The white working class has legitimate grievances, but . . .

[UltraChad]

No Americans have been regulated into poverty.

Not real poverty, but 1st world poverty is where most Americans have been regulated.

 

[Politruk]

Not real poverty, but 1st world poverty is where most Americans have been regulated.

No American is poorer now than they would be in your vision of a deregulated economy.

 

[UltraChad]

No American is poorer now than they would be in your vision of a deregulated economy.

Then why did they do better in such?

And why does the regulation seem to coincide with wealth inequality??

 

[Politruk]

Then why did they do better in such?

And why does the regulation seem to coincide with wealth inequality??

There is less wealth inequality in the social democracies.

 

[UltraChad]

There is less wealth inequality in the social democracies.

But not in blue states/cities vs, red ones.

 

[Politruk]

But not in blue states/cities vs, red ones.

Red states are shitholes.

 

[UltraChad]

Red states are shitholes.

And yet blue states are hemorrhaging their most productive people to them in accelerating numbers.

What's that say about blue states??? same thing this last election had to say about blue politicians.

 

[YDB95]

Nope, they never regulated anyone into poverty.

The deregulation they supported has landed a whole lot of Americans in poverty, though.

Then why did they do better in such?

They didn't. They were just happier with a man in the White House who validated their bigotry.

 

[Politruk]

And yet blue states are hemorrhaging their most productive people to them in accelerating numbers.

They're colonizing the red states.

Future election results will show them to be significantly less red.

 

[UltraChad]

They're colonizing the red states.

Future election results will show them to be significantly less red.

That's what Democrats have been saying for years, that's not what's actually happening.

Bifurcation is what's actually happening. Red voters are leaving blue states for red ones, and blue voters are leaving red states for blue ones.

And even with that, the whole country except Washington pulled right this last election. Most notably CA and NY.

Democrats better wake up......

 

[YDB95]

That's what Democrats have been saying for years, that's not what's actually happening.

Yes it is.

• Virginia: Dependably red from the 1950s through the '90s, blue since 2008
• Colorado: One of about twenty states that never went Democratic from 1968-88, dependably blue since 2008
• Arizona: One of the reddest states in the country for most of the 20th century, now a swing state.
• Georgia: Flipped from blue to red like most of the South in the late 20th century, voted for Biden in 2020 and now has two Democratic senators.
• California: Another one of those states that always went Republican from 1968-88, not to mention the state that gave us Reagan...now one of the bluest states in the country.

I could go on, but you get the point, although I'm sure you're going to pretend otherwise.

 

[UltraChad]

Yes it is.

• Virginia: Dependably red from the 1950s through the '90s, blue since 2008
• Colorado: One of about twenty states that never went Democratic from 1968-88, dependably blue since 2008
• Arizona: One of the reddest states in the country for most of the 20th century, now a swing state.
• Georgia: Flipped from blue to red like most of the South in the late 20th century, voted for Biden in 2020 and now has two Democratic senators.
• California: Another one of those states that always went Republican from 1968-88, not to mention the state that gave us Reagan...now one of the bluest states in the country.

I could go on, but you get the point, although I'm sure you're going to pretend otherwise.

The 60's and 80's aren't really relevant to the interstate migratory patterns of the last several years.

Which show most blue states getting more blue and most red states getting more red.

That can only be, because overall more blue voters are moving to blue states and red voters are moving to red states. For the most part we aren't colonizing each others states, we're self segregating. And we should...people are starting to figure out states matter, and if you're living in the wrong damn state maybe it's time to move.

 

[YDB95]

The 60's and 80's aren't really relevant to the interstate migratory patterns of the last several years.

"The last several years" aren't really enough to draw any broad conclusions, especially when you factor in how dramatic a change from one election to the next can be. Besides, even within blue and red states, there are regions that have made big changes. See Cobb County, Georgia for just one example.

 

[UltraChad]

"The last several years" aren't really enough to draw any broad conclusions, especially when you factor in how dramatic a change from one election to the next can be.

Sure it is trends change, several years of self segregation is a definite trend.

Besides, even within blue and red states, there are regions that have made big changes. See Cobb County, Georgia for just one example.

Yea....team blue is having a bad time.

 

[YDB95]

Yea....team blue is having a bad time.

Not really. A lot of once-solid red suburban areas are trending blue. Not a good sign for team red in the long term.

 

[UltraChad]

Not really. A lot of once-solid red suburban areas are trending blue. Not a good sign for team red in the long term.

LOL just ignore 2024 it was a total fluke.....everyone is still super hard for more woke progressivism!!! Just need to shame white people and men some more.

 

[YDB95]

LOL just ignore 2024 it was a total fluke.....everyone is still super hard for more woke progressivism!!! Just need to shame white people and men some more.

One close election doesn't mean much with respect to trends.

 

[UltraChad]

One close election doesn't mean much with respect to trends.

It wasn't that close and the amount of ground democrats lost in the 49 of 50 states that shifted right should be a wake up call.

I'm hoping most are like you and ignore it though. MAGA needs progressives like you to keep being smug haters of all the major majority groups to keep their ranks filled.

 

[Politruk]

It wasn't that close and the amount of ground democrats lost in the 49 of 50 states that shifted right should be a wake up call.

The Dems have been losing by too much emphasis on identity politics and culture-war issues. They'll win when they shift focus to left-populist economics -- even if that hurts the upper middle class that produces most Dem pols.

 

[UltraChad]

The Dems have been losing by too much emphasis on identity politics and culture-war issues.

Yea..."fuck whitey!!" and "fuck men!!" aren't bringing in the votes like they had hoped.

They'll win when they shift focus to left-populist economics -- even if that hurts the upper middle class that produces most Dem pols.

Kinda late for that.

After choosing to shit on their populist movement in order to be the party of the establishment, the Cheney/Clinton/Pelosi party who shits on the 99% and laughs about it while sniffing their own farts.

And that was a BIG mistake......I'm not sure they can pull off that kind of backpedal before they get a bunch of fresh blood in there to replace the terrible public image they've created for themselves. But I bet Cheney is running the party before that ever happens.

 

[Politruk]

Kinda late for that.

No, it's a problem that can be fixed before the midterms.

 

[UltraChad]

No, it's a problem that can be fixed before the midterms.

LOL....nobody is fixing the Democrats image issues before the midterms.

The democrats only hope is that Trump and the GOP congress totally fail to deliver on anything "America FIRST".

That's why they are so desperate to sink his presidency. They KNOW if he actually does any of the populist stuff he's after, Trump becomes legendary American Cesar and the Democrats will be absolutely turbo fucked for the next couple election cycles, minimum.

If Trump and the GOP are smart and REALLY wanted to nail democrats to a wall they will deliver on a whole 1 or 2 of the major populist promises but most importantly throw a no/low cost bone out to the populist left, something the Dems have been promising for decades but never deliver on.... and they will effectively destroy the DNC as it is understood currently.

 

[Politruk]

The democrats only hope is that Trump and the GOP congress totally fail to deliver on anything "America FIRST".

No, that they will deliver and it all turns out to be shit -- which is inevitable. There's no way Trump can keep his campaign promises without causing a major recession.

 

[UltraChad]

No, that they will deliver

That will be the end of the DNC as it's understood currently.

 

[Politruk]

That will be the end of the DNC as it's understood currently.

Not when the people have to deal with the consequences. There's no way Trump can keep his campaign promises without causing a major recession.