The American people demand extreme vetting

[Hard_Rom]

I always picture a bunch of native Americans (real native Americans) sitting around a fire as a ship sails into view.

"Another boatload of those disease ridden, murdering, raping, thieving bastards with their strange religion."

 

[BotanyBoy]

I heard there's a rock in Connecticut somewhere that all of those diseased pale-skinned fugees looking for a new life stepped on when they first landed. You might've heard of it...but definitely sure it wasn't a cheese slice of uranium ore!

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More conquerors than refugees....settlers if you want to be polite about it.

But OK!! Let's roll with that.

How did that turn out for the locals that took them in????


Right....

It was a stupid fucking decision then and it's a stupid fucking decision now.

Why in the fuck should we let much less bring anyone in that isn't 100% jazz fingers level of excited with positive vibes to be an American citizen??

I'll take the sick illiterate fuck who want's to be American enough to integrate and be a productive citizen. No problem let's take the top however many applicants.

But the "Death to America, death to the west!!" rats fleeing the ship because Islam fuckin' wrecked that bitch? Fuck every one of them.

Germany has a big bleeding heart let them deal with it.

I have no desire and see no good reason to import that poison into our society.

 

[Chris_Michael]

I always picture a bunch of native Americans (real native Americans) sitting around a fire as a ship sails into view.

"Another boatload of those disease ridden, murdering, raping, thieving bastards with their strange religion."

Yeah, well I just referenced one of the Four Horsemen, an author of the top selling books about atheism. He discusses the inherent evil of all religion, including Christianity. Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and the late Christopher Hitchens are/were all in a push for logic and reason. We live in an age of stupid people who believes that they literally eat the body of Christ (actual body) when they eat their ritual cracker. At the same time, this religion protects pedophiles and preaches against the use of condoms in Africa, where HIV is heavily present.

So yeah, religion is fucking bullshit. I say that every day. By the way, your Islamic brethren were right alongside the white man, finding ways to justify slavery using holy books.

So, I'm an atheist. I hate religion. Religion kills reason. Unfortunately, I'm too fucking busy worried about terrorist attacks to think about our own country's legislation regarding LGBT+ rights, abortion, and scientific research. More and more atheists find themselves covering for conservatives because the left has gone off its hinges. And you can assert that that is untrue all you'd like. I'll just reassert that you're blinded by political correctness, cultural "virtue", and the need to use racism/sexism/xenophobia as a tool to shut down any kind of discission.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack are about the same as being hit by an asteroid, winning the lottery and getting killed at an amusement park.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I am an atheist who has adopted pagan symbolism. It's a Jungian thing.

 

[sharingfantasies]

I heard there's a rock in Connecticut somewhere that all of those diseased pale-skinned fugees looking for a new life stepped on when they first landed and spread all the Old World spores and bacterium chompin' down on fresh meat. You might've heard of it...but definitely sure it wasn't a cheese slice of uranium ore!

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You would have better luck finding your rock in Massachusetts.

 

[phrodeau]

Yeah that's not the point. The point is that this woman who was an advisor to Obama on ethics clearly was delusional about religion and morals.

We have to sit down and have a reasonable discussion about how to stop these terrorist attacks, but the far nut job left uses Islamophobia and the "Not All" argument to shut down any form of solution.

Sam Harris did not say this, but I will. The same goes for the African American community and violent crimes. Black-on-black crime... why would you NOT want to at least budge on that so that we can attempt to fix the problem? Is it RACIST?

What terrorist attacks do you need to stop? The threat is not serious in the US.

 

[phrodeau]

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Why in the fuck should we let much less bring anyone in that isn't 100% jazz fingers level of excited with positive vibes to be an American citizen??

That is exactly how I feel about Trump's cabinet picks. Let's have that test for them.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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[Chris_Michael]

What terrorist attacks do you need to stop? The threat is not serious in the US.

I bet Germany felt the same way before all the refugees got there...

 

[Chris_Michael]

The chance of being killed in a terrorist attack are about the same as being hit by an asteroid, winning the lottery and getting killed at an amusement park.

That's a wonderful argument for a barbaric religion who gets rewarded eternally for killing infidels as a martyr.

But you're right. I should really just worry about problems that are more concerning to me personally. I'm much more likely to get shot and killed by a black man.

Actually, black men are more likely to get shot by black men. Silly me. Perhaps I should grab some popcorn as I watch the Savannah nightly news. Because unlike *most* people on this forum, I live in a city with actual black people in it. Some people here have only lived in areas where there are no black people at all.

Perhaps search Savannah Morning News 24 hour bookings. Take a look at the people doing the violent crime. Hint: It's mostly black people. Actually, black people make up most of the crime on that site. Maybe the police only arrest black people. I just have my wonderful white privilege. It's like royalty!

 

[phrodeau]

I bet Germany felt the same way before all the refugees got there...

Refugees are less likely to be terrorists than the native population. That's true of every country, including Germany.

So mathematically, the more refugees you accept, the lower percentage of terrorists you'll have.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That is exactly how I feel about Trump's cabinet picks. Let's have that test for them.

We have elections, not tests.

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Still talking about people who wanted to be American, not hostile haters.

Also a different time, long before the welfare state was here to give benefits to anyone and everyone who would show up.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Americans are more likely to be killed by Americans. To the tune of 10K every year by the gun.

 

[Chris_Michael]

Refugees are less likely to be terrorists than the native population. That's true of every country, including Germany.

So mathematically, the more refugees you accept, the lower percentage of terrorists you'll have.

Americans are more likely to be killed by Americans. To the tune of 10K every year by the gun.

Well, how about this? I'll go into every Christian church in my city and draw Jesus. You go to one Mosque and draw Mahunmad. I bet you wont be singing the same tune.

I'm not saying you'll get killed. I'm just interested in what actually does happen. If this were a Muslim country, though, you'd be killed on the spot.

I could draw Jesus fucking Mother Mary as she's sucking Satan off, and the worst that would happen is they'd call the police. But I wouldn't be scared for my life.

 

[phrodeau]

So you figure that the guys who drew swastikas on mosques were probably dealt swift justice from the congregation?

It's more likely that the swastika guys are now awaiting confirmation in Trump's cabinet.

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's more likely that the swastika guys are now awaiting confirmation in Trump's cabinet.

And even more likely they were wearing "I'm with her!" shirts, pins, hats AND bumper stickers.

 

[KingOrfeo]

So, does anyone see any reason why Trump's cabinet nominees should have their confirmation hearings before their ethics reviews are complete?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Anybody?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Chuck Schumer nails it.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

We don't have elections for Cabinet picks. We have a.) a vetting process and b.) Senate confirmation.

That makes it closer to a "test" than any kind of election. Among other things, the FBI WILL be looking for anything that could question loyalty to the US.

Not that it matters, because this time, we have a bum rush through a Republican Congress who are not getting vetted nominees. Trump was too busy with Twitter to submit his pick for Homeland Security for a background check.

The Republicans won't care. They're too eager to take Health Care away from women to give a shit if Rex Tillerson or Trump have ties with Russia. They won't care that Tillerson has said "national interests are not his concern."

We have elections, not tests.



Still talking about people who wanted to be American, not hostile haters.

Also a different time, long before the welfare state was here to give benefits to anyone and everyone who would show up.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We don't have elections for Cabinet picks.

We elect the person doing the picking and the people confirming them.

The Republicans won't care. They're too eager to take Health Care away from women

It's not just from women you bigot.

to give a shit if Rex Tillerson or Trump have ties with Russia.

Why should they?

They won't care that Tillerson has said "national interests are not his concern."

Why should they?

They aren't and shouldn't be.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

No shit, but it's not a free pass, duh. That's why we have the VETTING PROCESS and SENATE VOTE, in addition.

We elect the person doing the picking and the people confirming them.

I didn't say it was, you blind moron.

It's not just from women you bigot.

If I have to explain it to you, you're beyond hope.

But anyway, it's standard procedure to look for loans, business contracts, indebtedness to foreign countries.

Why should they?

Because Tillerson is up for Secretary of State.

The should, and they WOULD, if they were given adequate time.

Do you know why Tom Daschle wasn't confirmed for HHS in 2008, or Bill Richardson for Secretary of Commerce?

Look it up. You might be able to answer your own questions.

Why should they?

They aren't and shouldn't be.[/QUOTE]

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Republicans won't care. They're too eager to take Health Care away from women to give a shit if Rex Tillerson or Trump have ties with Russia. They won't care that Tillerson has said "national interests are not his concern."

Why should they?

Because he's going to be Secretary of State.

 

[JackLuis]

Can we really vet them with out water boarding? I mean if they are like Trumpikins, they are probably lying at every turn!