To submissive for citizenship.

[WriterDom]

They moved their border into Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco, Mali, Senegal - uh, hello.

Yeah it's their own fault they have a Muslim underclass. Nearly one-tenth of its 60 million people. What's the point in keeping this lady out? She probably won't burn a car on the street.

 

[Netzach]

France would die to have Mexicans on their border. Good Catholics who don't go to heaven for killing women and children.

Let's superimpose this mentality onto Christianity.

Anyone who professes belief in Christ, from Catholics to Pentecostals (y'all are the same) whether you live in Ireland or Lebanon (I mean you really ARE all the same) I now hold responsible for clinic bombings. For the polygamy insanity down in TX. For the myriad altar boy rapes and the giant Catholic culture of child molestation, for the giant culture of Mormon-spinoff child molestation. for the Magdalene asylums, for the Crusades, and for jacking off at the Vatican while Hitler smoked everyone.

A religion not responsible (since religions are responsible) for killing anyone ever.

A fine religion, y'all got there. I seriously love living in a country of Christian Values.

How's that high horse coming?

 

[EmpressFi]

Let's superimpose this mentality onto Christianity.

Anyone who professes belief in Christ, from Catholics to Pentecostals (y'all are the same) whether you live in Ireland or Lebanon (I mean you really ARE all the same) I now hold responsible for clinic bombings. For the polygamy insanity down in TX. For the myriad altar boy rapes and the giant Catholic culture of child molestation, for the giant culture of Mormon-spinoff child molestation. for the Magdalene asylums, for the Crusades, and for jacking off at the Vatican while Hitler smoked everyone.

A religion not responsible (since religions are responsible) for killing anyone ever.

A fine religion, y'all got there. I seriously love living in a country of Christian Values.

How's that high horse coming?

Psst.. you forgot the Inquisition and the categorical removal of druids from Ireland along with the absorption of pagan holidays into "holy" days.

 

[Netzach]

Psst.. you forgot the Inquisition and the categorical removal of druids from Ireland along with the absorption of pagan holidays into "holy" days.

Dude, I dunno, they're nutty look what they did to each OTHER in Ireland.

 

[EmpressFi]

oh I know.. and they're STILL doing that...

and the idea of "She probably won't burn a car on the street."... that only fuels the problem. Not every Muslim is a terrorist, no more than every Catholic priest is into little boys.

 

[Netzach]

People are really suddenly unhappy when it's turned around on them.

"But but, I'm not like that"

Yeah, well, neither are the muslims I went to school with. Or most people in Jakarta. Or the larger majority of this major world religion. No pass for anyone, right?

"But, but, the muslims want to kill YOU now, Jew girl, you should hate them more than I do even"

Uh yeah, what else is new in the news? A hundred years ago it was a gonzo sorta Pagan raised Catholic from Austria and a few hundred more years ago it was those fantastic Spanish Catholics we love so much. We're used to this crap, this is actually a less effective iteration than anything engineered by your peeps.

"But, but -- that's not me..."

This is kind of fun.

 

[jockdom]

Dude, I dunno, they're nutty look what they did to each OTHER in Ireland.

Wrong thats what the English did in Ireland. They imported all the protestants.

 

[WriterDom]

Let's superimpose this mentality onto Christianity.

Anyone who professes belief in Christ, from Catholics to Pentecostals (y'all are the same) whether you live in Ireland or Lebanon (I mean you really ARE all the same) I now hold responsible for clinic bombings. For the polygamy insanity down in TX. For the myriad altar boy rapes and the giant Catholic culture of child molestation, for the giant culture of Mormon-spinoff child molestation. for the Magdalene asylums, for the Crusades, and for jacking off at the Vatican while Hitler smoked everyone.

A religion not responsible (since religions are responsible) for killing anyone ever.

A fine religion, y'all got there. I seriously love living in a country of Christian Values.

How's that high horse coming?

Everyone sins. But you can write this and hundreds won't die in the streets. If I published a picture of Mohammad it would be a different story. We have publicly funded Jesus in a jar of piss here and no one died. Yeah, a few homosexuals die here in hate crimes but the government doesn't stone them. We even let women drive here, what a concept!

 

[Netzach]

Wrong thats what the English did in Ireland. They imported all the protestants.

Prots, Catholics, Sunni , Shiite - whatever.

 

[FeatherNails]

You know how you say no to that practice?

You say no to the men imposing it in the streets.
You say yes to the moderate muslims who find it stupid.
You say NO to the conditions that allow religious extremism to have appeal as a globe (employment rate of 10-20 percent if you leave out opium farming and being a radicalized imam)

The French Gov't - by making this woman a symbol of all they think wrong rather than a human being are basically no more liberating to her than they think her mindset already has to be.

Has anyone ever asked her anything about it?

I don't think they are trying to be 'liberating' to her.
I think they are drawing a line in the sand (as it were) and she's just the one at that edge.

Further, how COULD you ask her? How could you get an honest response?
More than a few slaves wanted to stay slaves after the civil war, they didn't know anything else.
You could say that was 'choice', but only in a very shallow way.

 

[Primalex]

Muslim women are not only submissive to their husbands, they are expected to be submissive to all males (family members etc) Depending on where they are from most of them don't get a choice but to be submissive. They have no rights even if they wanted them..

So much bullshit in so few sentences.

It's like "Oh, well, catholics burn women on stakes and don't have sex before marriage."

 

[Netzach]

Everyone sins. But you can write this and hundreds won't die in the streets. If I published a picture of Mohammad it would be a different story. We have publicly funded Jesus in a jar of piss here and no one died. Yeah, a few homosexuals die here in hate crimes but the government doesn't stone them. We even let women drive here, what a concept!

A few homosexual children die out on the street or kill themselves because... well at least we don't stone people for immodesty.

Everyone's in on it, now anyway. Did you know that ultra-ortho Jews have started throwing acid on their daughters now and not just bleach for "immodesty?" Did you know some Jewish women are getting really into the burqua? Have you watched the incomprehensible to most westerners footage of an Israeli news reporter dressed in a v neck sweater and jeans getting hit in the back of the head by an angry young man for what seems like no reason? It's because he doesn't appreciate her normal western wear.


You get baptized into this, Let's hold you responsible for all that's happened and all that's going to happen ever.


Or not. Because that's stupid.

 

[EmpressFi]

I don't think they are trying to be 'liberating' to her.
I think they are drawing a line in the sand (as it were) and she's just the one at that edge.

Further, how COULD you ask her? How could you get an honest response?
More than a few slaves wanted to stay slaves after the civil war, they didn't know anything else.
You could say that was 'choice', but only in a very shallow way.

Who is anyone to say she's lying? Even if she is just saying it... she should still be taken at her word.

The point is that she was denied the same rights as her husband and children because she chooses to wear the tradition clothing of her culture and religion. Not because she's a danger to anyone, but because she's different and refuses to give that up and because of the stereotype associated with the way she lives her life.

 

[jockdom]

Prots, Catholics, Sunni , Shiite - whatever.

Have,have nots.

 

[Netzach]

I don't think they are trying to be 'liberating' to her.
I think they are drawing a line in the sand (as it were) and she's just the one at that edge.

Further, how COULD you ask her? How could you get an honest response?
More than a few slaves wanted to stay slaves after the civil war, they didn't know anything else.
You could say that was 'choice', but only in a very shallow way.

You ask more than one question and you fuck off if you don't like the answers.

A picture of a person's wants, desires, and decisions about what they think best for them, even if it's not totally ideal in their minds emerges - because it's not your job to determine what's best for other people and they are the experts of their own lives and choices. It may not be "what she wants" but if it's what *she thinks best* for her that's the point.

The other option brings you to "false consciousness" and Maoist criticism sessions.

Let's also not forget that this person wants to stay with her husband. Her husband - what the hell? Is this where immigration law should go now?

 

[FeatherNails]

Who is anyone to say she's lying? Even if she is just saying it... she should still be taken at her word.

The point is that she was denied the same rights as her husband and children because she chooses to wear the tradition clothing of her culture and religion. Not because she's a danger to anyone, but because she's different and refuses to give that up and because of the stereotype associated with the way she lives her life.

Again, she's symbolic.
Further, I'm not under the assumption that France is obligated to let ANYONE become a citizen. In fact, if there's a prerogative that a country might have, it must be that.
I wonder how easy it is for, say, a christian to become a citizen in some muslim countries.

 

[EmpressFi]

Again, she's symbolic.
Further, I'm not under the assumption that France is obligated to let ANYONE become a citizen. In fact, if there's a prerogative that a country might have, it must be that.
I wonder how easy it is for, say, a christian to become a citizen in some muslim countries.

I'm not saying they have to let everyone in, but they should at least be honest about the reason they're doing it. And the other places are wrong for doing it too. They should at least have the balls to say, we dont want you here because you're a Muslim and we're afraid you're a terrorist.

 

[Netzach]

Again, she's symbolic.

Why are women always symbolic?

 

[FeatherNails]

You ask more than one question and you fuck off if you don't like the answers.

A picture of a person's wants, desires, and decisions about what they think best for them, even if it's not totally ideal in their minds emerges - because it's not your job to determine what's best for other people and they are the experts of their own lives and choices. It may not be "what she wants" but if it's what *she thinks best* for her that's the point.

The other option brings you to "false consciousness" and Maoist criticism sessions.

Let's also not forget that this person wants to stay with her husband. Her husband - what the hell? Is this where immigration law should go now?

So you would suggest an interview process and possibly a psychological examination to determine her state of mind and the nature of the choices she is making/have had forced upon her?

 

[FeatherNails]

Why are women always symbolic?

the underdog, the downtrodden, the oppressed are powerful symbols.
To have that image intersect with that of the mother image is a perfect combination

 

[Netzach]

So you would suggest an interview process and possibly a psychological examination to determine her state of mind and the nature of the choices she is making/have had forced upon her?

Only if Mennonites, Lubavitcher Jews, Hare Krishnas and anyone else who marks themselves in some way through clothing gets it too.

 

[WriterDom]

Again, she's symbolic.

I wonder how easy it is for, say, a christian to become a citizen in some muslim countries.

Or China for that matter. With a bible in your back pocket.

 

[Netzach]

the underdog, the downtrodden, the oppressed are powerful symbols.
To have that image intersect with that of the mother image is a perfect combination

I think it's more because women are more readily reduced to not-a-person and then you can decide what should happen to them like little chess pawns.

 

[Netzach]

Have,have nots.

What are you some kind of Marxist?

 

[celticsunspiral]

This is very scary policy, actually.

Basically it says "you're too freaky you're out."

.

I agree completly with this statement. According to their policies I don't understand how can they deny one person the right to citizenship just because they don't agree with that persons personal beliefs. As mentioned earlier this seems to be a form of prejuidice on the part of counsel of state. I had believed that we as a global society were slowly moving away from predudice of race, religion or sexual preference, this article makes me wonder if our governments are as committed as the people I personally know are to erradicating this injustice.

According to http://eucitizenship.blogspot.com/2005/12/french-citizenship.html
"FRENCH CITIZENSHIP MARRIAGE:
If the couple has been living in France for a year, after a period of two year's marriage to a French citizen, it is possible to make a declaration of French citizenship by marriage. If the couple is living outside of France, a three year waiting period is required. In addition to the many documents required to prove both the applicants nationality and the spouse's french nationality, there is a requirement for competency in the French language. The declaration of citizenship is made by the couple to the local court, or the French consulate if overseas. The declaration is accepted or rejected by decision of the Ministry of Justice."