The Next Generation

[richard_daily]

Wesley Crusher was really fucking annoying.

No shit.

Not quite AJ level annoying, but up there.

 

[WoundedKnee]

... when within the rule of law. The type of greed I'm talking about is breaking/bending/rewriting the law to suit their own purpose. That isn't self-interest, it's corruption.

No disagreement there. Perhaps you should have made that distinction originally.

 

[stickygirl]

No disagreement there. Perhaps you should have made that distinction originally.

No - you added the self-interest twist and confused yourself. If you understand the difference between greed and self-interest, why assume I can't and that I am making generalisations?

So there must be a watershed somewhere: who decides where self-interest ends and corruption begins? It's surely a subjective matter. I'd add a precursor to self-interest, which is self-preservation but lets not complicate things.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Why is it subjective when you finally said that it was not self-interest but criminality that defined your use of the word greed? Breaking the law is pretty much an objective standard.

 

[trysail]

The maroons of the media, the gullible innumerates and scientific illiterates, and the impressionable young have been sold a bill of goods by well-intentioned but foolish "world savers" who have been deceived by the promoters of "The Greatest Scientific Fraud in History."

...I decided to run for governor because California’s young people, middle class, and poor are being sold out.

California can be a light unto the world for its efforts to achieve prosperity and nature for all — not just the wealthy and those of us who are lucky enough to own a home.

Energy Problem …

At Shellenberger for Governor, the ‘Prosperity for All’ section emphasizes energy as a problem area for the Golden State.

Energy is more expensive in California than in most of the rest of the U.S. Expensive energy hurts poorer Californians directly and drives manufacturers out of the state. Electricity prices rose five times more between 2011 and 2017 in California than they did nationally, so that today we spend 60 percent more than the rest of the nation.

California is hostile to manufacturing. California manufacturers pay nearly 100 percent more for electricity than manufacturers pay nationally. “California is not a competitive place for a manufacturing company,” concluded a report that surveyed manufacturers. “Costs, regulations, permitting delays, a lack of incentives, high labor costs and a high tax rate among other factors make it very difficult for manufacturers to do business in California.”
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“Suggesting that renewables will let us phase rapidly off fossil fuels in the United States, China, India, or the world as a whole is almost the equivalent of believing in the Easter Bunny and Tooth Fairy”
-James Hansen, Ph.D.

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[trysail]

There has been a lot of talk recently about how the next generation is going to change things in our society and in our world for the better. It's mostly related to the hyperventilation over the recent mass shootings. History tells us that things are not going to change appreciably. My generation produced the greatest counter-cultural shift in American history and we are still royally fucked up. We brought you Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. We couldn't even get pot legalized. The next generation is stupider than us, just as we were stupider than the generation before us.

You're right about one thing: the hippies were some of the dumbest, most spoiled motherfuckers the world has ever seen.


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[coati]

I encourage the Next Generation to ignore the dried-up and bitter right-wing prunes on this board, and do what is right. Each generation can do big things, if they choose to do so.

Members of my generation stopped an unjust war, conducted a massive civil rights movement, and initiated the digital technology I am now using to write this message. Be proud of what your generation can accomplish, and keep standing up to the intolerant right wing, like David Hogg did recently.

 

[Antryg_Windrose]

You're right about one thing: the hippies were some of the dumbest, most spoiled motherfuckers the world has ever seen.​

Your jealousy is showing.​

 

[WoundedKnee]

I encourage the Next Generation to ignore the dried-up and bitter right-wing prunes on this board, and do what is right. Each generation can do big things, if they choose to do so.

Members of my generation stopped an unjust war, conducted a massive civil rights movement, and initiated the digital technology I am now using to write this message. Be proud of what your generation can accomplish, and keep standing up to the intolerant right wing, like David Hogg did recently.

And your "dried-up and bitter right-wing prunes" put a man on the moon, laid the groundwork for the "tech" generation and were the ones who mattered when it came to the Civil Rights movement. They did the right thing. They were made of the right stuff. The only thing that you have displayed here is how pure hate motivates some people for the majority of their lives and, in their bitterness, they try to inculcate the next generation with a burning hate for those outside of the tribe.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Why is it subjective when you finally said that it was not self-interest but criminality that defined your use of the word greed? Breaking the law is pretty much an objective standard.

I agree. As for myself, I've done several things in my youth I knew was breaking the law, but I didn't care then when I knew it was wrong. An ex friend and I broke into a soda machine when we were teens. It was nothing violent and no one got hurt. Fear alone prevented me from doing it again. What worried me most were 2 things: Would they get my fingerprints? - Did I take money that belonged to the vendor who had mouths to feed?

I wasn't alone, we didn't get caught, and I kept my mouth shut for about 30 yrs. Even then, I never uttered the name of my accomplice. I don't rat on those considered true friends. I learned a few months after that my accomplice was jailed for something else and ratted on me for my role in the vending machine. It was his idea, but like a fool, I played along.

Though I remained silent, I paid him an unfriendly visit at his home one morning. Only he and I knew why I came. He did kick my butt and I fought much better than believed possible. He was a bad ass fucker, I was not known for fighting. Nor have I ever been a coward. We never spoke to each other again and he steered clear of me whenever we crossed paths.

His mother broke it up. I left out respect for her and it was her house. I made my point very clear to her son that day. Had she called the police, I still would have kept my mouth shut about why I was really there. Except maybe to her in private counsel as I believe it would have been her right to know the truth.

In those old school days, guys simply didn't rat on each other for stupid stuff like that. It was an unspoken code. And we didn't use words to mix it up. Most don't see it that way and can't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

 

[WoundedKnee]

I smoked dope and protested the war. Then I grew up and decided to do more productive things with my life. You know, legal stuff, like hanging out in bars and picking up the 3AM sluts.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

I smoked dope and protested the war. Then I grew up and decided to do more productive things with my life. You know, legal stuff, like hanging out in bars and picking up the 3AM sluts.

You learned through the school of hard knocks. Most, not all, young folks today keep smoking the dope or whatever drug is out there. They keep doping as the world continues to pass by.

 

[KimGordon67]

I agree. As for myself, I've done several things in my youth I knew was breaking the law, but I didn't care then when I knew it was wrong. An ex friend and I broke into a soda machine when we were teens. It was nothing violent and no one got hurt. Fear alone prevented me from doing it again. What worried me most were 2 things: Would they get my fingerprints? - Did I take money that belonged to the vendor who had mouths to feed?

I wasn't alone, we didn't get caught, and I kept my mouth shut for about 30 yrs. Even then, I never uttered the name of my accomplice. I don't rat on those considered true friends. I learned a few months after that my accomplice was jailed for something else and ratted on me for my role in the vending machine. It was his idea, but like a fool, I played along.

Though I remained silent, I paid him an unfriendly visit at his home one morning. Only he and I knew why I came. He did kick my butt and I fought much better than believed possible. He was a bad ass fucker, I was not known for fighting. Nor have I ever been a coward. We never spoke to each other again and he steered clear of me whenever we crossed paths.

His mother broke it up. I left out respect for her and it was her house. I made my point very clear to her son that day. Had she called the police, I still would have kept my mouth shut about why I was really there. Except maybe to her in private counsel as I believe it would have been her right to know the truth.

In those old school days, guys simply didn't rat on each other for stupid stuff like that. It was an unspoken code. And we didn't use words to mix it up. Most don't see it that way and can't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

Good grief. What IS this twaddle?

 

[bellisarius]

There is some hope. J. B. Peterson is setting the web on fire and his book is doing well too. His book is a sort of "How to Grow Up" manual that is resonating with both genders but primarily young males.

 

[KimGordon67]

Is it just me, or does this thread feature a high than usual number of old guys lamenting how the world has gone, and trying to be relevant? Should it be moved to the 'Get off my lawn' board?

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

I encourage the Next Generation to ignore the dried-up and bitter right-wing prunes on this board, and do what is right. Each generation can do big things, if they choose to do so.

Members of my generation stopped an unjust war, conducted a massive civil rights movement, and initiated the digital technology I am now using to write this message. Be proud of what your generation can accomplish, and keep standing up to the intolerant right wing, like David Hogg did recently.

You're saying the next Generation(s) can't do that? That they're different somehow because they haven't experienced the same things? There's a few Parkland Students who disagree w/David Hogg, they refuse to 'follow the script' groups like CNN wrote out for them. Young minds speaking their beliefs just like ours.

There's many unjust wars, mine has stopped several while participating in others.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Good grief. What IS this twaddle?

As I said in the post that confuses you, most can't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

 

[WoundedKnee]

You learned through the school of hard knocks. Most, not all, young folks today keep smoking the dope or whatever drug is out there. They keep doping as the world continues to pass by.

And we treat them as something special.
Hell, according to some of our laws, we don't even consider them adults until the age of 26.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Is it just me, or does this thread feature a high than usual number of old guys lamenting how the world has gone, and trying to be relevant? Should it be moved to the 'Get off my lawn' board?

Trying to be relevant is relevant to old guys.

 

[KimGordon67]

As I said in the post that confuses you, most can't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

No, I totally get it - you broke into a soda vending machine but you didn't rat out your mate, because of the 'code', but you beat him up because he broke the 'code'. It's not difficult to understand at all. (And I think you're bad-ass is a sub-text here ... that's sort of the bit I'm struggling with.)

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

And we treat them as something special.
Hell, according to some of our laws, we don't even consider them adults until the age of 26.

We still have hope in spite of it all. A hope that helps make the world turn.

 

[WoundedKnee]

There is some hope. J. B. Peterson is setting the web on fire and his book is doing well too. His book is a sort of "How to Grow Up" manual that is resonating with both genders but primarily young males.

I made the point early on in this thread that we tend to focus on one (or more) aspect(s) of a subset of a generation and then define them as that and deemphasize the idea that human behavior and belief are consistent throughout the centuries and even when one tendency predominates others are still bubbling beneath the surface.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

No, I totally get it - you broke into a soda vending machine but you didn't rat out your mate, because of the 'code', but you beat him up because he broke the 'code'. It's not difficult to understand at all. (And I think you're bad-ass is a sub-text here ... that's sort of the bit I'm struggling with.)

Where did I say I beat him up? Comprehend much? I understand your struggle. Bashing me for something you know nothing about that happened over 30 yrs ago?

 

[WoundedKnee]

We still have hope in spite of it all. A hope that helps make the world turn.

Yes that is the sun of what bellisarius posted and I responded to.

 

[ThatsTheGuy]

Yes that is the sun of what bellisarius posted and I responded to.

This thread is outing a lot of posters. Myself included.