The death of liberalism

[sr71plt]

Point of Harvey Weinstein and others is that men will use their power to seduce and rape women against their will

Yep conservative men and Republican men have been caught doing this as well--as has the president of the United States, on tape. You're sliding away from your initial posting on this--that it's liberals doing this. Your sliding into smoke and mirrors don't erase that.

 

[KUJACK]

How would you feel

Yep conservative men and Republican men have been caught doing this as well--as has the president of the United States, on tape. You're sliding away from your initial posting on this--that it's liberals doing this. Your sliding into smoke and mirrors don't erase that.

Say this happened to your daughter, and years later you find out that the man who did it was well know for doing this, but no one would tell
Would you be so forgiving?

Liberal Hollywood and the liberal press hid this for decades, can't you admit this is true?

I they had this much on Donald T. , it would have been reported ASAP

 

[sr71plt]

Say this happened to your daughter, and years later you find out that the man who did it was well know for doing this, but no one would tell
Would you be so forgiving?

Certainly not. That's only one reason I voted against that sexual predator, Donald Trump--who isn't a liberal, despite your posting that it's liberals doing this.

If you can't be accurate or nonpartisan, at least you are good about being disgusting, Kujack.

 

[SimonDoom]

Say this happened to your daughter, and years later you find out that the man who did it was well know for doing this, but no one would tell
Would you be so forgiving?

Liberal Hollywood and the liberal press hid this for decades, can't you admit this is true?

I they had this much on Donald T. , it would have been reported ASAP

A better comparison is Roger Ailes, a conservative media mogul who got away with his despicable behavior for years. The point is, contrary to your thread title, this has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. It's a problem that has no political boundaries or limits, and it has no implications for "liberalism." Conservative, powerful men do this, and they get away with it, and their friends and allies back them up. Liberal, powerful men do this, and they get away with it, and their friends and allies back them up.

As far as Trump is concerned, I think the remarkable thing is that 14 women came forward alleging sexual harassment and sexual assault, and he still got elected. The odds that 14 separate women are lying about Trump and that he is innocent of the accusations are very small, small enough that he has no business being president.

 

[Hypoxia]

Point of Harvey Weinstein and others is that men will use their power to seduce and rape women against their will

Men and women in power will use that power to compel others to their bidding. The perp may be in any position of authority: relative, teacher, preacher, current or prospective employer, superior officer, etc.

And we see that cow-orkers, bosses, colleagues, in any area will cover-up to maintain solidarity or for fear of exposure. Industry (including entertainment), military, law enforcement, the church -- all try to hide their filthy scandals.

Context: Is sexual abuse by an industry figure worse than rape in the military or by police? Do cops and generals get a pass? How about priests and their cover-up cardinals? A boss may threaten your job. A cop or soldier may threaten your life. A preacher may threaten your immortal soul. Do you see a difference in scale there, in the degree and deadliness of compulsion?

Covering-up for Weinstein is despicable. And if he committed rape, statutory or otherwise, he should be tried and punished. But cover-ups in organized heirarchies -- gov't or religious or corporate -- are criminal conspiracies, hard-time felonies. Jail those using their power to protect and enable such perps.

Tromp, who has a star on Hollyweird Blvd, has long known Weinstein and said he wasn't surprised. Was Tromp an enabler?

 

[NickStJohn]

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[MoonlightandRoses]

Kujack, the problem is not Liberalism or Conservatism or Democrat or Republican, part of the problem is people like you (in your first post) who tries to use this to slam one side. What this all shows is that we still live in a society that is dominated by men. This is what needs to be changed. Also, as the definition of Liberalism is “a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically :such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)” (see here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism) I sincerely hope that Liberalism does not die.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[BotanyBoy]

I agree. It's not a left-right issue,

Of course it NEVER is when (D)'s are doing it.

Only when (R)'s do it....

 

[BotanyBoy]

Kujack, the problem is not Liberalism or Conservatism or Democrat or Republican, part of the problem is people like you (in your first post) who tries to use this to slam one side.

LEAVE DEMOCRATS ALONE!!!
https://s.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/uQS1o2UVPtX1BjVdyiP9xw--~D/cm90YXRlPWF1dG87dz05NjA7YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVv/https://s.yimg.com/ea/img/-/170811/598d614fbce4d_1_chris_598d61365668e.jpg

What this all shows is that we still live in a society that is dominated by men. This is what needs to be changed.

It won't....women have had the opportunity for almost 100 years, haven't done a fucking thing with it.

Also, as the definition of Liberalism is “a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically :such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)” (see here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism) I sincerely hope that Liberalism does not die.

Moonlight and Roses,

You left out the part where it's highly capitalistic....something democrats HATE because the vast vast VAST majority aren't liberal.

Definition of liberalism

1 :the quality or state of being liberal
2 a often capitalized :a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b :a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see gold standard 1);
c :a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see autonomy 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically :such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class)
d capitalized :the principles and policies of a Liberal (see 1liberal 6b) party

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/liberalism

 

[flanneland]

Everything comes to an end, and so will this. The point of it was always linear, so there can be no continuity. Liberalism slit it's own throat.

 

[sr71plt]

Lot of posters here really feelin' threatened by liberalism. Pretty much proof it's not dead.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Lot of posters here really feelin' threatened by liberalism. Pretty much proof it's not dead.

^^ doesn't understand that liberalism isn't socialism and social justice.

 

[DMBFFF]

Harvey Weinstein...,

......

......that Hollywood will still exist

Liberalism isn't dead, but it needs some housecleaning.

^^ doesn't understand that liberalism isn't socialism and social justice.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/liberalism
Noun[edit]

liberalism (countable and uncountable, plural liberalisms)
1.The quality of being liberal.
2.(politics) Any political movement founded on the autonomy and personal freedom of the individual, progress and reform, and government by law with the consent of the governed. [quotations ▼]
3.(economics) An economic ideology in favour of laissez faire and the free market (related to economic liberalism).


http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberalism
Liberalism can refer to a number of political philosophies derived from Classical liberalism. In this article the American political platform referred to as "liberal" within the United States is contrasted with other meanings of the word, particularly in Europe and in other parliamentary democratic systems.

and

http://www.conservapedia.com/Similarities_between_Communism,_Nazism_and_liberalism
Similarities between Communism, Nazism and liberalism



I tend to favour Wiktionary's definition.

 

[Hypoxia]

The liberal arts are those studies necessary to live as a free person.

"The opposite of liberal is not conservative, but enslaved."

 

[sr71plt]

^^ doesn't understand that liberalism isn't socialism and social justice.

Well, no, you're the one conflating them, not me. I haven't mentioned "socialism" or "social justice" in connection to "liberalism" on this thread at all. That's the zaniness of you and your ilk. You're among those scared shitless by the term.

 

[DMBFFF]

The liberal arts are those studies necessary to live as a free person.

"The opposite of liberal is not conservative, but enslaved."

Pity the word "liberal" has become a sneer: even worse than guys boasting that they are conservative.

Conservatives sided with the British back in 1776.

 

[Hypoxia]

Pity the word "liberal" has become a sneer: even worse than guys boasting that they are conservative.

Conservatives sided with the British back in 1776.

CONSERVATIVES

•"A CONSERVATIVE is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run." --Elbert Hubbard
•"A CONSERVATIVE is one who admires RADICALS a century after they're dead." --Leo C. Rosten
•"CONSERVATIVES say government doesn't work, and then get elected and prove it." --P.J. O'Rourke

•"All CONSERVATISM is based upon the idea that if you leave things alone you leave them as they are. But you do not. If you leave a thing alone, you leave it to a torrent of change." --G.K. Chesterton
•"CONSERVATIVE: a statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the LIBERAL, who wishes to replace them with others." --Ambrose Bierce

•"Reform is affirmative, CONSERVATISM negative; CONSERVATISM goes for comfort, reform for truth." --Ralph Waldo Emerson
•"The CONSERVATIVE is a businessman's candidate, hovering around the status quo like a sick kitten around a hot brick." --William A. White
•"A CONSERVATIVE is one who believes that nothing should be done for the first time." --Alfred E. Wiggam

•"CONSERVATIVES are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are CONSERVATIVES." --John Stuart Mill
•"We CONSERVATIVES do not believe it necessary, and even if it were, we should oppose it." --Quentin Hogg
•"A CONSERVATIVE is someone who makes no changes and consults his grandmother when in doubt." --Woodrow Wilson

•"Suppose you were a heartless bastard, and suppose you were a CONSERVATIVE, but, .....I repeat myself." --Mark Twain
•"A CONSERVATIVE is a man who will not look at the new moon out of respect for that ancient institution, the old one." --Douglas Jerrold
•"A shiver ran through the CONSERVATIVES, frantically looking for a spine to run up." --Oliver Brown

ULTRA-CONSERVATIVES

•"A FASCIST is someone who kills because he can't argue." --Anon.
•"FASCISM is Capitalism plus murder." --Upton Sinclair
•"FASCISM is corporatism." --Benito Mussolini
•"FASCISM means war." --John Strachey

•"The ANARCHIST is responsible only to himself; the FASCIST is responsible only to the state." --Anon.
•"FASCISM is a religion; the twentieth century will be known in history as the century of FASCISM." --Benito Mussolini
•"A FASCIST is any person whose politics elevates the importance of one's nation, or Fatherland, above all humanist values such as television and Spring Break." --Anon.

 

[KUJACK]

I like

Groucho Marx famously said,
A politician is an elected official who looks for problems and finding them everywhere makes laws to make them worse.

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Botany Boy, whether it will change or not it is what needs to be changed. Posting an insulting picture of a woman puts you on the wrong side of history.

If you want to talk about the “theory in economics” the extreme case of that was killed by the depression of the 1930s, not by liberals.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

I hope that all sexually and physically abusive men are brought to justice, whether they are from Hollywood, Wall Street, Government or Sports and whether they are Democrats or Republicans.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[BotanyBoy]

L
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/liberalism
Noun[edit]

liberalism (countable and uncountable, plural liberalisms)
1.The quality of being liberal.
2.(politics) Any political movement founded on the autonomy and personal freedom of the individual, progress and reform, and government by law with the consent of the governed. [quotations ▼]
3.(economics) An economic ideology in favour of laissez faire and the free market (related to economic liberalism).

I tend to favour Wiktionary's definition.

It's the proper one, as opposed to the common slang version which has been bastardized into being a synonym for socialist.

Well, no, you're the one conflating them, not me. I haven't mentioned "socialism" or "social justice" in connection to "liberalism" on this thread at all. That's the zaniness of you and your ilk. You're among those scared shitless by the term.

No I'm not.

Not on this thread but your open support of socialism and socialist policy (and nothing liberal) while also enjoying the label "liberal" even though their isn't a fucking thing liberal at all about your brand of very socialist leaning left wing politics is apparent throughout your posting history on both this board and in the GB. It is a clear demonstration you've got about as bad a case of conflating liberalism with socialism as your average Trump supporter.

Me and my ilk, liberals?

You think liberals are scared shitless by the term liberal?

LOL you're a fucking moron.

Botany Boy, whether it will change or not it is what needs to be changed.

Sounds like more women need to start running for office and more importantly getting out there and voting for other women then.

Posting an insulting picture of a woman puts you on the wrong side of history.

I didn't post it, she did.

History is subjective and can go fuck itself.

If you want to talk about the “theory in economics” the extreme case of that was killed by the depression of the 1930s, not by liberals.

Moonlight and Roses,

That extreme case is called liberalism.....I know it wasn't liberals who killed the liberalism that led to the depression of the 1930's.

It was the lefties out there who wanted more government control over the means and markets, pro centrally planed economy types (socialist) who killed liberalism as a response to the great depression that liberalism caused.

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Botany Boy, More women are running for office and more women are voting. If it was just up to the popular vote we would have a woman President now. But it is more than just the government.

The picture was in your post, you posted it.

I don’t understand your last comment to me, but in any case the ones who killed that extreme case was the average voter who overwhelmingly voted for the Democrats who put the “New Deal” in place.

Moonlight and Roses,

 

[oggbashan]

John Emerich Edward Dalberg-Acton, 1st Baron Acton, KCVO DL (10 January 1834 – 19 June 1902) was an English Catholic historian, politician, and writer...

He is perhaps best known for the remark in a letter to an Anglican bishop,

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men,..."

 

[BotanyBoy]

Botany Boy, More women are running for office and more women are voting.

So then no problem.

If it was just up to the popular vote we would have a woman President now. But it is more than just the government.

But we don't do mob rule and her "fuck white working class people" campaign cost her the win.

Better luck next time.

The picture was in your post, you posted it.

No, she's the one who put it on the internet.

I'm just sharing.

I don’t understand your last comment to me, but in any case the ones who killed that extreme case was the average voter who overwhelmingly voted for the Democrats who put the “New Deal” in place.

Moonlight and Roses,

Let me simplify.

Liberals are ultra capitalistic, max freedom, and equal treatment under the law people, not socialists.

Liberals said "NO new deal!!!" .

Socialist said "Yay government re-distribution of wealth!" and rejoiced.

 

[MoonlightandRoses]

Botany Boy, you say that there is no problem with the sexual abuse going on; you call the popular vote “mob rule;” you post a picture and say you didn’t; and you disregard the pain the average voter was under during the depression. I’m not responding to you any more.

Moonlight and Roses,