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IrezumiKiss said:
Long time ago I came across a mic-drop Tweet by a woman that said, "people die every day simply because a man didn't get his way."

How many people died, how many lives got ruined and how much environment got trashed just for that motherfucker to say now that he's had enough?

If the Russians have any balls, they'd hang that bastard, town square style.
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Why expect Russian people to do the right thing when Republicans refuse to do the right thing with their leader? Hell...even Democrats refuse to do the right thing by demanding more from their leaders.
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
That could be, he toes the RWCJ policies pretty regular, and is the leader of the Hunter Biden cheerleading squad.

Again I never said Biden did everything wrong, he just was wrong on the aircraft.He may well have been worried about the technological transfer issue due to loses.I don't know the inside thinking in the decision. But it was a major mistake to let Ukraine launch the counter offensive without air support. Maybe they felt Russia would collapse and run away again?
Lets not forget, Ukraine was asking for aircraft, long before they asked for tanks. Zelinskky knew from the onset where he was weak militarily speaking.

I prefer to keep Ukraine and Israel as separate issues. While you're correct Russia has it's fingers in the middle east too, the situations are completely different and require different approaches on needs, gets what, and the whys.
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Fair enough.

I can only continue to point to the results of President Biden’s decisions in regard to arming Ukraine. Of course President Zelenskyy wanted “everything, everywhere, all at once”, but he is no military expert, nor does he have to consider the wider implications of any U.S. action like President Biden did / does.

Also:

There were / are a number of reasons why aircraft were / are not "the solution" in Ukraine: Training, high risk reward missions due to Russian air defenses, and limited numbers of aircraft. - Ukraine is going to have to develop some strategies for the limited number of advanced aircraft they’re receiving, similar to how they developed strategies for using the advanced tanks the west has supplied. - A very scaled down and situational implementation of the U.S. combined arms strategy may well yield positive results.

*nods*

Side note:

It is impossible to separate the conflicts in Ukraine, Israel, and, potentially, Taiwan.

And one could easily include the unrest in South and Central America, and the influx of migrants at the U.S. southern border as being connected to global geopolitical machinations.

Related:

The unrest in Africa (the Wagner Group) and the influx of migrants in Europe.

*nods*
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
They are not contradictory posts.
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Really? Where in this post below is a word support of given by you to Ukraine?

BabyBoomer50s said:
Ukraine’s counter offensive was a bust. Winter is setting in. Russia controls about 17% of the country. Ukraine is now competing with Israel for international military aid. The US waffled over what type and range of offensive weapons to deliver in the early stages of the invasion, and Congress is divided on policy and aid. Putin’s political position inside Russia was boosted by the Wagner’s failed insurrection. He’s willing to wear down Ukrainian forces indefinitely. He isn’t giving up an inch of soil without major concessions that include further annexations and effectively make Ukraine a puppet state.
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With your history of posting and the side you stand on, you had best write in a clear and precise manor when addressing subjects, you will get no benefit of the doubt from most of us here, which is why I called out and destroyed your points you raised in the above post.
 
Lazaran said:
Fair enough.

I can only continue to point to the results of President Biden’s decisions in regard to arming Ukraine. Of course President Zelenskyy wanted “everything, everywhere, all at once”, but he is no military expert, nor does he have to consider the wider implications of any U.S. action like President Biden did / does.
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There is no doubt, Biden has done a whole lot better than Trump would have!!
As to Zelenskyy, He may not be a general but I think he played one once...lol
 
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Fuzzy1975 said:
There is no doubt, Biden has done a whole lot better than Trump would have!!
As to Zelenskyy, He may not be a general but I think he played on once...lol
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Don’t get me wrong; I admire the hell out of President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainians.

He needs to keep doing exactly what he has been doing.

👍

Slava Ukraini

🇺🇦

🇺🇸
 
Russia should be forced to pay reparations. Putin and a few other Russian leaders should be executed for war crimes.

Ukraine lacks the power to enforce that. The United States lacks the will. If Trump is elected president in 2024 he will almost certainly end all American support for Ukraine. That would enable Russia to win.

Considering these unpleasant realities Ukraine and NATO should see what Putin has in mind.
 
Fuzzy1975 said:
Really? Where in this post below is a word support of given by you to Ukraine?


With your history of posting and the side you stand on, you had best write in a clear and precise manor when addressing subjects, you will get no benefit of the doubt from most of us here, which is why I called out and destroyed your points you raised in the above post.
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The situation is what it is. One can support strong military aid to Ukraine and be critical of insufficient US military aid in the early stages by the administration.
 
could this be part of/the reason why?

china putting pressure on russia, wants its resources at rock bottom prices, minimum risk

While China and Russia describe each other as strategic partners and are often allied in countering the United States and Western interests around the globe, their bilateral relationship is more complex.China's economy is almost 10 times the size of Russia's, and that gives it significant leverage even as it seeks Russia's natural resources to power its growth.
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If completed, the PS2 pipeline is expected to reroute 50 billion cubic meters (1.8 trillion cubic feet) of natural gas annually from Europe to northern China. Its projected export capacity is comparable to the Nord Stream pipelines' 55 billion cubic meters capacity to Germany, which were sabotaged in 2022 with the attackers still unidentified.
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A source told the paper that Beijing insists on a risk-free, cost-free approach to construction, expecting Russia to bear the entire expense.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is under enormous pressure to proceed with the pipeline construction, it said, because failure to do so would lead to substantial gas wastage and financial losses for Russia.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=745ca7f22d8f4fb187402596916893af&ei=158
 
IrezumiKiss said:
Long time ago I came across a mic-drop Tweet by a woman that said, "people die every day simply because a man didn't get his way."

How many people died, how many lives got ruined and how much environment got trashed just for that motherfucker to say now that he's had enough?

If the Russians have any balls, they'd hang that bastard, town square style.
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The question is how much money did our president and his cronies make while all this tragedy was going on?
 
Solutions are not always the best solutions especially when they are premature. To my mind when considered within the context of the entire US defence budget the expenditure in Ukraine has proved a sound investment for the US. It is running at slightly less than 5% of the annual US defence budget. It has determined in a real testing ground that some equipment is good some not so good; who would have dreamt for example, how effective Drones would be against heavy armour. A drawn out conflict + sanctions is slowly driving Russia into penury, that is probably to everyone's advantage US, Europe, and China.

Recently there has been a development which has deeply angered Emperor Xi. Russian airlines lease or own a bunch of Boeing airplanes, mainly 737's and 757's. They cannot buy spares because of sanctions and with limited air traffic during Covid, the crookery of the Russians went un-noticed until recently. The Russians have extensively cannibalised a significant number of planes for spares to keep the rest of their fleet going. Understandable but the lease financiers have now discovered the situation that more than $1.4 Billion in commitments are not being met, and the Russian airlines lack the cash flow to support the debt. Who primarily financed these leases and purchases - The State owned Industrial Bank of China! Thus the very cheap US policy in Ukraine is starting to hurt the Chinese too.

Thus it seems to me that the Ukraine investment should continue and if it goes on a long time who does that hurt most? Bluntly 10,000 dead Russians a month and slow economic collapse with a side of pain for the Chinese at no cost in lives to The USA looks like pretty effective policy.
 
ishtat said:
Solutions are not always the best solutions especially when they are premature. To my mind when considered within the context of the entire US defence budget the expenditure in Ukraine has proved a sound investment for the US. It is running at slightly less than 5% of the annual US defence budget. It has determined in a real testing ground that some equipment is good some not so good; who would have dreamt for example, how effective Drones would be against heavy armour. A drawn out conflict + sanctions is slowly driving Russia into penury, that is probably to everyone's advantage US, Europe, and China.

Recently there has been a development which has deeply angered Emperor Xi. Russian airlines lease or own a bunch of Boeing airplanes, mainly 737's and 757's. They cannot buy spares because of sanctions and with limited air traffic during Covid, the crookery of the Russians went un-noticed until recently. The Russians have extensively cannibalised a significant number of planes for spares to keep the rest of their fleet going. Understandable but the lease financiers have now discovered the situation that more than $1.4 Billion in commitments are not being met, and the Russian airlines lack the cash flow to support the debt. Who primarily financed these leases and purchases - The State owned Industrial Bank of China! Thus the very cheap US policy in Ukraine is starting to hurt the Chinese too.

Thus it seems to me that the Ukraine investment should continue and if it goes on a long time who does that hurt most? Bluntly 10,000 dead Russians a month and slow economic collapse with a side of pain for the Chinese at no cost in lives to The USA looks like pretty effective policy.
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And if a Republican plan, the mouth breathers here would be behind it. But since the other side has a claim to victory…
 
BabyBoomer50s said:
Ukraine’s counter offensive was a bust. Winter is setting in. Russia controls about 17% of the country. Ukraine is now competing with Israel for international military aid. The US waffled over what type and range of offensive weapons to deliver in the early stages of the invasion, and Congress is divided on policy and aid. Putin’s political position inside Russia was boosted by the Wagner’s failed insurrection. He’s willing to wear down Ukrainian forces indefinitely. He isn’t giving up an inch of soil without major concessions that include further annexations and effectively make Ukraine a puppet state.
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Can't make deals with putin he wont keep to them. I've been following this on quora. The only way to get peace is to defeat putins war in Ukraine.
 
annnnnnnnd another one
Ukraine got revenge a decade after Putin’s forces stole the Konstantin Olshansky, along with most of the Ukrainian navy, when Russia invaded Crimea in 2014.

The extent of the damage is yet to be determined.

The 369ft landing ship had been renovated for use against its original owner, so Ukraine decided to strike with a Ukrainian-made Neptune anti-ship missile.
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This was in addition to inflicting ‘critical’ damage on Yamal and Azov, two large landing ships worth £170 million each.

Although the condition of the Ivan Khurs and its crew of up to 131 is unclear, Ukraine believes none of the latest four targets are able for use in Russia’s war.
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the ships might not be totally destroyed, but rendering them inactive against Ukraine is the key. When the war's done, perhaps Ukraine can take their ships back and restore them, rebuilding their navy.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...&cvid=0e6d11c7011d476388086533c19906e9&ei=136
 
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