The current marriage controversy from a Biblical Standpoint

[Erotisphere]

... that there are fools out there who take what is probably mistranslated text from the bible to mean what they want it to mean.

This is true. I could make the point that suicide is of God. One scripture says that Judas went out and hung himself and another says, Jesus said to go and do likewise. That is taking two unrelated verses and putting them together to create a doctrine.

That is why I no longer can stand organized religion which is man-made doctrine to control the masses. I do believe in God and the Bible "taken in its proper context."

 

[Erotisphere]

I agree. Which is why I would use their words of the valididty of the bible against them. I only want them to think and make intelligent decisions, not follow blindly.

Absolutely, questioning anyone in authority is a good thing. We should never follow the herd mentality. That is what got people killed that followed Jim Jones.

Just because we have Creeds does not make them right. They were written by men, not God.

 

[Krinaia]

Been there, done that, got the unit t-shirt 9 times.

One other thing. It's never "over and out." Use either "over" to indicate you're done with your xmsn and listening, or "out" to indicate you're done with your xmsn and terminating the conversation. (Now if that wasn't a straight line waiting for a smartass response, i've never given one.)

I, grinningly, have no smartass response. Except to say, thank-you for the lesson, Over.

 

[Krinaia]

I am reminded of one of the Steinbeck books that I read... I forget which one it was... but a very important theme in the book was the discussion of the translation of a single word. The word, in translation, lost much of its original intent and context. Just as within a single language, substituting synonmns for each other can change the entire meaning and nuance of a sentence, so too can this happen in translation from one language to the other. To take the King James bible as direct word from God is folly. It cannot be - for it is the translation of "God's word" into English by a falliable man as no man is infalliable. And all men will put there stamp on something, change it, twist it, make it their own - no matter how hard he tries not to. And, call me what you like - I doubt God gives a damn about most of the things people worry about just so long as you work your entire life to be a good person and to better yourself...

for which I realize I should apologize publically to Limbhugger for the thumper comment, it was uncalled for and relatively unprovoked. I have faced enough intolerance in my life than to be quilty of doing the same to someone else. So, I am sorry.

But if you're going to come in here and slap around such things - be ready for a uhm conversation that might get heated. Wars have been fought over less.

 

[Justina123]

"Jesus said, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. The second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS [Old Testatment]." Matthew 22:37-40 (emphasis added)

In other words, if it is consensual and done with love, it is according to God's Law.

"Ye are become DEAD TO THE LAW through the body of Christ...Now are we DELIVERED FROM THE LAW..." Romans 7:4,6 (emphasis added)

"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law" Galatians 3:13

"All the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" Galatians 5:14

This theme- that we are not under the Mosaic and Old Testament laws, but freed from them and held to a higher law, that of measuring our actions by the yardstick of love- is repeated literally hundreds of times in the New Testament.

And in my book, that higher law completely encompasses the bdsm that Sir and I practice daily, as well as that of nearly all the folks I know.

Oh, and I really liked the link at the top of this thread! By the way, is it okay if I post in on my local BDSM Yahoo board?

-justina, the former missionary who will now get off her soapbox/pulpit!

 

[TNRkitect2b]

"Jesus said, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and great commandment. The second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS [Old Testatment]." Matthew 22:37-40 (emphasis added)

In other words, if it is consensual and done with love, it is according to God's Law.

"Ye are become DEAD TO THE LAW through the body of Christ...Now are we DELIVERED FROM THE LAW..." Romans 7:4,6 (emphasis added)

"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law" Galatians 3:13

"All the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" Galatians 5:14

This theme- that we are not under the Mosaic and Old Testament laws, but freed from them and held to a higher law, that of measuring our actions by the yardstick of love- is repeated literally hundreds of times in the New Testament.

And in my book, that higher law completely encompasses the bdsm that Sir and I practice daily, as well as that of nearly all the folks I know.

Oh, and I really liked the link at the top of this thread! By the way, is it okay if I post in on my local BDSM Yahoo board?

-justina, the former missionary who will now get off her soapbox/pulpit!

Certainly! feel free to!

 

[AngelicAssassin]

I, grinningly, have no smartass response. Except to say, thank-you for the lesson, Over.

you're quite welcome ... wench ... rofl!

Now, when was that spanking scheduled by E? i won't be participating, but it might be interesting to see how wide those eyes fly with the first strike ...

 

[Krinaia]

No participating? Why is that... just curious... is my ass not of your liking for any particular reason?

And as for the scheduling of said spanking... I couldn't tell you as I don't know.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

No participating? Why is that... just curious... is my ass not of your liking for any particular reason?

And as for the scheduling of said spanking... I couldn't tell you as I don't know.

Darlin', i'm sure you've got a nice @ss ... but i gave up flirting for Lent.

 

[Krinaia]

What a wretched thing to give up... I'm sure E could postpone the spanking til after Lent.

 

[Kansas]

A Bad Night For Brandi

I would like to plug a somewhat lighthearted girl/girl bdsm story I wrote titled "A Bad Night for Brandi" which can be found at:

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=84198

It's got spankings, handcuffs, and a strap-on dildo, all the stuff any two girls would ever need for a fun weekend!

 

[erotic_writer_girl]

adam & eve ???!!!

Hi.. just had to put forward the unanswerable Question from the bible....

My father by his own admission was an atheistic calathumpian!

When asked by a visiting preacher if he believed god's word he responded.

(I've read that book.* (It was in fact the only book he ever read in his whole life.) "I have a question that I want answered."

The preacher nodded and encouraged him to go on.

"Well god made the garden right! Then he made adam. then he rips a bone outta adam's side and makes eve. is that right?"

Preacher nods.

"Well I am no genius but what I have a problem with is the math. God made 2 people. 1 male + 1 female.

Now these two people... the only two people on the earth.. have 2 sons....
Now that means that there are only 4 people on the earth.
1 son kills the other son so we have to subtract one. we now have 3 people on the earth. adam, eve and cain.
then cain goes off and gets himself a wife...
Where the F**k did the bloody wife come from???

 

[erotic_writer_girl]

wimpy women and the bible...

while on the topic of the bible etc...

I am forever amazed at the number of 'good christian women' who seem to think that all it takes to be a good wife is to cook clean and have babies... I take great delight in pointing them to proverbs 31. 10-31 man in that passage the perfect wife slaves her guts out... She's like out there planting vineyards, buying land, and making hubby rich!! of course she does all that while cooking cleaning sewing and having big heaps of babies too.

<<wonders how many guys are really pissed that the new testament came along and spoiled all the fun>>>

EWG

(ex-sunday school teacher..lol)

 

[Krinaia]

Re: A Bad Night For Brandi

I would like to plug a somewhat lighthearted girl/girl bdsm story I wrote titled "A Bad Night for Brandi" which can be found at:

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=84198

It's got spankings, handcuffs, and a strap-on dildo, all the stuff any two girls would ever need for a fun weekend!

... yah that wasn't completely random and uhm, egotistical, and a call for attention in an inapproriate space.... gosh, you remind me of someone i live with...


anyhow, let's never mind the fact that many women i know claiming to be "good christian women" are intolerant selfish bitches who spend about zero time being humble, selfless, or giving... things i thought were supposed to be vauled by such women... course, just so long as they appear good and holy on the surface to the gerenal public, who gives a flying rats ass right?

course, i know women who are in fact, good people, christian or not and i am glad to have known them

 

[Luna_Wolf72]

Re: Re: A Bad Night For Brandi

course, i know women who are in fact, good people, christian or not and i am glad to have known them

*quiet mini stalk of Skyline from the resident hedonistic pagan type*

 

[Krinaia]

is it really stalking if i can see you doing it?

that is entirely unsneaky! lol

but at least you have pretty legs, if you're going to be my stalker

 

[entitled]

Re: Re: A Bad Night For Brandi

anyhow, let's never mind the fact that many women i know claiming to be "good christian women" are intolerant selfish bitches who spend about zero time being humble, selfless, or giving... things i thought were supposed to be vauled by such women... course, just so long as they appear good and holy on the surface to the gerenal public, who gives a flying rats ass right?

See, those people are what some of us call Churchians. They're too caught up in the doctrines of the individual gatherings and keeping up with the Jones' and all that other bullshit that they forget all of what they're supposed to learn from Christianity - which is pretty much the same thing nearly any other religion teaches when it comes down to it.

That, in my mind's eye, makes them an awful lot less religious and/or spiritual than those of us that don't set foot in church. (If those Christians are right, lightning would strike and the whole state would go up in flames. )

 

[entitled]

Re: Re: A Bad Night For Brandi

anyhow, let's never mind the fact that many women i know claiming to be "good christian women" are intolerant selfish bitches who spend about zero time being humble, selfless, or giving... things i thought were supposed to be vauled by such women... course, just so long as they appear good and holy on the surface to the gerenal public, who gives a flying rats ass right?

See, those people are what some of us call Churchians. They're too caught up in the doctrines of the individual gatherings and keeping up with the Jones' and all that other bullshit that they forget all of what they're supposed to learn from Christianity - which is pretty much the same thing nearly any other religion teaches when it comes down to it.

That, in my mind's eye, makes them an awful lot less religious and/or spiritual than those of us that don't set foot in church. (If those Christians are right, lightning would strike and the whole state would go up in flames. )

 

[entitled]

anyhow, let's never mind the fact that many women i know claiming to be "good christian women" are intolerant selfish bitches who spend about zero time being humble, selfless, or giving... things i thought were supposed to be vauled by such women... course, just so long as they appear good and holy on the surface to the gerenal public, who gives a flying rats ass right?

See, those people are what some of us call Churchians. They're too caught up in the doctrines of the individual gatherings and keeping up with the Jones' and all that other bullshit that they forget all of what they're supposed to learn from Christianity - which is pretty much the same thing nearly any other religion teaches when it comes down to it.

That, in my mind's eye, makes them an awful lot less religious and/or spiritual than those of us that don't set foot in church. (If those Christians are right, lightning would strike and the whole state would go up in flames. )

 

[Justina123]

Answer to writer girl

The Bible clearly says that Adam and Eve had more than just Cain and Abel- it just so happens those were their OLDEST children. Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam lived 800 years and in that time "bore sons and daughters." 800 years is plenty of time to have quite a lot of children, and for those childen to intermix! (and the Bible also makes it clear that the childbearing years continued well past the present 40 or so) ... yes, there obviously had to be some incest at the beginning!

-justina

 

[Krinaia]

Re: Answer to writer girl

The Bible clearly says that Adam and Eve had more than just Cain and Abel- it just so happens those were their OLDEST children. Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam lived 800 years and in that time "bore sons and daughters." 800 years is plenty of time to have quite a lot of children, and for those childen to intermix! (and the Bible also makes it clear that the childbearing years continued well past the present 40 or so) ... yes, there obviously had to be some incest at the beginning!

-justina

I always wondered about that.... does the bible ever state exactly how many children? I've never read the entire thing cover to cover nor have I read it closely enough to have noticed something like that.

 

[Kansas]

Skyline Blue

MY MISTAKE!!!

I meant to post my thread (A Bad Night For Brandi) on the "shameless plug" thread and somehow accidentally placed it here instead!

MEA CULPA, MEA CULPA, MEA MAXIMA CULPA!

 

[Justina123]

I always wondered about that.... does the bible ever state exactly how many children? I've never read the entire thing cover to cover nor have I read it closely enough to have noticed something like that

I don't claim to be a Biblical scholar but, no, as far as I know the Bible doesn't say exactly how many children Adam had. In typical fashion for the times, it lists the oldest sons only and then just says he had lots of other sons and daughters. It does give a geneaology and dates that can be pretty interesting, though. For example, Adam's grandson, Enos, could have known Noah pesonally and could have told him the story of Creation. Methuselah, a direct descendant of Adam and the oldest recorded living man (969 years), died in the year of the Flood. After the Flood, when many believe the protective atmosphere of the Earth was greatly reduced, men began living much shorter lifespans- Noah's oldest son Shem (who was 98 years old in the year of the Flood and one of the inhabitants of the Ark) lived 590 years and, 10 generations later, his great....grandson Abraham lived 175 years.

Anyway, it can all be pretty interesting, whether you believe the Bible literally or as allegory or even just as a wonderful book which has been around quite a while.

- justina

 

[Krinaia]

I think there are too many mistranslations in the English Bible for it to ever be interperted as God's word. I also find it funny that you said that thing about Methusehah being a direct decendent of Adam... because, if the story is true and God only created two humans to begin with... aren't we all direct descendents of Adam and Eve?

 

[Justina123]

Yes, Skyline, I do believe we are all descendants of Adam and Eve, so you're right, my choice of words in "direct descendant" was not the best.

I do not mean to turn the Lit board into a biblical debate. The Bible is extremely important to me, I am one of those extremists, I guess, who do believe it is God's Word and literal, for the most part, when taken in its entirety. I simply believe that God does not make mistakes and if a person reads the Bible and sincerely asks God to lead him or her, He will. I think it is an amazing book BECAUSE it can be interpreted in so many ways, each phrase can have multiple meanings, and still be completely true... that is its magic and God-given purpose, to be used by each individual.

You can imagine that many churchgoers would want to crucify me for being a submissive, s&m practiitioner, etc. etc. and also being in love with the Lord. But that's me, and that is also lots of other folks I know... there are many VERY Godly people in the s&m world, of all kinds of "religions" or "no religion", but in my opinion, people in His image and a delight to know.

Okay, I absolutely promise, no more preaching! I need a good spanking.... or even better, perhaps if I quietly lock the bedroom door, get undressed, go kneel at Sir's feet, he'll pet my head, maybe his hand will wander, maybe with a few little mews and licks....

Night!

- justina