War starts on command, but doesn't end when you please

[butters]

A big problem here is not only whether Ukraine can prevail...but the West has no plan to handle them prevailing.

And for that matter, there is no real plan for the west to change their stance on Russia once this war concludes, regardless of outcome.

We are basically positioned to just return to "business as usual" with Russia.

for that to happen, wouldn't it require a regime change? The world economy will always benefit from sound trade between as many nations as possible... markets generally enjoy stability though there will always be those who profit from instability.

an article i was reading a few days ago spoke to how China is now basically waiting for the russian system to collapse to then step in and assume control of huge swathes of russian land (north and east) with all its resources. Chinese expansionism is active and if it can benefit from industries/resources located beyond its borders, it'd not be an unexpected move. It does, however, depend on if the russian economy totally collapses. Perhaps a 'return to normal' is not such a bad thing in that light. I honestly don't know nearly enough about it to offer anything insightful, but the article had me thinking and thinking's never a bad thing.

 

[ll74]

for that to happen, wouldn't it require a regime change? The world economy will always benefit from sound trade between as many nations as possible... markets generally enjoy stability though there will always be those who profit from instability.

an article i was reading a few days ago spoke to how China is now basically waiting for the russian system to collapse to then step in and assume control of huge swathes of russian land (north and east) with all its resources. Chinese expansionism is active and if it can benefit from industries/resources located beyond its borders, it'd not be an unexpected move. It does, however, depend on if the russian economy totally collapses. Perhaps a 'return to normal' is not such a bad thing in that light. I honestly don't know nearly enough about it to offer anything insightful, but the article had me thinking and thinking's never a bad thing.

It would require a shift in strategy that the West seems to be ignoring. No matter how this turns out, the west is not doing anything currently to adjust. The new Russia will require new.thinking...even if Putin sticks around

 

[butters]

It would require a shift in strategy that the West seems to be ignoring. No matter how this turns out, the west is not doing anything currently to adjust. The new Russia will require new.thinking...even if Putin sticks around

how do we know they are ignoring it, though, and stuff isn't already under discussion/being planned for/undertaken out of the public's eye?

are these the kind of policy changes and proposals that are announced here?

 

[ll74]

how do we know they are ignoring it, though, and stuff isn't already under discussion/being planned for/undertaken out of the public's eye?

are these the kind of policy changes and proposals that are announced here?

Nothing is changing from a diplomatic standpoint...seems pretty clear

 

[JohnEBbad]

That is a statement so far removed from reality as to cast a poor light upon its author's grip on reality.

 

[jaF0]

Do annexation votes mean anything when the people involved are installed puppets?

 

[iso36]

I honestly don't know nearly enough about it to offer anything insightful

Please make this your Signature.

 

[butters]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=e827dbc1262b4f21b0e8d9087c657949

russian stocks reach new lows after russian moves to strengthen punishment for deserters, insubordinates, those who damage russian property etc..., plus 'sham' votes to annexe Ukraine territory and televised threats of nuclear attacks on the western world

 

[butters]

Turkey has issued a huge warning to Russia after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan ordered Vladimir Putin to return all "occupied" land - including Crimea.

India, China, now Turkey...

"This is what is expected. This is what is wanted. Mr Putin has taken certain steps. We have taken certain steps. The lands which were invaded will be returned to Ukraine."

i guess we have to wait and see what happens, but when even erdogan bails? who has putin left? Belarus? i don't know how much this is related the russia's grain (needed to be exported by russia, bought by other countries), but with erdogan edging things as an arbiter towards peace it must all play into the mix.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...pc=U531&cvid=b80156c6959b4a61f86b45f253f10e74

 

[ffish1]

Hilarious that Biden had to sit behind all those Black people,
at the Queen's funeral.

Typical British bull.

Rape and thieve countries,
be worried about their nephew's skin color
then bat your eyelashes for TV watchers to see.

 

[butters]

Hilarious that Biden had to sit behind all those Black people,
at the Queen's funeral.

Typical British bull.

Rape and thieve countries,
be worried about their nephew's skin color
then bat your eyelashes for TV watchers to see.

you ignorance of the seating protocols is absolute

 

[ffish1]

sorry, I actually picked on you randomly, because I was pissed off with spacekowboy and oggbashan.

I find it ludicrous that members of two Empires with a similar past to Russia's
give the World lessons in morality.

Nobody agrees with Putin's war crimes and forced russification
But don't whitewash the human rights abuse committed by Ukraine against it's own minorities, either.

It's not about people for these colonial-minded turds
it's about their countries remaining no.1

 

[butters]

sorry, I actually picked on you randomly, because I was pissed off with spacekowboy and oggbashan.

I find it ludicrous that members of two Empires with a similar past to Russia's
give the World lessons in morality.

Nobody agrees with Putin's war crimes and forced russification
But don't whitewash the human rights abuse committed by Ukraine against it's own minorities, either.

It's not about people for these colonial-minded turds
it's about their countries remaining no.1

grow up

post 296 tells you about who sits where and why
https://forum.literotica.com/thread...has-passed-away.1573936/page-12#post-95790295

 

[ffish1]

but aren't you fed up with the manichean manner in which Massmedia and Elites are coercing us to think

We all agree that Putin did awful things breach soverwignty war crimes etc
but we also need nuance.
It never is the 100% good guys versus 100% bad guys.

This dumbing down that Massmedia is doing to us, feels so stifling.

 

[butters]

after putin's move for conscription and threatening nukes:

Moments after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced plans for a "partial mobilization" as part of the war in Ukraine, flights to nearby countries began to sell out.

Flights to Istanbul, Turkey, and Yerevan, Armenia, were sold out quickly after the speech, according to Lenta, a Russian newspaper.

Turkey and Armenia are two countries Russians may travel to without a visa.

Flights to Baku, Azerbaijan, Almaty, Kazakhstan, and Tbilisi, Georgia, are also selling out or going for four to five times the normal price, according to Google Flights. Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Georgia are also countries Russians may enter without a visa.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...sedgntp&cvid=28fa239ea9f94b608040777c7e674522

 

[ll74]

In another dick move, Russia will annex four Ukrainian territories after bullshit vote. Putin to attend (might be a good opportunity for him to have an unfortunate accident)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...asion-annex-regions-live-updates/10458492002/

Russia state media said Putin will make a speech at the Kremlin to mark the staged annexations, which are illegal under international law and call to mind Russia's annexation of Ukraine's Crimea region in 2014. Preparations were being made Thursday for the ceremony, with Red Square in Moscow being sealed off and a stage being erected.

 

[Dribble]

In another dick move, Russia will annex four Ukrainian territories after bullshit vote. Putin to attend (might be a good opportunity for him to have an unfortunate accident)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...asion-annex-regions-live-updates/10458492002/

Won't matter...Russia can never hold them. Every soldier they send to keep order will be sent back in a coffin

 

[butters]

Won't matter...Russia can never hold them. Every soldier they send to keep order will be sent back in a coffin

not necessarily: Zelenskyy has been putting out broadcasts in Russian telling the russians forced to the fight how to surrender to Ukraine forces for their own safety, where they'll be treated humanely.

 

[jaF0]

The bridge that wasn't too far seems to have been cut off.

Supply lines disrupted.

 

[jaF0]

The UKes sent birthday greetings to the Vlad via Marilyn Monroe singing 'Happy Birthday' with a picture of the burning bridge.

 

[LupusDei]

The bridge that wasn't too far seems to have been cut off.

Beauty in destruction:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Feh3StZX0AEdowo?format=jpg&name=large

The immediate suspect is a truck bomb coming on the bridge from the Russian side. The driver may possibly be unwitting victim, not a suicide. Those two lanes are down, three spans in two separate places (the bridge sits on bearings; the second breath made by movement out of bonds). The opposite, east going side still stands, kinda, and nominally the traffic had been resumed... on one line switch direction basis for escorted bathes of 10-20 light vehicles at a time. For propaganda purposes primarily.

The fire of oil cars on the railway had been extinguished, but the burned cars are reportedly still there (possibly welded shut to the tracks), but the railway is two track and second line is free a test train have crossed, so traffic is to partially restored immediately there too. That means the primary kinetic effects are partial at best. The railway is what counts; the road comparably irrelevant.

I expect a repeat in a week or two. Especially if it wasn't a truck bomb after all. It could be the same heavy rocket that attacked that airfield. Nothing in UA arsenal has that sort of punch, but that (Grom2) could have been purpose modified.

Meanwhile, the infowars effects are far more profound. Especially in light of the hints it could be an inside job as part of FSB/PMC/Kadirovites rivalries with DoD going hotter by minute.

 

[butters]

bucket of gold tooth fillings and dentures found on torture site
remind anyone of anything?
and hagfish was worried about nazis in Ukraine rather than the nazis invading Ukraine

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...cvid=fe46661b80a5416cbc37e65dc8d8e1b4#image=2

 

[ffish1]

bucket of gold tooth fillings and dentures found on torture site
remind anyone of anything?
and hagfish was worried about nazis in Ukraine rather than the nazis invading Ukraine

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...cvid=fe46661b80a5416cbc37e65dc8d8e1b4#image=2

that's nothing compared to what your folks plundered out of Africa

 

[butters]

that's nothing compared to what your folks plundered out of Africa

yeah, you go right on making excuses for fascism

 

[LupusDei]

Beauty in destruction:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Feh3StZX0AEdowo?format=jpg&name=large

The fire of oil cars on the railway had been extinguished, but the burned cars are reportedly still there (possibly welded shut to the tracks),

For a follow up: yep, indeed it's one nicely deep fried railroad:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1579542116006768641

The underlying structure is all steel too.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FeutvNZWAAoLzRy?format=jpg&name=large

The granite gravel bed of the railway tried to keep it warm, while the strong crosswinds may have helped with cooling While massive, it may be compromised where the burning fuel wrapped around. This lane is perhaps out for good as far heavy loads are considered, even through the tracks itself could be replaced easily enough. The other track had been heated to, while Russians have run a couple light trains through on that, it probably needs a section or two replaced too.

As to the road, the remaining lane is currently limited to 3.5 tons; all heavier vehicles go by ferry. That has a rather limited throughput though.