The Queernesss Thread

[KoPilot]

KP, that's the thing about being gender queer-- you can say "AFAB" and they have to let you in.
Fair is fair, after all. If you've been saddled with all the negatives of your assigned sex, you have every right to enjoy whatever positives might come along.

If they say no, then I think I might actually come out in a limited capacity: "Smut Peddler won't let me submit as a sole creator; any of my lady friends want credit on a submission without having to do much of anything?"

It just opens up a whole nasty can of worms that, if I were them, I honestly wouldn't want to deal with to be honest, lol. But as soon as they said "woman participation required", they put themselves up to the task of defining what a woman is. I guess its their own damn fault, lol. Oy, leave it to binaries to not even think this stuff through.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Wish I did comics! This stuff I'm writing right now is perfect for it. Especially since a picture is worht a thuosand words, and its taking me thousands of words just to describe the wierdass kinky sex that's inmy head.

KoPilot, are you interested in reading tiny masochistic fairies being topped by humans? There's a lot of eentsy genital torture, that's how I roll evidently.



I haven't done giant mecha tops yet.

 

[Allyourbase]

I had to google Smut Peddler. (Which I don't get, since I love comics and write porn. And draw. Well, used to draw. But still.) And I'm glad I did.

Also: Yay for AFAB benefits.

 

[KoPilot]

Wish I did comics! This stuff I'm writing right now is perfect for it. Especially since a picture is worht a thuosand words, and its taking me thousands of words just to describe the wierdass kinky sex that's inmy head.

KoPilot, are you interested in reading tiny masochistic fairies being topped by humans? There's a lot of eentsy genital torture, that's how I roll evidently.



I haven't done giant mecha tops yet.

Be glad you don't have to contend with the reality of Kirby's advice: "Comics will break your heart." And oh do they!

And yes, I would be interested in reading about masochistic faeries!

Muahaha my plan to get someone to write my porn for me here is working, yesss. It won't be long until you can no longer deny the allure of metal plates gliding across one another, cabling hot to the touch, a body with edges and seams, dense, heavy, and tightly packed, always at the risk of being crushed... yess, yess! -cackles with lightning flashing in the background-

 

[KoPilot]

I had to google Smut Peddler. (Which I don't get, since I love comics and write porn. And draw. Well, used to draw. But still.) And I'm glad I did.

Also: Yay for AFAB benefits.

I never got the chance to buy the previous one (or rather I kept forgetting), but I absolutely always loved the idea, even if nothing in there would be things I actually found all that hot.

I admit that I'll love it slightly less if GQs aren't allowed in. At this point, though, I'm somewhat resigned to make a public fuss about it should they say no or conveniently never get back to me.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Be glad you don't have to contend with the reality of Kirby's advice: "Comics will break your heart." And oh do they!

And yes, I would be interested in reading about masochistic faeries!

Muahaha my plan to get someone to write my porn for me here is working, yesss. It won't be long until you can no longer deny the allure of metal plates gliding across one another, cabling hot to the touch, a body with edges and seams, dense, heavy, and tightly packed, always at the risk of being crushed... yess, yess! -cackles with lightning flashing in the background-

Lemme see what I can do...

 

[KoPilot]

Lemme see what I can do...

I'm just kidding, haha. I don't proselytize so much as make fun of myself. I DID somewhat convert a friend once which was cool though... :>

 

[Stella_Omega]

I'm just kidding, haha. I don't proselytize so much as make fun of myself. I DID somewhat convert a friend once which was cool though... :>

Dude, I am very susceptible to suggestion ATM. Now's your chance!

If you can help me understand it, I can-- and I will-- write it.

 

[KoPilot]

Dude, I am very susceptible to suggestion ATM. Now's your chance!

If you can help me understand it, I can-- and I will-- write it.

I think my kinks come from a pretty fundamentally different place than most people's-- instead of having them come from fascinations with humiliation or wahtever, mine come from fascinations with death, plain and simple. Someone behind Family guy did like a 10 second animation about Optimus Prime fucking a woman, and then upon orgasming transforming into a truck and crushing her. It was funny in a dumb way, but that's basically it for me. The idea that my hand could get bitten off (accidentally swallowing my whole was something I was way fascinated with too, but vore's a bit different lol) or I could get stepped on or electrocuted (radiation poisoning, not so hot ). Not sure if that's something that could be taught...

I guess just pretend though that it's someone wearing a really big costume that has a million built-in sex and body-bondage toys that they can control at will.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yeahm the vore thing not so much for me. In fact my fairies, one of the things I like about them is how they are pretty much made out of rubber and duct tape-- they can handle atrocious bodily distortion and say "wow, that prickles!"

 

[KoPilot]

Yeahm the vore thing not so much for me. In fact my fairies, one of the things I like about them is how they are pretty much made out of rubber and duct tape-- they can handle atrocious bodily distortion and say "wow, that prickles!"

Neat! Ok where's the link

 

[bhndblueyes88]

Yeahm the vore thing not so much for me. In fact my fairies, one of the things I like about them is how they are pretty much made out of rubber and duct tape-- they can handle atrocious bodily distortion and say "wow, that prickles!"

*giggle* That mental image is super entertaining to me.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Neat! Ok where's the link

http://stellaomega.com/series/fucking-fairy-tales/

I could really use feedback...

 

[KoPilot]

I never got the chance to buy the previous one (or rather I kept forgetting), but I absolutely always loved the idea, even if nothing in there would be things I actually found all that hot.

I admit that I'll love it slightly less if GQs aren't allowed in. At this point, though, I'm somewhat resigned to make a public fuss about it should they say no or conveniently never get back to me.

Bleh, where did my confidence go? I'm in a "I'm not entitled to anything but my own isolation" mood.

I think maybe it would just be better if I kept the qualm far, far away from the likes of tumblr either way, for sure. I can't stand tumblr SJ half the time. But it really does make me ask myself the question again-- where the hell do the nonbinaries go for anything? Trans* binary people can be just as awful, if not worse than cisfolk. And then there are the woman-power feminists that think that anyone but a hard binary woman is a potential enemy and doesn't belong in Their Space. And it's like, yeah... we don't need to piggyback on everyone else all the time (and we sure as hell don't) but what function does it serve to exclude all the other AFABs who aren't men too? How does that makes thing better?

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[KoPilot]

http://stellaomega.com/series/fucking-fairy-tales/

I could really use feedback...

I need a login... d'oh!

 

[Stella_Omega]

I need a login... d'oh!

Register, please? it's not the kind of stuff I want out there hither and yon!

 

[KoPilot]

Register, please? it's not the kind of stuff I want out there hither and yon!

Oh, I thought it was something that needed doing on your end.

...

Oy, I forget I'm on a sex forum sometimes. xD

 

[Bramblethorn]

(came across this thread late, but WTH)

The topic in question is: How can I explain to a straight person that using the word "Queer" as a "joking insult" is bad and that they, as a straight person, saying that they SHOULD be able to use the word "Since they do" and not getting to is "hypocritical", I want to be able to explain to them briefly and -as kindly as possible- so that they don't shut down and become defensive and refuse to listen to me.

I know that the word originated as a slur and is being co-opted by the community in order to take back some small piece of power back from the privileged. But I don't think that adequately explains the WHY at all.

The N-word explanation is a good one, at least in a US context where people are familiar with the baggage.

Another possible parallel:

Jim has diabetes and frequently injects himself with insulin. But when *I* approach him with a needle and try to inject him, he gets angry and won't let me! And he won't even explain to me when it would be OK to inject him. Isn't that hypocritical of him?

Of course it bloody isn't. Number one, managing diabetes is a complicated issue. He probably has a lot more experience with this stuff than I do and is much more competent to gauge when he does and doesn't need insulin... and it's NOT his responsibility to explain the nuances to me just so I can indulge my desire to poke him with needles. (Parallel: words like "queer" have a lot of complicated baggage that can depend very much on context. Most straight people don't have a lot of experience with that nuance.)

Number two, it's his health that's at stake, not mine. (Parallel: when "queer" is used as an insult, it's not straight people who suffer.)

 

[satindesire]

(came across this thread late, but WTH)



The N-word explanation is a good one, at least in a US context where people are familiar with the baggage.

Another possible parallel:

Jim has diabetes and frequently injects himself with insulin. But when *I* approach him with a needle and try to inject him, he gets angry and won't let me! And he won't even explain to me when it would be OK to inject him. Isn't that hypocritical of him?

Of course it bloody isn't. Number one, managing diabetes is a complicated issue. He probably has a lot more experience with this stuff than I do and is much more competent to gauge when he does and doesn't need insulin... and it's NOT his responsibility to explain the nuances to me just so I can indulge my desire to poke him with needles. (Parallel: words like "queer" have a lot of complicated baggage that can depend very much on context. Most straight people don't have a lot of experience with that nuance.)

Number two, it's his health that's at stake, not mine. (Parallel: when "queer" is used as an insult, it's not straight people who suffer.)

Thank you. I feel maybe I did the right thing, hearing this again.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Thank you. I feel maybe I did the right thing, hearing this again.

You did indeed

 

[satindesire]

You did indeed

Thank you. I'm -trying- really hard to -listen, to stand up when I see someone say something bigoted, and to be a good ally!

 

[KoPilot]

Well, Smut Peddler updated their FAQ to answer my question: http://www.ironcircus.com/smut_peddler_2014/

I dunno, I'm getting weird vibes from their response. I feel like we're being ushered off to a kid's table because "shh the adults are talking". And funnily enough, this is the vibe that I get from every trans*-friendly binary space I go into. Even on Susan's Place, where I've taken to posting in the recent months, is completely MtF/FtM outside of the single subforum dedicated to "androgyns". Everywhere I go I feel the binarist attitude toward us is to think of us as confused, childlike people playing at being trans* who don't need full recognition because we're not a real category of identity.

And, yes, nobody should be conflating their gender with their anatomy, but when there is a "men vs women" dichotomy implicitly being supported (which is what you do when you send the message of "women first and foremost because it's a male dominated industry") and M or F are your only options, what else is there to work with if you don't want to completely remove yourself from the system? It's such a simple thing to spout out if you're binary.

I really want to be optimistic about this, but I'm having a hard time doing it.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Well, Smut Peddler updated their FAQ to answer my question: http://www.ironcircus.com/smut_peddler_2014/

I dunno, I'm getting weird vibes from their response. I feel like we're being ushered off to a kid's table because "shh the adults are talking".

I read absolutely nothing of that sort, honestly.

Q: I was AFAB (assigned female at birth), but I don't identify as a woman. Can I participate in Smut Peddler?
A: SP accepts the basic tenets of gender identity: biology is not identity, gender is not binary, and identity is strongly personal (and can be complex). With that in mind, the only criteria of a potential SP participant's gender is what they consider themselves to be. Every person's gender identity is valid to us! So, if a person identifies as a woman, then they can submit a proposal to SP solo. If they do not identify as a woman, they need to seek out a creative partner that does before submitting.

I reiterate that everyone (18 years old and older!) is welcome to submit to Smut Peddler! But a female-identified creator is a required part of all submissions.

That being said, we here at Smut Peddler can definitely empathize with the situation many questioning, trans, genderqueer, and agender folk find themselves in: a scarcity of awesome filth that reflects them as both consumers and creators. And we're workin' on a remedy. Stay tuned.

I think that's pretty damn fair, really. Balancing the original intent of the people doing the very hard work of management and creation-- with the understood need for further change.

 

[KoPilot]

I read absolutely nothing of that sort, honestly.

I think that's pretty damn fair, really. Balancing the original intent of the people doing the very hard work of management and creation-- with the understood need for further change.

I think it really just depends on what the "remedy" is, tbh.

If it's another book that they're thinking about putting together, then that's a helluva lot more work than just loosening the submission requirements a little. (There really aren't that many nonbinaries out there.) And at this point, it might even be overkill.

But hey, if they want to put together a book (instead of, say, just a submission-based tumblog, which is something more along the lines of what I'm expecting), then I'm not gonna complain one bit.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I think it really just depends on what the "remedy" is, tbh.

If it's another book that they're thinking about putting together, then that's a helluva lot more work than just loosening the submission requirements a little. (There really aren't that many nonbinaries out there.) And at this point, it might even be overkill.

But hey, if they want to put together a book (instead of, say, just a submission-based tumblog, which is something more along the lines of what I'm expecting), then I'm not gonna complain one bit.

Want to add me to your project? I id as a transmasculine woman. My job will be 'standing by and applauding every panel' and occasionally dotting an i or crossing a t.