The Russian people

[Wilson23]

The ongoing war is Putin's war of choice and nothing else. The Russian people were not clamoring for war with Ukraine, not frightened of the prospect of one more NATO member on Russia's boder. And they have nothing to GAIN by this war. Winning it will not make the Russian people any safer, or richer, or freer. And losing it will not cost them anything but taxes.

If Putin decided to END it, he would face no political opposition at all to that decision -- not even from the military.

Am I wrong on any point here?

 

[Venefica]

Yes, I am afraid you are wrong.

I got the impression that many Russians agree to Putins superpower fantasy and like the attempt to regain the old strength ... at least as long as only the Russian minorities and crminals die for that dream.

 

[Wilson23]

Yes, I am afraid you are wrong.

I got the impression that many Russians agree to Putins superpower fantasy and like the attempt to regain the old strength ... at least as long as only the Russian minorities and crminals die for that dream.

How nostalgic are they for Soviet Communism?

 

[Venefica]

I assume that a significant part want that time back, similar to a significant part of the East Germans

 

[Wilson23]

I assume that a significant part want that time back, similar to a significant part of the East Germans

But never quite enough to win elections for Communists.

 

[SebastianHolt]

The ongoing war is Putin's war of choice and nothing else. The Russian people were not clamoring for war with Ukraine, not frightened of the prospect of one more NATO member on Russia's boder. And they have nothing to GAIN by this war. Winning it will not make the Russian people any safer, or richer, or freer. And losing it will not cost them anything but taxes.

If Putin decided to END it, he would face no political opposition at all to that decision -- not even from the military.

Am I wrong on any point here?

and what do you know about Russia? Ever been there?

 

[Wilson23]

and what do you know about Russia? Ever been there?

I studied the language in college. More importantly, I have studied the history, medieval to present.

 

[Wilson23]

Since this is Putin's personal war of choice, it will go on until he gets sick and tired of it.

So how much longer will THAT take?

 

[Holy_Seduction]

Am I wrong on any point here?

On every conceivable point.

This was never about territorial aggrandizement and was always about security.

NATO weaponry on Russian Federation borders were always the issue. As soon as NATO membership is conferred, that means NATO weaponry on RF borders. That positions an increasingly unstable Western alliance in position for decapitation strikes.

Here is a partial list of times in which this has been communicated to Western ‘leaders.’

2004: Putin advised NATO leaders that this is the Federation’s ultimate red line.

2007: Putin's Munich Security Conference speech.

2008: Wm. Burns, US Ambassador to the Russian Federation published a vital paper on this matter.

Dmitry Medvedev's remarks at the NATO summit.

2014: Putin's statement after Crimea's annexation.

2016: Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov's comments on NATO expansion.

2019: Putin's speech at the Valdai Discussion Club.

Statements from the Russian Foreign Ministry about NATO's "open door" policy.

2020: Lavrov's comments on NATO exercises near Russian borders.

The Security Council of Russia Statements regarding NATO's influence in Eastern Europe.

2021: Medvedev's warning regarding NATO military presence in Ukraine.

Dmitry Peskov's remarks on NATO's role in regional security.

Putin's discussions with world leaders about NATO expansion during bilateral meetings.

2021-2022: Russian military officials' warnings about NATO's military buildup.

2022: Statements from Russian officials during the Ukraine crisis about NATO encroachment.

However provoked [on many occasions], the Federation incursion into Ukraine is an utterly reactionary position which ultimately fails to resolve any of the issues related to Capitalism’s systemic crises that drive the conflict.

Even as the Special Military Operation grinds Ukraine defenses, other states are being groomed to maintain the conflict.

The Russian Federation can no more extricate itself from this conflict than the US and Europe can no more extract itself from its crimes ongoing in West Asia, Latin America, Africa, etc.

Moreover, President Putin does not ‘call the shots’ as some western corporate ‘news and spews’ agencies pretend; the RF has a constitution, governing bodies seated with elected officials, protocol, laws, etc. as is true of any mature nation.

If you actually believe that the Federation is ruled by fiat, I really can’t defend you when the fascistic right participants censor you for stupidity.

How should members see you?

You decide.

 

[direstraits]

when it comes to anything which Russia does, why do we ignore the fact that its USA which funds coups/creates instability/funds wars all around the world and the ukraine conflict began when USA funded a coup in Ukraine back in 2014 creating instability in russia's neighborhood, imagine if russia funded a coup in mexico and placed a leader who listened to them ? the collective west dont care a rats ass about ukraine or its people, they even said they will fight russia to the last ukrainian, cant you see it ? they are using ukraine as toilet paper to do their dirty work and ukrainians have been brainwashed to that extent that they are losing land/people and already poor demographics are getting worse, remember, russia has issues with neighbors which is very normal, india had wars conflicts with pakistan, south and north korea have issues, china and taiwan have issues, all these nations are neighbors, but russia does not fight wars or fund coups on the other side of the planet ,

 

[ll74]

when it comes to anything which Russia does, why do we ignore the fact that its USA which funds coups/creates instability/funds wars all around the world and the ukraine conflict began when USA funded a coup in Ukraine back in 2014 creating instability in russia's neighborhood, imagine if russia funded a coup in mexico and placed a leader who listened to them ? the collective west dont care a rats ass about ukraine or its people, they even said they will fight russia to the last ukrainian, cant you see it ? they are using ukraine as toilet paper to do their dirty work and ukrainians have been brainwashed to that extent that they are losing land/people and already poor demographics are getting worse, remember, russia has issues with neighbors which is very normal, india had wars conflicts with pakistan, south and north korea have issues, china and taiwan have issues, all these nations are neighbors, but russia does not fight wars or fund coups on the other side of the planet ,

"Why is Russia treated so unfairly?"

Oh hell...stfu

 

[ll74]

Moreover, President Putin does not ‘call the shots’ as some western corporate ‘news and spews’ agencies pretend; the RF has a constitution, governing bodies seated with elected officials, protocol, laws, etc. as is true of any mature nation.

Putin calls the shots.
He kills everyone who disagrees.
The governing bodies are there because Putin lets them be there.
That's what dictators do.

 

[Hel_Books]

when it comes to anything which Russia does, why do we ignore the fact that its USA which funds coups/creates instability/funds wars all around the world and the ukraine conflict began when USA funded a coup in Ukraine back in 2014 creating instability in russia's neighborhood, imagine if russia funded a coup in mexico and placed a leader who listened to them ? the collective west dont care a rats ass about ukraine or its people, they even said they will fight russia to the last ukrainian, cant you see it ? they are using ukraine as toilet paper to do their dirty work and ukrainians have been brainwashed to that extent that they are losing land/people and already poor demographics are getting worse, remember, russia has issues with neighbors which is very normal, india had wars conflicts with pakistan, south and north korea have issues, china and taiwan have issues, all these nations are neighbors, but russia does not fight wars or fund coups on the other side of the planet ,

Um, "funded a coup"? The USA has proven singularly ineffective at "regime change" pretty much everywhere. To say that somehow the USA caused Ukraine to have anti-Russian (can you say "Holodomor"? I knew you could!) sentiments is simply ludicrous.

 

[direstraits]

Um, "funded a coup"? The USA has proven singularly ineffective at "regime change" pretty much everywhere. To say that somehow the USA caused Ukraine to have anti-Russian (can you say "Holodomor"? I knew you could!) sentiments is simply ludicrous.

are you serious or joking ? i think you are living in a tiny hole many kilometers under the earth, will you deny and deflect the fact that US kidnapped venezuelan president recently and placed a new one to sing US tone ? you had victoria nuland handing out bread loves to babushkas on the day of the coup in ukraine in 2014 and john mccain giving a speech on stage, will you deny and deflect the fact that us invaded iraq in 2002 on the false pretext of weapons of mass destruction just to milk iraqi oil and saddam hussein was planning to move away from the us dollar, thousands of us soldiers died and injured, thousands of iraqi's died and displaced, you really lack wisdom to know the difference, go and listen to BBC/CNN/MSNBC/ABC/telegraph, so you can get your daily dose of brainwashing,

 

[Sign54]

Putin calls the shots.
He kills everyone who disagrees.
The governing bodies are there because Putin lets them be there.
That's what dictators do.

Yeah. He talks and walks like a dictator. He even used the "people who speak our language exist in another country, lets invade them to protect them" excuse

 

[ll74]

Yeah. He talks and walks like a dictator. He even used the "people who speak our language exist in another country, lets invade them to protect them" excuse

He is a dictator.