate stances in which you deny and decry reality no matter how much proof is shown to you. You need to get over it and understand that's why you and your political preferences are in the hole you're in.

Of course

The use of the act is to bypass due process. None of the migrants are unable to be deported currently without the use of the act.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

What the fuck are you talking about?

The word "invasion" has a definition; go look it up and see if it's applicable to what I said.

I'm aware of the word invasion and it's meaning. I'm asking about the people. Are they people, or "nations and or government". Yes or no.

 

[whiskeytangofoxtrot]

Derpy doesn't know how to define terms, he just likes to use them to try impress the cult followers.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

I'm saying THE LAW is what trumps everyone's "opinion."

So now we don’t need the Judicial branch according to you since “the law” is indisputable.