The split in MAGA will widen now

[DraggonStone]

The men in America are going to hang with Trump.

"We must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately"

 

[AlexBailey]

The men in America are going to hang with Trump.

Your broken clock is right at the moment.

 

[YDB95]

The men in America are going to hang with Trump.

Not according to the polls. He's losing ground with them like he is with everyone else.

 

[dmallord]

The majority of biological males who voted in the last election, voted for Trump.

55%. Sad statistic, in my opinion. We could have been so much better in the eyes of the world had we chosen a better biological being of another gender at the time.

 

[SkyBubble]

No, they are not -- and neither were the original Nazis, despite being named a socialist workers' party.

You're simply wrong about that. Their policies are on the left, as I showed above.

They reject conservatism.

They reject free markets.

They have the same collectivist view of race as the Marxists, just flipped.

They reject individualism and individual liberty.

They reject the American founding (like the left.)

They're isolationist.

They praise anti-American dictators.

These are not right-wing views.

This is from Richard Spencer: “Our dream is a new society...It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence.”

As for the Nazis...

They implemented a government-run economy, the very hallmark of socialism. (Just a variation, half a baby step away from the Communists.) They nationalized indirectly rather than directly.

They hated individualism.

They rejected the ideas of individualism and individual liberty.

What they were not is internationalist; that's the main difference between "Russian socialism" and "German socialism," as Mises, an escapee from the German brand, called them.

These are not right-wing views. There is nothing right wing about them.

And whether or not you like it, these are facts. You have provided nothing to support your inaccurate point of view.

 

[Wilson23]

You're simply wrong about that. Their policies are on the left, as I showed above.

They reject conservatism.

They reject free markets.

The political spectrum does not run from an authoritarian left to a libertarian right or vice-versa, you idiot. It does not run from a socialist left to a laissez-faire right.

The political spectrum runs from an EGALITARIAN left to a HIERARCHICAL right.

The Nazis were nothing if not hierarchical.

 

[AlexBailey]

You're simply wrong about that. Their policies are on the left, as I showed above.

They reject conservatism.

They reject free markets.

They have the same collectivist view of race as the Marxists, just flipped.

They reject individualism and individual liberty.

They reject the American founding (like the left.)

They're isolationist.

They praise anti-American dictators.

These are not right-wing views.

This is from Richard Spencer: “Our dream is a new society...It would be a new society based on very different ideals than, say, the Declaration of Independence.”

As for the Nazis...

They implemented a government-run economy, the very hallmark of socialism. (Just a variation, half a baby step away from the Communists.) They nationalized indirectly rather than directly.

They hated individualism.

They rejected the ideas of individualism and individual liberty.

What they were not is internationalist; that's the main difference between "Russian socialism" and "German socialism," as Mises, an escapee from the German brand, called them.

These are not right-wing views. There is nothing right wing about them.

And whether or not you like it, these are facts. You have provided nothing to support your inaccurate point of view.

Yeah? And which American politicians did the Nazis reach out to before WW2?

(Hint: see various members of The America First Committee, some of whom used their positions and resources to distribute Nazi propaganda to the American people.)


And which American politicians defended Nazis after WW2?

(Hint: see Joseph McCarthy’s defense of the Nazis who murdered captured American soldiers at the Malmedy Massacre)

 

[SkyBubble]

The political spectrum does not run from an authoritarian left to a libertarian right or vice-versa, you idiot. It does not run from a socialist left to a laissez-faire right.

Of course it does. If you think otherwise, you're just redefining terms for your own convenience.

 

[SkyBubble]

The political spectrum runs from an EGALITARIAN left to a HIERARCHICAL right.

Showing once again that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Wilson23]

Of course it does. If you think otherwise, you're just redefining terms for your own convenience.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
Political spectrums or political echiquiers are heuristic representations of different political ideologies and how they relate to one another. It can function as a useful tool for understanding how different ideas, parties and people compare and differ but, like all heuristics, it is an over-simplification and one should be careful not to mistake the map for the territory.


Contents
1 The one-dimensional model
1.1 Problems with a one-dimensional model
2 The two-dimensional models
2.1 Problems with the two-dimensional models
3 See also
4 Notes
5 References
The one-dimensional model
At its most basic, the political spectrum consists of a continuum from left to right, with varying shades of opinion in between. Usually, there are five political positions described in the one dimensional model: far-left, left-wing, centre, right-wing, and far-right, with the occasional inclusion of "centre-left" and "centre-right" groups.

A common way of characterizing the left-right spectrum is that the left tends to support equality while the right tends to support hierarchy, be it politically, socially or economically. Another common association is that the left tends to progress beyond the current status quo, while the right tends to preserve it. Historically, the origins of these associations came from the French Revolution, where those in the National Assembly who upheld the revolutionary and egalitarian ideals sat on the left and those who supported the monarchy and the nobility sat on the right.[1]

One way to place the ideologies in the political spectrum are as follows:

Anarchism — Communism — Socialism — Social Liberalism — Centrism — Classical Liberalism — Conservatism — Monarchism — Fascism

Typically, leftist ideologies will be more critical of unregulated capitalism and its perceived issues regarding inequality and exploitation, seeking to heavily regulate it or abolish it altogether. Culturally, they tend to support various civil rights movements and measures to end social inequality and discrimination.[2] The right, meanwhile, tends to view capitalism and traditional cultural roles and notions more positively, believing them to be natural, inevitable, or even beneficial.[3]

 

[SkyBubble]

Like you, this article presumes to know what people on the right believe better than people on the right do. Then they try to justify that believe with a bunch of academic-sounding mumbo-jumbo. They're still wrong.

 

[Wilson23]

Like you, this article presumes to know what people on the right believe better than people on the right do. Then they try to justify that believe with a bunch of academic-sounding mumbo-jumbo. They're still wrong.

I've been using RatWiki a very long time. They are NEVER wrong. You are more likely to find error on Wikipedia.

 

[SkyBubble]

Yeah? And which American politicians did the Nazis reach out to before WW2?

(Hint: see various members of The America First Committee, some of whom used their positions and resources to distribute Nazi propaganda to the American people.)


And which American politicians defended Nazis after WW2?

(Hint: see Joseph McCarthy’s defense of the Nazis who murdered captured American soldiers at the Malmedy Massacre)

 

[SkyBubble]

BTW, the first thing every socialist regime does is kill and imprison the other socialists.

 

[AlexBailey]

Oh look! A video instead of an answer.

Pussy.

True or False?

Joseph McCarthy, famous for his anti-communist hearings, defended Nazis who murdered American Soldiers at Malmady?

 

[SkyBubble]

Oh look! A video instead of an answer.

Pussy.

True or False?

Joseph McCarthy, famous for his anti-communist hearings, defended Nazis who murdered American Soldiers at Malmady?

No, he did not defend Nazis.

And hte video is relevant. No wonder you won't watch it.

 

[AlexBailey]

No, he did not defend Nazis.

Wrong. Your credibility is proven to be shit once again.

Read for yourself:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/senator-mccarthys-nazi-problem-180975174/


Nazi supporters, just like conservatives now, spun alternative narratives to the facts that Nazis murdered 84 unarmed captured American soldiers.


“The primary advocates of this alternative narrative were the chief defense attorney, the convicted perpetrators and their ex-Nazi supporters, some U.S. peace activists and, most surprising, the junior senator from Wisconsin, Joseph R. McCarthy.”

And hte video is relevant. No wonder you won't watch it.

No, you pathetic shill. No one person speaks for all of Antifa. Do you get your news from ticToc?

Antifa is not an organized group with one voice. Anyone can step up and say they are Antifa - even those trying to undermine the cause with lies or their own perspectives. This video could easily be a conservative activist rather than someone who is “anti-fascist” using Hitler’s words.


Joseph McCarthy was a conservative US senator. His defense of Nazis is on the record. Antifa is a non-organization of pissed off activists.

 

[Wilson23]

No, he did not defend Nazis.

And hte video is relevant. No wonder you won't watch it.

There is NOTHING in that video that is relevant to the split between MAGA warhawks and MAGA isolationists, nor to anything else under discussion in this thread.

 

[Chernosoth]

This is a mostly capitalist nation. People who don't give any fucks can sell their fucks.

 

[SkyBubble]

There is NOTHING in that video that is relevant to the split between MAGA warhawks and MAGA isolationists, nor to anything else under discussion in this thread.

There is plenty in the video that is relevant to our discussion of left and right.

 

[SkyBubble]

And from what I can observe, not being one of them, MAGA doesn't seem split.

 

[SkyBubble]

I've been using RatWiki a very long time. They are NEVER wrong. You are more likely to find error on Wikipedia.

If you think they're NEVER wrong, then you're wrong.

 

[SkyBubble]

Wrong. Your credibility is proven to be shit once again.

Most of the Germans who worked for the regime were not Nazis. Rommel, for example, was anti-Hitler (and yet Germany's best general.) We tried Nazis (with dubious legal authority to do so) and brought Germans who were not Nazis here. A few low-level Nazis got through (by lying about it) and were expelled when we found out. You just call them all Nazis because it's convenient.

And by his voting record, Joe McCarthy wasn't all that conservative.

 

[Wilson23]

If you think they're NEVER wrong, then you're wrong.

I have challenged PB posters to find errors on RatWiki before. All have failed.

 

[Wilson23]

And by his voting record, Joe McCarthy wasn't all that conservative.

Not only that, but everybody who knew McCarthy agreed he didn't give a rat's ass about the Red Menace -- all that was only his way of grabbing the spotlight.