The Day The Republican Party Will Live To Regret...

[SpiritKitty]

yea

 

[ruminator]

"Is there a suffiecient second",

^^^ Aye...

Yo, I just noticed you're a fan of Mr. Peabody...Classic cartoon...

~i~

Yeah, great insight and perspective.

After being here at Lit, I'm starting to wonder if Peabody wasn't just a classic revisionistic historian.

God help me if I can't trust cartoons............

..............the keys are in the wayback machine,,


..........just remember to check the oil.

 

[KID ROCK1]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Day The Republican Party Will Live To Regret...

an unsolicited biased request. Could you at least consider using the small font?

I would never really use a DCL qoute as my sig, if I ever would use a sig., it would ruin my board rivalry that I have had going with DCL for years now...

^^^ Pssst, I think DCL was stoned/drunk/cocained up when he typed his comment about me...DCL does have a drug problem ya know...I heard DCL got Rush Limbaugh's autograph two weeks ago...

~i~

 

[ruminator]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Day The Republican Party Will Live To Regret...

I would never really use a DCL qoute as my sig, if I ever would use a sig., it would ruin my board rivalry that I have had going with DCL for years now...

^^^ Pssst, I think DCL was stoned/drunk/cocained up when he typed his comment about me...DCL does have a drug problem ya know...I heard DCL got Rush Limbaugh's autograph two weeks ago...

~i~

I would like to withdrawl $9999.99, please


30 times..



damn red tape

 

[KID ROCK1]

Yeah, great insight and perspective.

After being here at Lit, I'm starting to wonder if Peabody wasn't just a classic revisionistic historian.

God help me if I can't trust cartoons............

..............the keys are in the wayback machine,,


..........just remember to check the oil.

What was that lil' kids name in the cartoon...I think it was "Sherman" but I can't member' fer sure...I know I learned quite a bit about history from that toon tho, cuz I usualy slept in my History classes at school...

~i~

 

[LovetoGiveRoses]

US Census....SCF.

Most of the wealth in America is held by those over 55 years. old. The average wealth of a person 75+ is still 5 times greater than the average for those under 44. Those under 44 are the ones with kids. This is a big difference in wealth distribution....on the average and based on sound data (US Census).

I ask again, why are we taking billions more out of the hands of those with children and giving it to the wealthiest segment of society?

Kid, I agree that there are poor Americans and that we ought to help them after they use up their assets in support of their health. If you're not going to use your assets and wealth to support your health and comfort in your old age, then what are you going to use it for?

 

[KID ROCK1]

awww, now see. i said it was nothing personal. and of course you'll be biased. more than likely i will be too, once i get an idea of it. but i want to be biased all on my own. hell, i'm pretty much biased against anything that has bush's approval. but i was trying to be fair-minded.

are you aware of any riders that may be attached to this thing? (that's a question requesting information.) would be interested in knowing.

I didn't take it personaly, but I wanted to clarify my answers...

Now then, what is a "rider"...

^^^ I know its a stupid question but enlighten me...

~i~

 

[ruminator]

Yeah, it was Sherman.

Someone else in one of these threads recently brought up an interesting point.

Most boys have a pet dog, Mr Peabody had a boy for a pet.

...........and no, I don't recall any Michael Jackson references.



Somehow this was all tied in to recollections of "Fractured Fairy Tales"

 

[ruminator]

US Census....SCF.

Most of the wealth in America is held by those over 55 years. old. The average wealth of a person 75+ is still 5 times greater than the average for those under 44. Those under 44 are the ones with kids. This is a big difference in wealth distribution....on the average and based on sound data (US Census).

I ask again, why are we taking billions more out of the hands of those with children and giving it to the wealthiest segment of society?

Kid, I agree that there are poor Americans and that we ought to help them after they use up their assets in support of their health. If you're not going to use your assets and wealth to support your health and comfort in your old age, then what are you going to use it for?

Wouldn't have anything to do with new laws concerning the estate taxes, would it?

 

[KID ROCK1]

US Census....SCF.

Most of the wealth in America is held by those over 55 years. old. The average wealth of a person 75+ is still 5 times greater than the average for those under 44. Those under 44 are the ones with kids. This is a big difference in wealth distribution....on the average and based on sound data (US Census).

I ask again, why are we taking billions more out of the hands of those with children and giving it to the wealthiest segment of society?

Kid, I agree that there are poor Americans and that we ought to help them after they use up their assets in support of their health. If you're not going to use your assets and wealth to support your health and comfort in your old age, then what are you going to use it for?

I'm not disputing your reply here or your citing of the US census but if you take one senior who is worth a million dollars and take another senior who is bankrupt then the avg. wealth is $500,000...Numbers can be misleading and deceptive...IMO when you have 40 million americans who carry an AARP card then you can get a better cross-section of the number of seniors who need a prescription drug benefit cuz they are not as wealthy as some of the top 1% of seniors...

IMO the top three groups of people who deserve entitlements from US taxpayers are...

#1...Children...
#2...Veterans...
#3...Senior citizens...

Note, thats only my top three, there are others who need help too...

~i~

 

[SpiritKitty]

Originally posted by KID ROCK1
I didn't take it personaly, but I wanted to clarify my answers...

Now then, what is a "rider"...

^^^ I know its a stupid question but enlighten me...

~i~

personally, i don't feel that there is any such thing as a stupid question. but if there is - i ask them all the time.

they're clauses that can be attached to a bill, something that they want to push through along with it, but not necessarily related to it, or related to it in a really roundabout way.

oh, btw if you follow the link that both you and ruminator gave me then you can request the GPO's (government printing office) pdf version of the bill, which is 749 pages long with big margins and, if i remember correctly, double spaced lines. not having that much paper...i saved a copy of it

 

[KID ROCK1]

personally, i don't feel that there is any such thing as a stupid question. but if there is - i ask them all the time.

they're clauses that can be attached to a bill, something that they want to push through along with it, but not necessarily related to it, or related to it in a really roundabout way.

^^^ Based upon your definition, down here in Texas we call "Riders",

"Pork Barrel or Pork Belly spending"...

Usualy you'll see "riders" in the appropriations bills that congress is "supposed to pass" and i'm sure we'll see a bunch of "riders" in the omnibus bill if it comes to that...

If you wanna follow "riders" in bills then do a search on "John McCain"...He's the Senates guru on wastefull govt. spending...

~i~

 

[SpiritKitty]

Originally posted by KID ROCK1
^^^ Based upon your definition, down here in Texas we call "Riders",

"Pork Barrel or Pork Belly spending"...

Usualy you'll see "riders" in the appropriations bills that congress is "supposed to pass" and i'm sure we'll see a bunch of "riders" in the omnibus bill if it comes to that...

If you wanna follow "riders" in bills then do a search on "John McCain"...He's the Senates guru on wastefull govt. spending...

~i~

you know, someone once asked me if there were different dialects in the us...stupid me i said no, just different slang

thanks for the info

 

[ruminator]

AARP Analyzed

In June, the AARP sent a letter to the Hill saying the new legislation could not include premium support, an assets test or a large coverage gap, yet they are now endorsing the GOP proposal including all of these. The AARP has a huge financial stake in the Medicare legislation. According to a new report by Public Citizen , the group – which purports to be a seniors advocacy group – in fact has "become a business deriving a large portion – about 60% - of its annual revenue from selling insurance products, such as Medigap supplemental drug insurance policies; selling mail-order prescription drugs; and offering prescription drug discount cards." Membership dues, in contrast, comprise "only 29% of AARP's total revenues." Right now, the group pulls in at least $161.6 million a year in insurance-related income; the "AARP would stand to gain many millions of dollars in new income under the Republican Medicare bill." For example, if the AARP, "with 35 members, captured just 5 percent of the new $400 billion Medicare prescription drug market over the next 10 years, it would collect an additional $20 billion in insurance premiums."

COALITION OF THE BOUGHT-OFF: Paul Krugman this morning comes out against the AARP endorsement of the faulty Medicare legislation, saying Medicare "reform" appears "likely to be another triumph for the coalition of the bought-off – a coalition that, sadly, includes AARP." With the legislation containing "a number of anti-retiree measures tucked away in the bill," Krugman writes, "once an advocacy group becomes as much a business as a service organization, its executives are likely to start identifying more with industry interests than with the groups they are supposed to serve."

PEOPLE SAY "I QUIT" TO AARP: Members of the Medicare Rights Center 's Consumer Action Board concur. In a letter this week, the group, consisting of seniors groups nationwide, decried the "toxic provisions" of the bill. "We feel betrayed by AARP," they wrote. "AARP does not speak for us." The group wants Congress to take its time with the bill and not ram it through before Thanksgiving. This week 85 lawmakers , led by Rep. Lynn Woolsey, renounced "their current or future membership in AARP," saying "There is no reason that an organization that purports to protect the needs of the elderly should accept a plan that will undermine Medicare." The AARP admits about about 800 members have asked to resign so far.

The Progress Report

 

[KID ROCK1]

IMO, the AARP is in serious trouble cuz I don't know of any more combative group of american citizens than senior citizens especialy when they feel ripped off by the people who are supposed to be looking out for their best interest...

Anyone remember the images of congressmen getting beat on the head by umbrellas and protesters signs when the seniors figured out they were ripped off by the republicans over a catastrophic heath bill...The bill had to be repealed...

The AARP ran an ad saying that this new bill is a "good first step" which somehow implies that congress is going to try and fine tune the bill over the next few years until 2006...Dennis Hastert told Tony Snow this morning that the bill basicly reforms medicare but hardly does anything to help pay for prescription drugs unless your really really poor, or in a worse case scenario that your prescription drug bill rises to catastrophic levels...

If a senior has $4000 in script bills then this bill will only pay 30% of that $4,000...<----Thats hardly a benefit, morelike a slap in the face...

On a side note...I was doing some research on the rules of the house of represenatives and interestingly enough I found out that the rules of the house state a vote must remain open for at least 15 minutes but there are no rules stating the maximum amount of time until the vote is over...So I assume that if the majority party really wanted its way, they could hold a vote open for days untill enough votes could be changed to get the desired result...

^^^ The rules commitee must correct this loophole...

~i~

 

[GeorgeWBush]

Hmmm... the elderly vs the kids... I can certainly feel ya on the need to prioritize children. Just as long as this doesn't turn into a game of lifeboat ethics.

And I know both rich and poor elderly people alike. And Medicare also cares for the disabled.

What I want to see addressed, is the fact that seniors retiring today are said to face an average of $100,000 in out of pocket medical expenses over the rest of their lives. That ought to render plenty of well to do seniors destitute.

mmmmm disabled get madicare not me i'm disabled and i can't get medicare i get medicade a state backed medical and i can not get all meds.

 

[ruminator]

mmmmm disabled get madicare not me i'm disabled and i can't get medicare i get medicade a state backed medical and i can not get all meds.

There's other help out there too. Many of the drug companies will supply people in need with some prescriptions. It's done through your Dr. and financial verification is required. Search "free medication" or similar for current websites. Holler if you need any help.

 

[KID ROCK1]

I'm actualy a bit suprised right now,

The senate voted like 70 - 29 to invoke cloture on the medicare drug bill...This vote means that a filibuster will not be allowed and the bill will get an up-down vote...

I do not understand what is in this bill that makes it a good bill...It doesn't even go into effect until 2006...Thats strangely right smack in the middle of the next term of the president whether it be Bush or a democrat...

Its like Bush will be able to campaign for re-election saying that he delivered a drug benefit as he promised, but you won't get it for three more years...

^^^Thats just screwy if ya ask me...

Democrats are now raising some parlimentary objections to the bill in order to block the bill...One such objection is being debated now regarding some wacky budget point of order...

I just don't think the congress is listening to its constituents when it comes to this 1200 page piece of crap bill...You should checkout C-Span2, they have copies of the bill on all the desks...It looks more like a NY City Phone Book than a bill...

~i~

 

[ruminator]

The short time for review and rush to vote was the point Harkin was making. If it's more of a delayed impact bill, why the rush to a vote?

Maybe the Dems dropped opposition to it because of some of the help to some low income seniors. There could have been other hidden perks to write home about. Is there still another vote on this?

WASHINGTON (AP)--The Senate voted to choke off debate Monday on a historic Medicare prescription drug bill, but die-hard opponents vowed one final effort to scuttle the legislation they attacked as a boon to pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

The vote was 70-29, 10 more than the 60 needed to end a filibuster led by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and joined by a pair of Democratic presidential hopefuls eager to share the spotlight.

``Today is a momentous and historic day,'' Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said moments before the test vote on legislation that has been gridlocked for years. The Tennessee Republican accused opponents of resorting to ``procedural tricks to obstruct'' passage of legislation making the most sweeping changes in Medicare since the program's creation in 1965.

``The Senate is on trial,'' thundered Kennedy, leader of the opposition. ``Let us not turn our backs on our senior citizens so insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies can charge senior citizens even higher prices.''

Despite the outcome of the first vote, the bill's supporters expressed concern about a second procedural vote, expected later in the day. It, too, would require them to amass 60 votes to advance the bill to final passage.

http://www.news-journal.com/news/content/news/ap_story.html/Washington/AP.V6513.AP-Medicare.html;COXnetJSessionID=1CWI7OzpRcfl8IvtEK5E5g3w517tEx3yMsVf80e9bEp1y0IjC2Nn!-315763774?urac=n&urvf=10697006161720.8491047857835069

 

[KID ROCK1]

Well, its a done deal now...

The senate barely passed the bill by a vote of,

54 - 44...

Hardly a landslide victory or overwhelming bi-partisan support for this senior citizen rip-off and special interest slush fund...

I still say that come next Nov. that the republicans will be regreting the day they fucked with medicare...

~i~