The Conundrum

[4est_4est_Gump]

I am enjoying the back and forth with RightGuide and the Colonel...



It is interesting and enlightening.

 

[Rightguide]

Another conundrum...


If Christians refuse to partake in gay marriage ceremonies, they are destroyed by Progressive-Liberal America, because they are doing business "publicly."

Yet, I wonder if anything will be heard, said, or done to the Gay coffee shop owner who turned on his patrons and turned them out because they are Christian?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/06/a...christians-drinking-coffee-in-his-shop-video/

Or another I read about who claims he will refuse service to Trump supporters.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

 

[KimGordon67]

Yeah, and I'm tired of being told that I have no ground to stand upon on the topic of abortion because I'm a man. Not because I haven't studied the subject in order to make a rational argument as to why I oppose it, but because of the emotional reaction to anyone who might have qualms about taking a life. On the other hand, here you are, like them, with an emotional appeal seemingly proud of you lack of knowledge on the subject.

The fact of the matter is, as I stated before and you probably missed, the emotional appeal to the deaths caused by the followers of Allah, we are told, have to be dismissed, because we taint the entire religion because of a tiny number of bad actors, and yet here you are, tainting all of those whom own guns with a tiny minority of bad actors.

Islam killed 3,000+ in one day...

I don't think anyone in the relevant threads made that argument, or at least not to my recollection. You just consistently failed to provide evidence to support your position..

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I no longer care about what you think.


Please just go away...

 

[KimGordon67]

Another conundrum...


If Christians refuse to partake in gay marriage ceremonies, they are destroyed by Progressive-Liberal America, because they are doing business "publicly."

Yet, I wonder if anything will be heard, said, or done to the Gay coffee shop owner who turned on his patrons and turned them out because they are Christian?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/06/a...christians-drinking-coffee-in-his-shop-video/

That report is very short on details. How did he know they were Christians?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Reading comprehension problems?


His barrista told him.


Go away...

 

[KimGordon67]

I no longer care about what you think.


Please just go away...

You appear to be talking about recent conversations of which I was a part. I would never say someone shouldn't express an opinion on abortion because they're a man. I just like things to be supported by evidence.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I don't think anyone in the relevant threads made that argument, or at least not to my recollection. You just consistently failed to provide evidence to support your position..

This is a lie by omission.


Quote what I said, everyone will see it.

 

[KimGordon67]

Reading comprehension problems?


His barrista told him.


Go away...

Ah - ok. I didn't see that the article continued beyond the first couple of paragraphs.
The problem didn't seem to be their religion, but their presumably visible stance on abortion. There's no way of knowing there weren't people there who had had an abortion. A lot of that material can be really upsetting if you're in that group. This guy probably didn't handle things in the best way, but I similarly won't tolerate anti-abortion literature in public environments over which I have control for the reason stated above.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Go away liar.

 

[KimGordon67]

This is a lie by omission.


Quote what I said, everyone will see it.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Possibly someone else suggested that - I don't recall. But I certainly didn't. As I constantly state, I'm all for men taking responsibility for their part in reproduction.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Possibly someone else suggested that - I don't recall. But I certainly didn't. As I constantly state, I'm all for men taking responsibility for their part in reproduction.

No one mentioned you in this thread. Period.

Go away. We know why you won;t back up what you said because I didn't claim that those things were said in that thread, but on this board in the past. Go the fuck away and quit trying to be a drama queen and make everything about you, you, you...

https://www.vevo.com/watch/toby-keith/i-wanna-talk-about-me/USDWV0300035

 

[Rightguide]

Ah - ok. I didn't see that the article continued beyond the first couple of paragraphs.
The problem didn't seem to be their religion, but their presumably visible stance on abortion. There's no way of knowing there weren't people there who had had an abortion. A lot of that material can be really upsetting if you're in that group. This guy probably didn't handle things in the best way, but I similarly won't tolerate anti-abortion literature in public environments over which I have control for the reason stated above.

Intolerance of free speech is the hallmark of the left, wherever they reside.

 

[KimGordon67]

No one mentioned you in this thread. Period.

Go away. We know why you won;t back up what you said because I didn't claim that those things were said in that thread, but on this board in the past. Go the fuck away and quit trying to be a drama queen and make everything about you, you, you...

https://www.vevo.com/watch/toby-keith/i-wanna-talk-about-me/USDWV0300035

Ok. It just seemed like you were referring to more recent conversations. I was mistaken. Not quite the same as 'lying', but oh well.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/oct/6/christian-activists-booted-from-seattle-coffee-sho/





Do your own fucking research!

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Another conundrum...


If Christians refuse to partake in gay marriage ceremonies, they are destroyed by Progressive-Liberal America, because they are doing business "publicly."

Yet, I wonder if anything will be heard, said, or done to the Gay coffee shop owner who turned on his patrons and turned them out because they are Christian?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/06/a...christians-drinking-coffee-in-his-shop-video/

Well, they were served. But if they wanted to make a "federal case" out of it, so to speak, it would be a simple matter to return to the coffee shop, with or without the offending material in hand (or maybe a bible), identify themselves and attempt to be served again.

Of course, no recoverable damages were done, so all they would "win" is the obvious right to be served.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Ok. It just seemed like you were referring to more recent conversations. I was mistaken. Not quite the same as 'lying', but oh well.

Sorry, but you took me on because yo thought I was talking about you and lashed out with your typical emotional tactic by inferring that I was a liar.

Fuck you, go away, I am avoiding you...

 

[KimGordon67]

Intolerance of free speech is the hallmark of the left, wherever they reside.

Free speech is a right that, like all rights, has responsibilities.

 

[KimGordon67]

Sorry, but you took me on because yo thought I was talking about you and lashed out with your typical emotional tactic by inferring that I was a liar.

Fuck you, go away, I am avoiding you...

I didn't 'lash out', nor was I particularly emotive.
I misinterpreted something you said, and I've acknowledged that.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Well, they were served. But if they wanted to make a "federal case" out of it, so to speak, it would be a simple matter to return to the coffee shop, with or without the offending material in hand (or maybe a bible), identify themselves and attempt to be served again.

Of course, no recoverable damages were done, so all they would "win" is the obvious right to be served.

From the above link:

Members of Abolish Human Abortion recently decided to order drinks in Seattle’s Bedlam coffee shop after posting and distributing pro-life pamphlets in the local community. Activists who joined Caleb Head and Caytie Davis on Oct. 1 were soon berated and told the leave when they were identified.

A Christian pro-life group that was recently ejected...

“Are you denying us service?” Mr. Davis asked.

“I am. Yeah,” Mr. Borgman replied.

Mr. Borgman also said that anti-abortion imagery was hidden within his shop.



The material was out of sight. They were known just like the bakers and the photographer were "known."

 

[Rightguide]

Free speech is a right that, like all rights, has responsibilities.

Yes we know, like the responsibility to just shut up, right?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I didn't 'lash out', nor was I particularly emotive.
I misinterpreted something you said, and I've acknowledged that.

You keep misinterpreting what I say because of your philosophical perspective especially if I say benign things on topics that you have a strong emotional attachment to. I just don;t care about you and tire of your passion that causes you to take things out of context. Just go the fuck away. I'd put you on ignore but I'd like to think that you may still have something to offer, but that idea is starting to fade like a distant smokestack out on the horizon...

 

[KimGordon67]

Well, they were served. But if they wanted to make a "federal case" out of it, so to speak, it would be a simple matter to return to the coffee shop, with or without the offending material in hand (or maybe a bible), identify themselves and attempt to be served again.

Of course, no recoverable damages were done, so all they would "win" is the obvious right to be served.

It doesn't really sounds like the owner handled things in the best way ... But if the group were indeed deliberately secreting graphic material around the place, I can see why he may have been a bit irate. Not that it was ok, but it's understandable.

 

[KimGordon67]

You keep misinterpreting what I say because of your philosophical perspective especially if I say benign things on topics that you have a strong emotional attachment to. I just don;t care about you and tire of your passion that causes you to take things out of context. Just go the fuck away. I'd put you on ignore but I'd like to think that you may still have something to offer, but that idea is starting to fade like a distant smokestack out on the horizon...

I misinterpreted this thing. I'm not sure that I 'keep' doing it at all ... although sometimes your statements aren't entirely clear, so I've asked for clarification.