The American people demand extreme vetting

[phrodeau]

Can we really vet them with out water boarding? I mean if they are like Trumpikins, they are probably lying at every turn!

In the case of Jeff Sessions, he's definitely lying.

http://www.npr.org/2017/01/09/50901...earings-within-a-month-in-1986-show-two-sides

 

[BotanyBoy]

No shit, but it's not a free pass, duh. That's why we have the VETTING PROCESS and SENATE VOTE, in addition.

Right, the vetting process is partisan fuckery and those are all elected officials.

You make your choice when you elect your representative.

I didn't say it was, you blind moron.

Yea you did.

They're too eager to take Health Care away from women

You're full of shit.

They are not trying to take HC away from women, they want to not pay for anyone's healthcare except their own.

There is a HUGE difference between 'pay for your own shit' and 'you're no longer allowed to have any of that shit'.

If you can't understand that basic fundamental difference, you're beyond hope.

Because Tillerson is up for Secretary of State.

Because he's going to be Secretary of State.

So? Why should we freak out over his relations with Russia?

Why should we care if he gives a shit about our national interest?

The position has been nothing but big pimpin' for years!!! Why is it all of a sudden so fucking unreal that we would get something other than a corporate pimp whoring out America for team (D)/(R) in that spot?

NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!! Except who might be getting paid.......not green energy......

OH THE TRAVESTY! How dare (R) get in on (D)'s gravy!!! Is all this is really about.

 

[phrodeau]

With Botany Boy so adamantly posting that it doesn't matter, I'm starting to suspect that it really does.

 

[BotanyBoy]

With Botany Boy so adamantly posting that it doesn't matter, I'm starting to suspect that it really does.

That's because it's the only argument for it mattering that you can come up with.....which should tell you something about your position on the issue.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Me: They want to take health care away from women.

You: it's not just women, you bigot

Me: I didn't say it was.

I didn't say they wanted to take health care away ONLY from women, did I?

I'll say it again: They want to take health care away from women

Look, if you want to be Paul Ryan's butt boy, go right ahead. Whatever he tells you, just regurgitate it back to us, but it's boring, we can hear what he says ourselves.

If you DON'T believe in the ideological agenda of the Fundies, that's your choice, go right ahead, but don't try and palm off their twaddle

Right, the vetting process is partisan fuckery and those are all elected officials.

You make your choice when you elect your representative.



Yea you did.



You're full of shit.

They are not trying to take HC away from women, they want to not pay for anyone's healthcare except their own.

There is a HUGE difference between 'pay for your own shit' and 'you're no longer allowed to have any of that shit'.

If you can't understand that basic fundamental difference, you're beyond hope.








So? Why should we freak out over his relations with Russia?

Why should we care if he gives a shit about our national interest?

The position has been nothing but big pimpin' for years!!! Why is it all of a sudden so fucking unreal that we would get something other than a corporate pimp whoring out America for team (D)/(R) in that spot?

NOTHING HAS CHANGED!!! Except who might be getting paid.......not green energy......

OH THE TRAVESTY! How dare (R) get in on (D)'s gravy!!! Is all this is really about.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I didn't say they wanted to take health care away ONLY from women, did I?

Specifying women is a direct implication that no men are looking at loosing their HC welfare due to GOP actions, which is total bullshit.

And nobody is taking away any HC. The HC is STILL available.

I'll say it again: They want to take health care away from women

No they don't, they want people to pay for their own HC, and it's not just women.

Look, if you want to be Paul Ryan's butt boy, go right ahead. Whatever he tells you, just regurgitate it back to us, but it's boring, we can hear what he says ourselves.

I haven't read anything about Paul Ryan or what he's up to. I don't care.

If you DON'T believe in the ideological agenda of the Fundies, that's your choice, go right ahead, but don't try and palm off their twaddle

I'm not palming off anything, I'm calling you on your insane bullshit.

Nobody is taking HC away from women. They are trying to defund all HC except for themselves and the military.

There is a huge difference between the two.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Still talking about people who wanted to be American, not hostile haters.

Yeah, but who decides who wants to be American and who's a hostile hater exactly?

Using objective-based reasoning, natcherly.

Also a different time, long before the welfare state was here to give benefits to anyone and everyone who would show up.

Mmm. So the Statue of Liberty's raison d'etre is outdated, you mean.

Mebbe the Constitution and all those other assorted yellowing parchments from even backer back in the day are the same way, yah? Think it's high time for a do-over? Like some real tabula rasa shit?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yeah, but who decides who wants to be American and who's a hostile hater exactly?

Using objective-based reasoning, natcherly.

Well, asking would be a good start.

Anything but a positive response about America? Fuck em'!

Mmm. So the Statue of Liberty's raison d'etre is outdated, you mean.

Yes and no.

Yes because we've changed with time, no because it doesn't have to be that way and we can go back to being that place.

But it's price is steep....no nanny state.

Can't have a nanny state without very strict and controlled immigration. Even with that in place it's a god damn challenge in both integrity and morality to keep that nanny state from eating itself alive with greed and power mongering.

Mebbe the Constitution and all those other assorted yellowing parchments from even backer back in the day are the same way, yah? Think it's high time for a do-over? Like some real tabula rasa shit?

Sure, and replace it with what though?

What would you like to see done?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Oh, I IMPLIED it.

Kind of like Trump IMPLIED people should exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights against Hillary?

NO desire to argue this point. You're a completely insane idiot if you don't understand the ideological reasons they want to de-fund Planned Parenthood. And you're entitled to that opinion, go for it.

Specifying women is a direct implication that no men are looking at loosing their HC welfare due to GOP actions, which is total bullshit.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh, I IMPLIED it.

That's what specifying a specific group of people (women) in exclusion of everyone else effected by the GOP's policy stance does yes.

Kind of like Trump IMPLIED people should exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights against Hillary?

No that's what you want to read into, he never implied "people should exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights against Hillary".

If you think he did you should learn to speak English because your comprehension level is shit.

You're a completely insane idiot if you don't understand the ideological reasons they want to de-fund Planned Parenthood.

It's not just PP, you can't make this issue all about PP, because it's about public HC services at large.

What don't you understand about that?

This isn't just about women's HC, you bigot.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I don't see why you're bleating on.

It's a difference of opinion between you and I; you're welcome to yours, have at it.

You want to close your eyes to the Christian Right, by all means do that, I don't give a shit

That's what specifying a specific group of people (women) in exclusion of everyone else effected by the GOP's policy stance does yes.



No that's what you want to read into, he never implied "people should exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights against Hillary".

If you think he did you should learn to speak English because your comprehension level is shit.



It's not just PP, you can't make this issue all about PP, because it's about public HC services at large.

What don't you understand about that?

This isn't just about women's HC, you bigot.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bb/9a/de/bb9ade9ccf0784307fb37a2c0dba3090.jpg

I think it is a historical lesson we should learn all too well....You can lose your country if you allow too many foreigners in that destroy your culture. I know about the past and you can't change it, but it is about how you handle the future. Also look at how reservations are run by the government, and remember this is what socialists are aspiring too.

 

[JawnKarTurr]

It's a difference of opinion between you and I; you're welcome to yours, have at it.



Now that is funny....

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't see why you're bleating on.

It's a difference of opinion between you and I; you're welcome to yours, have at it.

You want to close your eyes to the Christian Right, by all means do that, I don't give a shit

It's not an opinion, it's a fact and you don't get to have your own facts.

I'm not closing my eyes to the Christian Right, I'm trying to open yours.

They aren't just attacking women's HC, they are after ALL HC....for EVERYONE.

Why are you so bigoted you can't understand that?

 

[phrodeau]

Righties want to deny you health insurance, lefties want to steal all of your guns, and the government wants to take away your right to grow your own pot and post on the internet all day.

What's so hard to understand about BotanyBoy's position?

 

[Carnal_Flower]

No

Their issues with PP go waaaay back. They want to do away with it because, mainly, women can kill all the little babies they want, and because they can get birth control.

In fact it's pretty sneaky what They're doing now, sweeping it in with Obamacare repeal, as if it's all just part of "Health Care" and not the same old Fundie witch hunt that's been going on forever

You're just blathering on as an apologist for that little sleight of hand

They have always been after PP because of abortion, mainly, but then of course a general hatred of women on the Christian Right.

And once again, they want to deny health care to women

QUOTE=BotanyBoy;83054048]It's not an opinion, it's a fact and you don't get to have your own facts.

I'm not closing my eyes to the Christian Right, I'm trying to open yours.

They aren't just attacking women's HC, they are after ALL HC....for EVERYONE.

Why are you so bigoted you can't understand that? [/QUOTE]

 

[phrodeau]

Meanwhile, here is Sen. Al Franken slowly tightening the screws on Sen. Jeff Sessions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnPV69JqHK4

 

[BotanyBoy]

Righties want to deny you health insurance, lefties want to steal all of your guns, and the government wants to take away your right to grow your own pot and post on the internet all day.

What's so hard to understand about BotanyBoy's position?

No, that's the left too.

Their issues with PP go waaaay back.

Absolutely irrelevant to the current "fuck all healthcare except ours." situation and your deciding to ignore that so you can narrow it down to a women's issue when it is clearly not a women's issue but an all people of the USA issue.

You're just blathering on as an apologist for that little sleight of hand

I'm not apologizing for anything, I'm pointing out your narrow minded bigotry that only see's the feminist element to much larger social issues and absolutely REFUSES to recognize that this isn't just about women, you bigot.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Not irrelevant at all.

This started as an issue about Planned Parenthood specifically. I brought it up. PP is and has always been "just about women."

You are an apologist for Paul Ryan and the GOP, who are trying to blur that essential fact.


QUOTE=BotanyBoy;83055924]No, that's the left too.



Absolutely irrelevant to the current "fuck all healthcare except ours." situation and your deciding to ignore that so you can narrow it down to a women's issue when it is clearly not a women's issue but an all people of the USA issue.



I'm not apologizing for anything, I'm pointing out your narrow minded bigotry that only see's the feminist element to much larger social issues and absolutely REFUSES to recognize that this isn't just about women, you bigot.[/QUOTE]

 

[BotanyBoy]

Still too stupid to use the quote function hua?

Not irrelevant at all.

So then explain to me how men and women losing their HC is about women?

This started as an issue about Planned Parenthood specifically. I brought it up.

No it didn't.....it started as an argument about socialized HC.

You're trying to force it into being ALL about PP and women....when it's obviously not.

You are an apologist for Paul Ryan and the GOP, who are trying to blur that essential fact.

How? What essential fact?

I didn't deny any essential facts nor did I apologize for Ryan or the GOP.

The only essential fact being blurred is your denial that this is MUCH bigger than PP and women aren't the only ones effected by this.

But it's ok, keep ignoring the millions of other men and children out there....

 

[Carnal_Flower]

I honestly have no idea what "this" is or what you are talking about at this point.

I brought up PP in THIS thread, and it was NOT in the context of an argument about socialized HC.

Beyond that, I don't discuss feminism with ignoramuses--and I especially wouldn't expect someone self-proclaimed "a-sexual" to have any comprehension of how women, femininity, reproduction, and SEX informs ALL public policy.

Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions. Not interested in discussing this further

Still too stupid to use the quote function hua?



So then explain to me how men and women losing their HC is about women?



No it didn't.....it started as an argument about socialized HC.

You're trying to force it into being ALL about PP and women....when it's obviously not.



How? What essential fact?

I didn't deny any essential facts nor did I apologize for Ryan or the GOP.

The only essential fact being blurred is your denial that this is MUCH bigger than PP and women aren't the only ones effected by this.

But it's ok, keep ignoring the millions of other men and children out there....

 

[BotanyBoy]

I brought up PP in THIS thread, and it was NOT in the context of an argument about socialized HC.

You cannot separate the two, PP IS socialized HC.

That's what I've been trying to tell you.

This isn't about women.....it's not taking their HC away, it's about the money.

Beyond that, I don't discuss feminism with ignoramuses--and I especially wouldn't expect someone self-proclaimed "a-sexual" to have any comprehension of how women, femininity, reproduction, and SEX informs ALL public policy.

So you don't think an asexual can comprehend the social world around them?

LOL how fabulously bigoted of you.

Like I said, you're entitled to your opinions.

It's not an opinion that this is not a PP or womenz HC issue but a much larger socialized HC at large issue.

And it's not about denying HC to anyone it's about paying for it, the denial of funding is about the money.

Those are facts.

Not interested in discussing this further

Most narrow minded regressive dislike discussion in favor of name calling....

Congrats on figuring out the quote button though! I knew you could do it!

 

[handysr]

Oh no, I want you lot to get the shit diversified out of your big bucks neighborhood instead of dumping the diseased fuckers off somewhere you don't have to deal with them.

I want them in YOUR restaurants coughing up Tuberculosis all over the fucking place.

I want them in YOUR neighborhoods running the real estate values to shit.

I want them telling YOUR wife to cover her whore head up and knock her fucking teeth out when she dares to speak to them.

I want YOU to enjoy the diversity that you wish to push upon others.

I'm sorry, BB... I think you're forgetting something.

After His Highness Obama blessed the USA with bringing in so many tens of thousands of immagrants that want to fight to not assimilate to their new homes after they didn't want to fight to stay in their original homes, he's actually seeming to admit that fences might do some good after all.

I think some of those nine bedrooms should be occupied with his fellow muslim infiltrators. They could share the same prayer mat. islam is the religion of peace, right? I'm sure those kind loving folks are nothing like the wanna-be terrorists that are filling up Europe, and they totally wouldn't be upset at his wife or daughters for being so immodest as to show their ankles or chin at times.

 

[Boxlicker101]

What makes you think that refugees coming to America are anti-western? Is that what Donald Trump tells you?

From their actions once they arrive. Not all the "refugees," of course, but enough that they can't be trusted.

 

[handysr]

From their actions once they arrive. Not all the "refugees," of course, but enough that they can't be trusted.

Exactly! There's enough of those bad apples to make the whole batch suspect. Keep in mind that these are the same islamic terrorists in waiting that are wreaking havoc across several countries through Europe, and you'd be insane to think that just because these "refugees" come to your precious country that they will instantly lose their life-long habits and ways of acting or thinking. Have you bothered to look at the reports coming out of Sweden or Germany in the past year or so? And more than CNN or HuffPo, please; use more than one source for the best chance of the 'real' news.

Of course, so many people want to bend over backwards to show these immigrants how "socially aware" they are, this welcoming committee will gladly destroy the culture of their own country in the hopes that they don't offend some person whose mind is still entrenched in the 6th century (but they have an iphone).