Ukraine redux.

[MajorRewrite]

Four years later, the map is essentially unchanged:

https://understandingwar.org/resear...-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-11-2026/

Your runty idol Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has certainly been a humiliating fiasco for him.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Trouble's a brewin' in downtown Moscow. Some of the Oligarchs, members of the Duma, and Putin's staunchest propagandists in the media are starting to turn on ole Vlad. This comes on the heels of Ukraine announcing they have a home-grown ballistic missile that will hold Moscow at risk. Surprising advances by the Ukrainian Army on the front. Loss to two allies (Iran and Venezuela) with a third (Cuba) to follow. And further cratering of the Russian economy.

 

[73Seahawks]

Trouble's a brewin' in downtown Moscow. Some of the Oligarchs, members of the Duma, and Putin's staunchest propagandists in the media are starting to turn on ole Vlad. This comes on the heels of Ukraine announcing they have a home-grown ballistic missile that will hold Moscow at risk. Surprising advances by the Ukrainian Army on the front. Loss to two allies (Iran and Venezuela) with a third (Cuba) to follow. And further cratering of the Russian economy.

The Forgotten War.

 

[Rightguide]

What part of all that was supposed to get Russia OUT of Ukraine?

They won't be getting out of Ukraine, They will keep the Donbas and Crimea.

 

[ll74]

They won't be getting out of Ukraine, They will keep the Donbas and Crimea.

They don't control the entirety of Donbas.

 

[Rightguide]

Your runty idol Putin’s invasion of Ukraine has certainly been a humiliating fiasco for him.

Shut up with that juvenile nonsense. Don't confuse my insistence on a belief in reality as support for Putin. All of your cheerleading for the fantasy of a Ukrainian victory is exactly that. It was never in the realm of possibility as long as the Russians were opposed to it.

 

[Wilson23]

They won't be getting out of Ukraine, They will keep the Donbas and Crimea.

Exactly. Trump is a FAILURE here if those remain in Russian hands.

 

[Rightguide]

Exactly. Trump is a FAILURE here if those remain in Russian hands.

BS. He never said he would fight the Russians or force them out of the Donbas. Barack Obama and Joe Biden failed when they broke the word of the United States of America to the Russians:

This from a simple search:
"U.S. Secretary of State James Baker famously used the phrase "not one inch eastward" during a meeting with Soviet leader
Mikhail Gorbachev in Moscow on February 9, 1990. This verbal assurance was part of discussions regarding German reunification following the fall of the Berlin Wall. Baker sought to persuade the Soviet Union to accept a unified Germany within NATO by suggesting that the alliance's military jurisdiction would not expand further east. According to declassified memoranda, Baker
told Gorbachev, "NATO's jurisdiction or troops will not spread east of the present boundary" and reiterated that expansion would move "not one inch eastward". Other Leaders: Similar verbal assurances were reportedly given by West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, and British Prime Minister John Major around the same time."

 

[Wilson23]

BS. He never said he would fight the Russians or force them out of the Donbas. Barack Obama and Joe Biden failed when they broke the word of the United States of America to the Russians:

This from a simple search:
"U.S. Secretary of State James Baker famously used the phrase "not one inch eastward" during a meeting with Soviet leader
Mikhail Gorbachev in Moscow on February 9, 1990. This verbal assurance was part of discussions regarding German reunification following the fall of the Berlin Wall. Baker sought to persuade the Soviet Union to accept a unified Germany within NATO by suggesting that the alliance's military jurisdiction would not expand further east. According to declassified memoranda, Baker
told Gorbachev, "NATO's jurisdiction or troops will not spread east of the present boundary" and reiterated that expansion would move "not one inch eastward". Other Leaders: Similar verbal assurances were reportedly given by West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl, Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, and British Prime Minister John Major around the same time."

I'm sure it's the furthest thing from your mind, but persons uncharitably inclined might be tempted to read pro-Russian sympathies into the above.

 

[Rightguide]

I'm sure it's the furthest thing from your mind, but persons uncharitably inclined might be tempted to read pro-Russian sympathies into the above.

Yes, because they are more interested in promoting lies about me than they are about facts and history. The left always attacks the messenger when the facts don't support their arguments.

 

[Wilson23]

Yes, because they are more interested in promoting lies about me than they are about facts and history. The left always attacks the messenger when the facts don't support their arguments.

Look, you DO want Russia to LOSE this war, don't you? It is far more important that Russia should lose it than that Ukraine should win it. We can tolerate no result that Putin can call a victory. Because the world cannot afford to tolerate anything at all that help's Putin achieve what is obviously his ambition: To make Russia a world power of the first rank once again.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Wilson speaks. Hot air and bull shit abounds.

 

[Wilson23]

Wilson speaks. Hot air and bull shit abounds.

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As always, you know I'm right.

 

[ll74]

Lol

 

[HumpDayHoratio]

That's a lot of words just to say you are fine with pedophiles running your country.

You rang?

 

[Philthy_Phil]

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You rang?

Hello?

 

[Wilson23]

Hello?

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It's not what it looks like! He's taking Bill's SHOE SIZE for Florsheims!

 

[briancamdudetenger2018]

whats next ukraine pulls a apocalypse now

 

[Wilson23]

whats next ukraine pulls a apocalypse now

Only Russia is in a position to start one.

 

[Holy_Seduction]

the weakening of Russia

Now THERE, I believe you DO identify correctly the strategic objective that drives the conflict.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Calling all trolls, calling all trolls!!!

Trumps handling of the Ukraine situation has been masterful, subtly masterful. It’s taken time for unwind the process but here it is as I see it.

Let’s first rewind the clock. Russia never truly left Ukraine. They have had paramilitary’s in the Donbas and Donetsk region since the fracturing of the Soviet Union. Stalin used ‘replacement’ strategy against the Ukraine starting in the early 1930’s. There’s nothing new to see in that region. In 2014 Russia drove into Crimea and none of the people going ape shit over the current situation had a word to say, nothing. 2017 comes along, Trump is president, and he starts ragging on the NATO nations about living up to their Defense commitments. “Yeah sure Donny, next year.” Trump told Germany that the pipeline deal was bad news. (Que laughter.) The Euro-pukes know better than the upstart Colonials, especially that crude Bronx moron Trump.

Trump spent his presidency being stabbed in the back by the Repub. Career politicians and impeached by the Dems.

2020 gave us the mental Zombie, Biden, and 2022 gave us the Russian invasion.

2024 and Trump is back. 4 years of using all the knowledge he gained the first time around and assembling a team with a common vision and mission. He’s going to bring peace to Ukraine. A goal still unachieved as I write this. And this is where it gets to be fun.

The Trump-Zelensky team. People often forget that Zelensy was a stage performer before he was a politician. Trump opens with demands that Ukraine surrender territory, territory that Russia already occupied de-facto……………….on the condition that Ukraine agreed. Does anyone believe that Ukraine was going to agree to that? The infamous Oval office meeting with Zelensky and the red carpet in Alaska for Putin. All of that was orchestrated moments for public consumption……………..but did we see reality?

All of those machinations freaked the Euro-pukes out, all of a sudden there were new members in NATO and the legacy crowd committed to not only meet their commitments, but even exceed those commitments. “Oh damn Brer fox, don’t throw me in that briar patch.”

Why were the Euro-pukes freaked out? They thought that their demands that the US “do something” weren’t being answered. Ukraine was NOT a US problem, it was a European problem. Whether Russia had Ukraine or not was of no critical interest to the US and they weren’t a NATO member so there was no treaty commitment. In other words Trump forced then to start cleaning up their own shit in their own backyard.

Taken in isolation you might say that each of those incidences were merely ‘coincidental.’ But an entire sequence of events with the genesis of thought going back 10 years is NOT coincidental, it begins to unfold as a plan.

Trump played the Euro-pukes and Russia like a fiddle and I do think Zelenky was in on the script. While playing the role of the antagonist, Trump was cranking up the sanctions on Russia up to and including now seizing Russia’s ‘shadow fleet’ on the high seas.

For those of you that believe that Trump should have rushed in with guns blazing to run Russia out of Ukraine, you’re delusional. Ukraine is, and never was, worth the risk of nuclear war. There are only two motives for you to believe so. One, you are being driven by the notion of “fairness”, damn near DEI in its foundational logic. The other reason is that you an agent, paid, unpaid, or just in sympathy of a foreign power that would love to see the US tied up on a European morass……………..like China for example

It’s all plying out so well.

Hey, shit for brains!

Kinda ironic that Bessant blames Ukraine for your stupid ass not having $2 gas

 

[Rebel5soul]

Hey, shit for brains!

Kinda ironic that Bessant blames Ukraine for your stupid ass not having $2 gas

Probably because Ukraine is blowing up Russia's refineries and Russian oil has not been a market force since 2023. Even the Biden crew was smart enough to shut that down.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Probably because Ukraine is blowing up Russia's refineries and Russian oil has not been a market force since 2023. Even the Biden crew was smart enough to shut that down.

Did you not hear trump tell you that he was going to end that war on DAY ONE?

Everything falls on your 2x failed administration. It's 2 years in and you dumbfucks control everything, yet, somehow everything is everyone else's fault.

 

[rgraham666]

Calling all trolls, calling all trolls!!!

Trumps handling of the Ukraine situation has been masterful, subtly masterful. It’s taken time for unwind the process but here it is as I see it.

Let’s first rewind the clock. Russia never truly left Ukraine. They have had paramilitary’s in the Donbas and Donetsk region since the fracturing of the Soviet Union. Stalin used ‘replacement’ strategy against the Ukraine starting in the early 1930’s. There’s nothing new to see in that region. In 2014 Russia drove into Crimea and none of the people going ape shit over the current situation had a word to say, nothing. 2017 comes along, Trump is president, and he starts ragging on the NATO nations about living up to their Defense commitments. “Yeah sure Donny, next year.” Trump told Germany that the pipeline deal was bad news. (Que laughter.) The Euro-pukes know better than the upstart Colonials, especially that crude Bronx moron Trump.

Trump spent his presidency being stabbed in the back by the Repub. Career politicians and impeached by the Dems.

2020 gave us the mental Zombie, Biden, and 2022 gave us the Russian invasion.

2024 and Trump is back. 4 years of using all the knowledge he gained the first time around and assembling a team with a common vision and mission. He’s going to bring peace to Ukraine. A goal still unachieved as I write this. And this is where it gets to be fun.

The Trump-Zelensky team. People often forget that Zelensy was a stage performer before he was a politician. Trump opens with demands that Ukraine surrender territory, territory that Russia already occupied de-facto……………….on the condition that Ukraine agreed. Does anyone believe that Ukraine was going to agree to that? The infamous Oval office meeting with Zelensky and the red carpet in Alaska for Putin. All of that was orchestrated moments for public consumption……………..but did we see reality?

All of those machinations freaked the Euro-pukes out, all of a sudden there were new members in NATO and the legacy crowd committed to not only meet their commitments, but even exceed those commitments. “Oh damn Brer fox, don’t throw me in that briar patch.”

Why were the Euro-pukes freaked out? They thought that their demands that the US “do something” weren’t being answered. Ukraine was NOT a US problem, it was a European problem. Whether Russia had Ukraine or not was of no critical interest to the US and they weren’t a NATO member so there was no treaty commitment. In other words Trump forced then to start cleaning up their own shit in their own backyard.

Taken in isolation you might say that each of those incidences were merely ‘coincidental.’ But an entire sequence of events with the genesis of thought going back 10 years is NOT coincidental, it begins to unfold as a plan.

Trump played the Euro-pukes and Russia like a fiddle and I do think Zelenky was in on the script. While playing the role of the antagonist, Trump was cranking up the sanctions on Russia up to and including now seizing Russia’s ‘shadow fleet’ on the high seas.

For those of you that believe that Trump should have rushed in with guns blazing to run Russia out of Ukraine, you’re delusional. Ukraine is, and never was, worth the risk of nuclear war. There are only two motives for you to believe so. One, you are being driven by the notion of “fairness”, damn near DEI in its foundational logic. The other reason is that you an agent, paid, unpaid, or just in sympathy of a foreign power that would love to see the US tied up on a European morass……………..like China for example

It’s all plying out so well.

You forgot the "Hail Victory!" at the end of your screed.


I also hear echoes of "Let's give him the Sudetenland. That will satisfy him."

And for you to tie 'DEI' into the whole thing is, well, insanity. I support Ukraine because Ukraine is a sovereign nation and sovereign nations are protected under international law.

But I forget, you don't care about the law. Just the power to do whatever you want to who you want when you want. Laws get in the way of that and you don't like it.

Finally, when did supporting an authoritarian regime like Russia become a central pillar of 'conservatism'?