Trump would 'love to see a shutdown' if Democrats don't get behind his immigration pl

[BotanyBoy]

You know...BB...you show yourself to be more and more like the original BB everyday.

For not being a partisan (D)ick suck?


Sorry I'm not sorry.

Let me break it down for you shall I? There was a compromise bill in place. There were enough votes from both sides of the aisle to pass it. Yet, only one side of the aisle has decided to derail it. Which side was that?

Irrelevant deflection.

Let me break it down for you shall I?

In 2013 the roles of R and D were 180'ed exact opposite.

(R)'s were scorned as the obstructionist party of no for not giving (D)ear Leader Obama his budget unless they got to tag on special bullshit.

Just like (D)'s are doing today.

So if the shut down in 2013 was totally (R)'s fault then this one must be (D)'s fault as well. Un-America obstructionist trying to get their special bullshit and willing to hurt the country to get it, party over country. Just like the (R)'s in 2013.

RIGHT?

If you don't have any ideological consistency (you clearly don't) you're just a partisan tool.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh, look. BB the definitely NOT republitard defending the republicans again whilst dissing the Dems and totally not being a partisan hack.

Calling Dems out for their EPIC hypocrisy isn't defending Republicans.

Not the same thing.

Piss poor attempt at ascription man, and I've told you I'm a liberal ideologue, not a partisan Republican.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

If Trump thinks anyone gives a shit if the government "shuts down " he is not the Trump I thought he was.

 

[Que]

The tax cut bill is not revenue neutral by any stretch of the imagination.

Republicans lost any and all rights to stand on that soap box.

Pass the damn bill and keep the fucking government open.

Simple as.

I SPECIFICALLY addressed that. Even IF it was revenue neutral and ESPECIALLY if it INCREASES deficits why would that be an excuse to INCREASE spending?

Same trap Reagan fell into. Lower taxes increases economic activity. Don't then thwart economic activity by having gov't decrease the amount of capital available by borrowing.

Keep the gov't open at any cost? Why even debate what to spend money on? Let everyone pile on their pet projects and everybody wins.

 

[Que]

One key difference I see is that Pelosi isn't standing directly in the way of the government staying open. Whereas Paul is.

Of course not. She is satisfied with the yuuuge budget. Why wouldn't she be? Spending other people's money is what Democrats and RINOs do best.

 

[coati]

He keeps shouting into the interweb about others only existing in the virtual world. I picture him as pajama boy after the third week of the Charles Atlas mail-order course.

You and Wounded Knee must be spending too much time in your virtual world if it has come to the point that you don't even recognize satire.

Go get some fresh air, for God's sake.

 

[Saint_Ann]

If Trump thinks anyone gives a shit if the government "shuts down " he is not the Trump I thought he was.

Of course he cares. He's been counting on it.

 

[Que]

You and Wounded Knee must be spending too much time in your virtual world if it has come to the point that you don't even recognize satire.

Go get some fresh air, for God's sake.

You do realize that you are *in* this virtual world every single time you are carping about others being in a virtual world, yes?

I was not addressing your weak, satirical creed, but your constant harrangue about others being "weak" because they only exist in the virtual world. . .where you are delivering those harangues.

You did it once again in this post.

 

[adrina]

I SPECIFICALLY addressed that. Even IF it was revenue neutral and ESPECIALLY if it INCREASES deficits why would that be an excuse to INCREASE spending?

Same trap Reagan fell into. Lower taxes increases economic activity. Don't then thwart economic activity by having gov't decrease the amount of capital available by borrowing.

Keep the gov't open at any cost? Why even debate what to spend money on? Let everyone pile on their pet projects and everybody wins.

Of course not. She is satisfied with the yuuuge budget. Why wouldn't she be? Spending other people's money is what Democrats and RINOs do best.

Government shut downs cost money. They don't save money. They never get anything cut. And what the republicans favor cutting ends up costing the taxpayers in the long run. It's ridiculous to think that somehow Rand Paul - or any republican is going to change this by being a hold out.

Rand Paul is being a jackass and the republicans don't have a single interest in cutting spending. This is just grandstanding that costs us more.

So keep the fucking government open and do the damn deal.

Welcome to deficits don't matter Cheney world. If you think it's magically going to change, find a lamp and rub it.

So just do the fucking deal and get on with it. This is needless drama.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Democrats are tragically spineless. They have absolutely nothing to lose, ever, by refusing to compromise ever again. They never were vulnerable on government shutdowns. They're like elephants tied to ropes since infancy and they don't realize that they're full grown animals now and they can just run and snap the rope. Learned helplessness writ large. WTF.

 

[Que]

Government shut downs cost money. They don't save money. They never get anything cut. And what the republicans favor cutting ends up costing the taxpayers in the long run. It's ridiculous to think that somehow Rand Paul - or any republican is going to change this by being a hold out.

Rand Paul is being a jackass and the republicans don't have a single interest in cutting spending. This is just grandstanding that costs us more.

So keep the fucking government open and do the damn deal.

Welcome to deficits don't matter Cheney world. If you think it's magically going to change, find a lamp and rub it.

So just do the fucking deal and get on with it. This is needless drama.

They don't save money because we decide that they won't save money because we decide not to punish the bureaucrats and we give them back pay If we shut down the government and don't give the bureaucrats back pay it will in fact save money. I strongly favor that option. the bureaucrats are welcome to help with the budgeting process and go through their own individual departments and bureaucracy and cut out fraud and ways to make suggestions on how we can have a reasonable budget. In the alternative they can simply sit back on unpaid leave and wait for politicians to figure it out.

If I were Trump I would tell the Republicans look you whined about Obama spending for 4 years I will not sign any budget that contains one penny more than Obama spent. You figure it out and get back to me when you've done some serious work.

Which is a more or less Rand Paul's position. I would encourage him to simply say no I can't vote for any budget that is higher than the amount you whined about when Obama spent it.

If the Republicans are simply going to spend like Democrats then we basically just have one-party rule.

 

[Luk]

If you were 45, you'd be more likable.

 

[Que]

If you were Trump, you wouldn't be cribbing off Maxine Water's shtick. You'd also have a stronger chin, a much higher IQ and a Wharton MBA.

 

[Que]

~chants~

Impeach LukMuhDik, Impeach LukMuhDik, Impeach LukMuhDik. . .

 

[doowdniw]

They don't save money because we decide that they won't save money because we decide not to punish the bureaucrats and we give them back pay If we shut down the government and don't give the bureaucrats back pay it will in fact save money. I strongly favor that option. the bureaucrats are welcome to help with the budgeting process and go through their own individual departments and bureaucracy and cut out fraud and ways to make suggestions on how we can have a reasonable budget. In the alternative they can simply sit back on unpaid leave and wait for politicians to figure it out.

How long would you continue to work for an employer who spasmodically layed you off without pay every few weeks because it was too inept to keep its doors open for business?

 

[Que]

How long would you continue to work for an employer who spasmodically layed you off without pay every few weeks because it was too inept to keep its doors open for business?

If I was being paid in wages and benefits twice what a comparabke civillian job would pay (like they currently are?) Probably quite a while. As long as shutdowns never lasted more than 6 months of each and every year I'd be money ahead.

 

[adrina]

Ironic.

Trump wants to add $25 billion for a stupid wall.

He's no more interested in pulling down the deficit or handling the debt than republicans.

 

[Que]

Ironic.

Trump wants to add $25 billion for a stupid wall.

He's no more interested in pulling down the deficit or handling the debt than republicans.

You are definately right about that.

He even campaigned on infrastructure as an economic boost which is just code for let's spend some of other people's money and jusyify it with the nonsense that is Keynesnian economics.

As I've said Trump is far too liberal for my preferences.

 

[RobDownSouth]

whispers in the wind......

"See, AJ? See? I called Keynesian economics 'nonsense'! Aren't you proud of me? AJ?"

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course not. She is satisfied with the yuuuge budget. Why wouldn't she be? Spending other people's money is what Democrats and RINOs do best.

At the point pretty much every Republican POTUS and the overwhelming majority of Republicans are RINO's who like to smoke uncle Sam's credit card just as hard as the (D)'s it's not really a RINO thing as much as standard Republican practice.

There are like 4 conservatives, 2 libertarians and one liberal in the GOP....everyone else might as well be a Democrat.

Government shut downs cost money.

Sounds like the obstructionist Pelosi and her party of NO should fight for their special interest at another time on some other bill in the name of letting the budget pass so we can keep the government open.

 

[Hypoxia]

Q: Why are stock markets down?
A: Because bond markets are up.
Q: Why are bonds up?
A: Because US T-bill rates are up to lure buyers to offset the coming deficit.
Q: What coming deficit?
A: The deficit that explodes with this budget 'compromise'.

There's an old joke. One party wants to spend $120 billion on something. The other only wants to spend $100 billion. They compromise at $150 billion. Everyone claims victory. That's funny, right? Ha. Ha.

 

[Que]

At the point pretty much every Republican POTUS and the overwhelming majority of Republicans are RINO's who like to smoke uncle Sam's credit card just as hard as the (D)'s it's not really a RINO thing as much as standard Republican practice.

There are like 4 conservatives, 2 libertarians and one liberal in the GOP....everyone else is a lefty.



Sounds like the obstructionist Pelosi and her party of NO should fight for their special interest at another time on some other bill in the name of letting the budget pass so we can keep the government open.

I have no idea how much you can fuck around with the numbers during reconciliation, but I would love it if the would pull a Harry Reid. Pass House and Senate bills with whatever the Dems want, then remove every word and replace it with a real budget and "reconcile" it with 51 votes. I'm 96.392% certain you cannot. I have no problem with simply amending Senate rules to deny fillibuster on budget bills. They won't and probably shouldn't, but I would.

The ACA shuffle! Soitenly!! <insert Stooges GIF>

 

[Que]

Q: Why are stock markets down?
A: Because bond markets are up.
Q: Why are bonds up?
A: Because US T-bill rates are up to lure buyers to offset the coming deficit.
Q: What coming deficit?
A: The deficit that explodes with this budget 'compromise'.

There's an old joke. One party wants to spend $120 billion on something. The other only wants to spend $100 billion. They compromise at $150 billion. Everyone claims victory. That's funny, right? Ha. Ha.

I don't ever get the chance to say this about one of your posts, but Spot. Fucking. ON.

Succinct, 100% true and points out the problem exactly.

 

[cowslinger64]

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Sounds like the obstructionist Pelosi and her party of NO should fight for their special interest at another time on some other bill in the name of letting the budget pass so we can keep the government open.[/QUOTE]


news/latest-house-oks-budget-deal-103607057.html

Passage of the measure came over the opposition of Democratic leaders who demanded the promise of a vote to protect "Dreamer" immigrants brought to the country illegally as children.

A band of tea party Republicans swung against the legislation as well, repelled by its spiraling spending levels.

The government shut down at midnight Thursday after Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul blocked plans for a quick Senate vote, blaming his fellow Republicans for being "complicit" in the looming return of trillion-dollar budget deficits.

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[coati]

You do realize that you are *in* this virtual world every single time you are carping about others being in a virtual world, yes?

I was not addressing your weak, satirical creed, but your constant harrangue about others being "weak" because they only exist in the virtual world. . .where you are delivering those harangues.

You did it once again in this post.

Hmmm, sounds like someone is a little sensitive about me pointing out that Repugnicans and other trolls tend to live more in a virtual world than in the real world. I think I will continue to pursue this line of truth. I really don't give a shit how much you may try to "shame" me into not communicating this message using the same medium that I am criticizing as a source of addiction for so many. Look at the posts-per-day factor to help determine the level of addiction.

Given how many people are now divorced from reality, it is no accident that we now have a president who uses an official prayer breakfast to solicit "spiritual" support for his former "reality" TV show.

If you currently depend upon the GB for your main source of relationships and interactions with others, get outside and meet people face to face. If you are obsessed with money and the stock market, load up a backpack with essentials and get out into a wilderness area. Learn about the actual position of human animals in the Earth's ecosystems. Discover the real world!