The Confessional

[Jokas_Wild]

ICT this is an awesome thread hijack. I'm laughing like a retard with a pin wheel! Hey, is that joke HOTY worthy? Retard jokes are pretty distasteful. I like distasteful!

 

[FuckFantasy]

You...do realize that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam can all be summed up in one singular statement? To paraphrase all three religions (and the way their religious authorities have behaved for nearly two millenia) "If you don't worship our god, you're going to hell"

Yeah, that's kind of how religion works. It's a bit more complicated than that, but there is this idea of being a good person, or else there's consequences.

You're getting away from your original, invalid point:

Where, specifically, in the Holy Bible, does it state that any non-human entity is evil?

 

[Firmhanded_Daddy]

Folks, as much as I love to see these debates, Ausus tends to get a little unhappy when people argue for extended periods of time in her thread. So I suggest we take it to the fight thread...

Or better yet, a pool of chocolate pudding.

 

[LoganDarkHolme]

I can't believe a Wiccan is claiming that the Holy Bible belongs in the Fantasy section. I just... I don't even KNOW.

Christians always 'loose' what, exactly? There's no arguing with someone as close-minded as yourself. So if they walk away because they're tired of talking to a brick wall, you shouldn't consider it a victory.

LOL darlin, i just threw that out there to get a reaction cause all this arguement and interspecies bashing is fun to watch, do i honestly feel that way ?? no, i beleive everyone is entitled to practice what ever religion they want and neither religion is right or wrong on how they interpret what their diety says/does/is

so please dont rip my nutz off, i still need them lol

 

[dragonrazor]

Specific. Examples.

Still waiting.

There's are entire sections of the bible listing quite a large number of animals and most nonhuman sentient species as unclean. It's a staple of the religion. Remember that part about how they're not supposed to eat pork? That's extremely Old Testament.

 

[Drunken_Angel]

You...do realize that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam can all be summed up in one singular statement? To paraphrase all three religions (and the way their religious authorities have behaved for nearly two millenia) "If you don't worship our god, you're going to hell"

Careful with your simplifications Dragon. The requirement to worship God may be a consistent theme, but it hardly is paraphrase, and hardly represents the sum of those religions ( all of which started from the same base, btw and simply diverged)

 

[FuckFantasy]

LOL darlin, i just threw that out there to get a reaction cause all this arguement and interspecies bashing is fun to watch, do i honestly feel that way ?? no, i beleive everyone is entitled to practice what ever religion they want and neither religion is right or wrong on how they interpret what their diety says/does/is

so please dont rip my nutz off, i still need them lol

Now all I need is for Dragon to admit that he has no idea what he's talking about either, and you can all go home with your genitalia in tact.

 

[LoganDarkHolme]

Now all I need is for Dragon to admit that he has no idea what he's talking about either, and you can all go home with your genitalia in tact.

*falls over laughing*

well thats good to know,

and Dragon

http://www.bondofox.net/library.html

if anyone is interested i personally think a few of you might enjoy the Fire Fox series, *shrugs*

 

[FuckFantasy]

There's are entire sections of the bible listing quite a large number of animals and most nonhuman sentient species as unclean. It's a staple of the religion. Remember that part about how they're not supposed to eat pork? That's extremely Old Testament.

Give me exact passages, please. Educate me, Dragon. Show me the error of my ways.

Animals ARE unclean. They're dirty by nature. I am not Jewish, so I don't buy the idea of not eating certain ones, so I can't even comment on that. But 'unclean' and 'evil' are two different things entirely. Furthermore, animals are used throughout the Bible as metaphors, symbolism, etc. Jesus is compared to a lamb going to the slaughter - not exactly a statement saying that lambs are evil, now is it?

You lose.

EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Just so we're clear?

Christians really stick to the New Testament, so again, your argument fails. If you're talking about the book of Leviticus, or the idea of 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth', the message of Jesus Christ - "Love one another", "Turn the other cheek", "Pray for your enemies" - overrides such principles.

 

[Drunken_Angel]

There's are entire sections of the bible listing quite a large number of animals and most nonhuman sentient species as unclean. It's a staple of the religion. Remember that part about how they're not supposed to eat pork? That's extremely Old Testament.

Two problems, first, you said that EVERYTHING that is not human is EVIL. A few specific examples.. twenty or so are hardly *everything* The "unclean" passage was a set of culturally and temporally specific edicts, some of which -pork especially- were actually important due to ignorance about bacteria.

Second, unclean does not equate to evil. I doubt very much that Satan in the bible is equatable to eating pork.

 

[dragonrazor]

LOL darlin, i just threw that out there to get a reaction cause all this arguement and interspecies bashing is fun to watch, do i honestly feel that way ?? no, i beleive everyone is entitled to practice what ever religion they want and neither religion is right or wrong on how they interpret what their diety says/does/is

so please dont rip my nutz off, i still need them lol

On that note, I have to confess that most people are mistaken when they interpret the story of the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah. More specifically, they misread the reason the two cities were destroyed. And the sad part is the bible tells you the actual reason. So here's where I wax (whacks?) rhapsodic. Two cities. Travellers. A religious procession travels the land, and is RAPED by people from Sodom (and possibly Gomorrah. If memory serves, Gomorrah didn't bother to help the religious procession and give them sanctuary). People assume that it's because the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were gay. But it's not. THEY RAPED A FUCKING PRIEST, OF COURSE THEY WERE GOING TO GET SMITED)

 

[Jokas_Wild]

ICT Considerin actually making a legit Hater Of The ____ thread in the lounge. Turn it into a weekly contest, best of the week wins. Would anyone participate or am I just an asshole with a terrible sense of humor?

 

[LoganDarkHolme]

The Troubles tales series is also really well written

and As for FD's statement about Ausus, this isnt fighting, this is Confessing

 

[Firmhanded_Daddy]

ICT Considerin actually making a legit Hater Of The ____ thread in the lounge. Turn it into a weekly contest, best of the week wins. Would anyone participate or am I just an asshole with a terrible sense of humor?

Heh! ICT it would be a wonderful hit. Would more than likely end up stickied.

 

[dragonrazor]

Two problems, first, you said that EVERYTHING that is not human is EVIL. A few specific examples.. twenty or so are hardly *everything* The "unclean" passage was a set of culturally and temporally specific edicts, some of which -pork especially- were actually important due to ignorance about bacteria.

Second, unclean does not equate to evil. I doubt very much that Satan in the bible is equatable to eating pork.

Yes, but also keep in mind that according to the bible we were also told not to trust certain things. Among them, we were told that we need to beware because "Devils can walk in human form"...that's an indicator that an entire species is supposed to be evil.

That's just one example, but the real fun comes when you actually read most of the articles denouncing things like aliens, or furries, or just about anything else. Most of those articles call them "An affront to God" and so on.

 

[Light Ice]

On that note, I have to confess that most people are mistaken when they interpret the story of the fall of Sodom and Gomorrah. More specifically, they misread the reason the two cities were destroyed. And the sad part is the bible tells you the actual reason. So here's where I wax (whacks?) rhapsodic. Two cities. Travellers. A religious procession travels the land, and is RAPED by people from Sodom (and possibly Gomorrah. If memory serves, Gomorrah didn't bother to help the religious procession and give them sanctuary). People assume that it's because the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were gay. But it's not. THEY RAPED A FUCKING PRIEST, OF COURSE THEY WERE GOING TO GET SMITED)

I confess that you are a fucking douchebag.

 

[dragonrazor]

Give me exact passages, please. Educate me, Dragon. Show me the error of my ways.

Animals ARE unclean. They're dirty by nature. I am not Jewish, so I don't buy the idea of not eating certain ones, so I can't even comment on that. But 'unclean' and 'evil' are two different things entirely. Furthermore, animals are used throughout the Bible as metaphors, symbolism, etc. Jesus is compared to a lamb going to the slaughter - not exactly a statement saying that lambs are evil, now is it?

You lose.

EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Just so we're clear?

Christians really stick to the New Testament, so again, your argument fails. If you're talking about the book of Leviticus, or the idea of 'an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth', the message of Jesus Christ - "Love one another", "Turn the other cheek", "Pray for your enemies" - overrides such principles.

Animals are dirty by nature? Raccoons. Pigs. Cockroaches. You may not realize this but these three are actually the cleanest and cleanliest animals on the planet. They make US look unclean. Easiest way to kill a roach is to spray a contact poison around. They actually ingest it as they wash themselves.

 

[Drunken_Angel]

Yes, but also keep in mind that according to the bible we were also told not to trust certain things. Among them, we were told that we need to beware because "Devils can walk in human form"...that's an indicator that an entire species is supposed to be evil.

Run this by me again, I think it missed your logic filter

 

[grant_s]

ICT I don't really care, can we change the channel, each to his own

 

[dragonrazor]

I confess that you are a fucking douchebag.

I take it you believed it was because Sodom was gay?

 

[FuckFantasy]

Animals are dirty by nature? Raccoons. Pigs. Cockroaches. You may not realize this but these three are actually the cleanest and cleanliest animals on the planet. They make US look unclean.

So I bet you'd be thrilled to tears to wake up and find your empty bed covered in cockroaches, right?

Again, you're dodging my questions. You haven't back up any of your statements. You're wrong. You fail. You lose. Just admit it. Just say it. "I was wrong, I don't actually know what I'm talking about, I'm saying things I've read from other ill-informed people on other pathetic furry boards and I don't actually know anything for sure."

You'll feel really, REALLY good when you do, Dragon. It'll be your first step to acting like a man.

 

[dragonrazor]

Run this by me again, I think it missed your logic filter

Okay. The bible. That book that Christianity calls The Word Of God. The book that's been edited and altered and changed and rewritten by kings, priests, public officials and what not for at least the last 1200 years. Tells us in no uncertain terms that demons are evil. If we look at it LOGICALLY, however, common sense dictates that no species is inherently evil. As stated before, good and evil involve CHOICE.

 

[Drunken_Angel]

Animals are dirty by nature? Raccoons. Pigs. Cockroaches. You may not realize this but these three are actually the cleanest and cleanliest animals on the planet. They make US look unclean. Easiest way to kill a roach is to spray a contact poison around. They actually ingest it as they wash themselves.

This rebuttal hits more on the discrepancy between social stigma and real life. The idea of unclean is more than about germs, it involves the justification for us assuming we are better than animals - more evolved, more intelligent, etc. There is a very strong social need to defend this because it gives us much of our value as human beings.

Its also very useful to keep "undesirables" in their place.

 

[dragonrazor]

So I bet you'd be thrilled to tears to wake up and find your empty bed covered in cockroaches, right?

Again, you're dodging my questions. You haven't back up any of your statements. You're wrong. You fail. You lose. Just admit it. Just say it. "I was wrong, I don't actually know what I'm talking about, I'm saying things I've read from other ill-informed people on other pathetic furry boards and I don't actually know anything for sure."

You'll feel really, REALLY good when you do, Dragon. It'll be your first step to acting like a man.

There are furry boards? That's news to me. Only thing I've heard of is antifurry boards, and they all tout the same faulty logic. The logic being displayed by you and Light Ice.

 

[Light Ice]

I take it you believed it was because Sodom was gay?

No, I believe you're a douchebag because you've derailed the entire thread in an attempt to defend stroking off to animals as scientifically sound.