Trump's NATO Conditions: Pay or Depart?

[UltraChad]

There are no “bills” to pay from NATO.

The USA's military spending in Europe says otherwise.

 

[ll74]

?? Sure.



Sure. Way to just totally ignore what I just said and talk out of your ass with the same NPC response you've been melting down over the whole time.

That's all you've been doing.

There is no overlap or moderate position on free speech. Among many others.

You either support one or the other, you can't have it both ways at the same time.

Only a confused fucktard who doesn't understand either concept thinks you can.

True. And there are people on the right and left who hold different views about it.

Yes... Free speech falls on the spectrum. And a left leaning person can support it even though it leans heavily right. That likely will push them further towards the middle, but not guaranteed based on their other views

I understand you want to believe that moderates aren't confused.

Objectively, there is no belief needed except from your side.

But the reality is some political views are antithetical to one another, you can't combine them, you can't overlap them, it's either or. Again, like free speech and pregnancy, there is no kinda sorta half assed middle ground.....you either are or you aren't.

That is simply not true. No one aligns perfectly left or perfectly right. That's precisely why a scale exists and why people exist along the entire spectrum

Private property, you either own it or you don't.... there is no inbetweener middle ground.

You seem to confuse policies with people. People aren't confused - they have agreements and disagreements with specific issues that align them on the spectrum.

Death penalty.... you either support the states right to kill a mother fucker or you don't....there is no "It's kinda sorta a MODERATE death penalty" position. No...dead or not dead, it's a binary choice.

Policies have places on the spectrum. People do not

 

[UltraChad]

That's all you've been doing.

You not understanding me is not the same.

True.

I'm glad you understand that I'm correct.

Yes... Free speech falls on the spectrum.

Then you fuck it up. No, it's not on the spectrum.

Like the death penalty there is no in-between, you either support it or you don't. There is no half assed in between "moderate" position.

Objectively, there is no belief needed except from your side.

Projection.

That is simply not true.

Yes it is.

No one aligns perfectly left or perfectly right.

I never said they did, why don't you stop with the ASCRIPTION and actually argue against what I said.

Many ideological positions and policies are ABSOLUTELY BINARY. Demonstrably so.

You seem to confuse policies with people.

No, I'm just not confused about the fact that political ideologies inform peoples policy stances. Many of which are very binary and in no way compatible or offer a moderate position between the two options.

Demonstrated again by things like the death penalty and free speech. It's either or, there are no moderate positions to be had.

 

[ll74]

You not understanding me is not the same.

I've been clear in my answers. I'm not responsible for your stupidity.

I'm glad you understand that I'm correct.

You're not. People are moderate in their views. They aren't confused.

Then you fuck it up. No, it's not on the spectrum.

It is.

Like the death penalty there is no in-between, you either support it or you don't. There is no half assed in between position.

Yes, and it has a place on the spectrum.

Projection.


Yes it is.

I never said they did, why don't you stop with the ASCRIPTION and actually argue against what I said.

You apparently don't understand what aligns someone on the spectrum of left and right. That isn't my issue. Every policy that I support moves me either right or left. If the policies I support exist to the right, it aligns me further right.

No, I'm just not confused about the fact that policies define peoples political ideology.

You not accepting that there is no pure ideological position that people hold is not my issue. Most people fall closer to the middle.

 

[UltraChad]

Let's dispense with the bull and get right down to it shall we??

It is.

Then you should have no problem definitively ending this interaction with my metaphorical head on a pike right now.

All you have to do is either explain how someone can be BOTH pro-free speech and pro-censorship, in the same political/legal space at the same time. Lay out the inbetweener grey zone between censorship and no censorship.

This should be totally easy no-brainer for you if you are correct.

 

[MajorRewrite]

The USA's military spending in Europe says otherwise.

There are no “bills” from NATO to pay.

Chad is a simpleton who can’t understand the world around him.

 

[UltraChad]

There are no “bills” from NATO to pay.

Chad is a simpleton who can’t understand the world around him.

I though you were smart enough to understand the term being used metaphorically for the astro-fuckin'-nomical amount of money the US taxpayer is forced at 'gunpoint' (another metaphorical term) on European border security.

My mistake.

 

[ll74]

Let's dispense with the bull and get right down to it shall we??



Then you should have no problem definitively ending this interaction with my metaphorical head on a pike right now.

All you have to do is either explain how someone can be BOTH pro-free speech and pro-censorship, in the same political/legal space at the same time. Lay out the inbetweener grey zone between censorship and no censorship.

I never said anyone was.
I said someone can be moderate on the whole. You are the one who keeps focusing on specific and telling me people are confused. People are on the spectrum of specific issues. Overall each issue moves someone left or right. The combination of all of them places someone on the spectrum.

This should be totally easy no-brainer for you if you are correct.

You fight stupid battles.

 

[UltraChad]

I said someone can be moderate on the whole.

No you explicitly said free speech was on a spectrum of grey and not a binary thing.

You said there are no binaries in black and white, that EVERYTHING is on a spectrum, overlaps and has a moderate ideological position.

So let's see some of that specturm.

Where is the moderate grey in between position on the death penalty?? Where exactly is the half way moderate point between dead and alive?? Or are you just another confused moderate pretending so they don't have to decide one way or the other because their T count is too fuckin' low to make a call??

You fight stupid battles.

Your surrender is acceptable.

 

[ll74]

No you explicitly said free speech was on a spectrum of grey and not a binary thing.

Quote me

You said there are no binaries in black and white, that EVERYTHING is on a spectrum, overlaps and has a moderate ideological position.

I didn't

So let's see some of that specturm.

Lol

Where is the moderate grey in between position on the death penalty?? Where exactly is the half way moderate point between dead and alive?? Or are you just another confused moderate pretending so they don't have to decide one way or the other because their T count is too fuckin' low to make a call??

I have moderate views based on my policy positions.

Your surrender is acceptable.

You're an idiot


The bottom line of this post is that you don't read and you jump to conclusions without understanding what you're responding to.

And then you spend multiple hours trying to cover up this.

 

[UltraChad]

Quote me

Everything is.
Two extremes and those in between.

Politically, especially.

Some spectrums cross.

You not understanding that isn't a language barrier. It's literally you not understanding how politics works.

There is no overlap or moderate position on free speech. Among many others.

You either support one or the other, you can't have it both ways at the same time.

Only a confused fucktard who doesn't understand either concept thinks you can.


I understand you want to believe that moderates aren't confused while also calming everything is a spectrum and everything is totally overlapped and compatible.

But the reality is some political views are antithetical to one another, you can't combine them, you can't overlap them, it's probably a binary choice but sometimes it's multiple choice, either way you still have to pick one in the end. Being able to have your cake and eat it too is rare and the excemption, not the norm.

Yes... Free speech falls on the spectrum.


Policies have places on the spectrum. People do not

 

[UltraChad]

So are you still saying everything is on a spectrum, including free speech, but NOT people??

Then I would like to see the pro free speech and pro censorship policy that's both at the same time....let's see that GREY OVERLAP SPECTRUM you claim free speech is on.

Or are you ready to admit that PEOPLE might be on a spectrum but many ideologies and policy positions are NOT and are actually very much opposed like I have been saying this whole time??

Time to shit or get off the pot bud....which kinda wrong are you??

 

[ll74]

So are you still saying everything is on a spectrum, including free speech, but NOT people??.

Yes.

Then I would like to see the pro free speech and pro censorship policy that's both at the same time....let's see that GREY OVERLAP SPECTRUM you claim free speech is on.

I've never said that.

Or are you ready to admit that PEOPLE might be on a spectrum but many ideologies and policy positions are NOT and are actually very much opposed like I have been saying this whole time??

Policy positions are on the spectrum. People subscribe to their opinion of that spectrum and end up on their positional spectrum based on that.

You entered the discussion without understanding what I said and then spent hours discussing why you blame me.

Time to shit or get off the pot bud....which kinda wrong are you??

Here's a mirror.


And you suck at quoting. You did not quote me saying what you said I did.

 

[UltraChad]

Yes.

I've never said that.

Which one is it, is free speech on a spectrum or is it not??

You can't have it both ways, there is no moderate position bud, it's another black and white binary.

Policy positions are on the spectrum.

Ok then what's the moderate spectrum between free speech and censorship??

And you suck at quoting. You did not quote me saying what you said I did.

I've quoted you saying exactly what I said you did. The quote above this one is you doing so again.

You very clearly keep saying free speech is not black and white, not a binary position but on the spectrum. Youve said that EVERYTHING is a spectrum of grey.

I'll ask you again to clarify for the umpteenth fucking time to clarify your position.

Is free speech vs. censorship a spectrum of grey, or a binary ideological position??

 

[ll74]

Which one is it, is free speech on a spectrum or is it not??

It is.

You can't have it both ways, there is no moderate position bud, it's another black and white binary.

You've continued to not understand my statement

Ok then what's the moderate spectrum between free speech and censorship??

See above

I've quoted you saying it AGAIN.

What you quoted me saying isn't what you said I was saying

I'll ask you again to clarify for a third fucking time.....

Is free speech vs. censorship a spectrum of grey, or a binary position??

It's a single point on the spectrum.

People are moderate. Policy positions are not.

 

[UltraChad]

It is.

Ok so then explain to me the moderate free speech position that is between free speech and censorship.

What does that actually look like?? NOBODY IN THE HISTORY OF FUCKIN EVER.....has seen such a thing. I'm curious.

Everything is.

People are moderate. Policy positions are not.

Policies have places on the spectrum. People do not

Are polices on the spectrum or are people on the spectrum? Or is everything a spectrum of grey?? Which is it.

Moderates....totally not confused.

 

[ll74]

Ok so then explain to me the moderate free speech position that is between free speech and censorship.

You continue to do stupid shit and expect me to explain it to you

My position has always been about people.

You have focused on other stupid shit

 

[UltraChad]

You continue to do stupid shit and expect me to explain it to you

Directly asking you to explain your bullshit self contradicting position isn't me doing stupid shit.

My position has always been about people.

I asked you about both you've said both are on a spectrum AND ALSO that both are not AND ALSO that everything is a spectrum grey.

You have focused on other stupid shit

"Stupid shit" = your self contradiction and total inability to clarify your position. How very moderate of you. Totally not confused.

 

[ll74]

Directly asking you to explain your bullshit self contradicting position isn't me doing stupid shit.

I gave you the answers.

I asked you about both you've said both are on a spectrum AND ALSO that both are not AND ALSO that everything is a spectrum grey.

Lol. Nope.

"Stupid shit" = your self contradiction and total inability to clarify your position. How very moderate of you. Totally not confused.

You don't read.
It isn't my issue.

You add.words that aren't there.
That is your issue.

 

[UltraChad]

I gave you the answers.


Lol. Nope.


You don't read.
It isn't my issue.

You add.words that aren't there.
That is your issue.

OH look more obfuscation and fuckery.

SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!

Moderates....incapable of speaking plainly, just like communist (D)ipshits.

 

[ll74]

OH look more obfuscation and fuckery.

Nope. You're just stupid.

SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!

Moderates....incapable of speaking plainly, just like communist (D)ipshits.

Understanding words isn't my issue...it's yours.

You continue to ascribe what you believe to everyone here.

It's basically all you do.

 

[UltraChad]

Nope.

YUUUUUUUUUUP!

You're just stupid.

I'm not the one who COMPLETELY FUCKING FAILED to explain their self contradicting bullshit.

 

[ll74]

YUUUUUUUUUUP!

Nope

I'm not the one who COMPLETELY FUCKING FAILED to explain their self contradicting bullshit.

Sounds fun.

 

[UltraChad]

Nope

Sounds fun.

Yup...and if that's what you've got to tell yourself that's cool.

 

[ll74]

Yup...and if that's what you've got to tell yourself that's cool.

Sounds like you've exhausted your stupid.

Fun.