Waste of time?

[RoyceConnors]

I think the problem here is that even feedback is not a great measure of whether you should continue writing. Part of that is the fact that this is a free site, and people's use of it probably swings. They'll have lots of time to read in January, not so much in March. So someone may be reading you faithfully, then stop, because of other demands on their time.

As for "waste of time" -- surely you've seen the range of quality in stories. Yet they continue to be posted.

It's only a waste of time if you think it is. Yes, we all want to be read and receive good "reviews," no question. But we can't all get that and we certainly shouldn't rely on it.

If you want to finish, then you should. As CWatson said -- writing is about the writer.

Truer words PL. I can't really expect the feedback commentary I am looking for here. I've gone to the Writer's section and checked out numerous hints and how to threads, so I can only expect to put it out there and see how well I've done in learning.

Maybe it's all in my head and I'm just being a Nervous Nelly, wanting my first effort to actually be something. Writing sex and erotica wasn't that hard and my stories were well received and many H's. I tired of it and wanted something a bit more challenging and of course substance.

I came out of the gate a bit wobbly, but I'm getting a feel for it and it's writing itself more. Could be that nasty old self-doubt creeping in to give me the willy's and the heebie-jeebies.

 

[Firebrain]

You can't write for Lit feedback. Just doesn't work, for several reasons:

a) you can't predict what will "sell" on Lit at all
b) just because something gets lots of feedback does not mean that it is amazing, and vice versa (I am not knocking those who get lots; just as I'm not knocking those who get none. It's just subjective)
c) when you get a lot of good feedback then you may find yourself catering to the reader, instead of yourself. Not good.

 

[RoyceConnors]

I'm going to take the posts made here as the feedback I needed and get back to just writing it as it comes from me. I'll keep my hopes an editor can help me put it all together and make it the best it can be.
Thanks to all who responded and gave your thoughts.

 

[RoyceConnors]

I appreciate all the kind words and assistance many of you have given me, but I am no longer going to post my story on this site. I can't, with all honesty, continue to submit my work to a site filled with vindictive trolls and writers who 1 bomb my story because of jealousy. Crude and vulgar comments aside, what purpose does it serve to diminish a writer and his/her work, because you trolls can't write worth shit and hate that your story is doing so bad.

Ripping at mine, isn't going to make yours any better. It sucked when you wrote it and it still sucks and will always suck, until you learn to write well. You have your wish, I'll stop submitting chapters and go elsewhere, where lowlifes can't prowl.

Thanks trolls, you've succeeded in ridding this site of another writer. Pretty soon, only the really shitty writers will remain and you just might stand a chance of having a top story.

The Admins. should look into dealing better with this problem, or their site won't be worth anything, but a troll hang-out.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, that's strange. Fifteen out of sixteen of your posted chapters are running hot in the ratings. I don't think you have any concept of what having your stories trolls means on this Web site. (My just-posted story started life with a 1 bomb this morning.) But if you're that thin skinned, it's probably a good idea to try out the grass in the next pasture.

 

[RoyceConnors]

Well, that's strange. Fifteen out of sixteen of your posted chapters are running hot in the ratings. I don't think you have any concept of what having your stories trolls means on this Web site. (My just-posted story started life with a 1 bomb this morning.) But if you're that thin skinned, it's probably a good idea to try out the grass in the next pasture.

Might be strange to you, but I just watched all my chapters drop. They were all hit with 1's, again and a couple have now lost their hot rating.
My last chapter started at 4.84, it dropped to 4.79, them 4.73, then 4.70. Don't tell me I'm over-reacting to things. I can see how this place works and it isn't where I want to start out writing.

I would think an adult website would be run like one, not a place of immature, spitefulness that goes unchecked. You can say what you want, but I expected more from this place than what I received. I see so much disrespect shown and it isn't something I wish to be involved with.

Call it thin-skinned if you want, but I call it setting standards for myself I won't lower, to accommodate such behaviour.

 

[sr71plt]

Might be strange to you, but I just watched all my chapters drop. They were all hit with 1's, again and a couple have now lost their hot rating.
My last chapter started at 4.84, it dropped to 4.79, them 4.73, then 4.70. Don't tell me I'm over-reacting to things. I can see how this place works and it isn't where I want to start out writing.

I would think an adult website would be run like one, not a place of immature, spitefulness that goes unchecked. You can say what you want, but I expected more from this place than what I received. I see so much disrespect shown and it isn't something I wish to be involved with.

Call it thin-skinned if you want, but I call it setting standards for myself I won't lower, to accommodate such behaviour.

I'd recommend finding someplace else then.

 

[RoyceConnors]

I'd recommend finding someplace else then.

I am. Thanks for the recommendation

 

[_Lynn_]

Might be strange to you, but I just watched all my chapters drop. They were all hit with 1's, again and a couple have now lost their hot rating.
My last chapter started at 4.84, it dropped to 4.79, them 4.73, then 4.70. Don't tell me I'm over-reacting to things. I can see how this place works and it isn't where I want to start out writing.

I would think an adult website would be run like one, not a place of immature, spitefulness that goes unchecked. You can say what you want, but I expected more from this place than what I received. I see so much disrespect shown and it isn't something I wish to be involved with.

Call it thin-skinned if you want, but I call it setting standards for myself I won't lower, to accommodate such behaviour.

If everyone who had scores drop ran away, there would be no one left. The scores drop, they go up, they level out. And many of us write more not just for high scores, but because we want to write, because we have a story to tell, because we have talent. But when the scores mean more to the person than anything else, I believe that person needs to re-evaluate their reasons for writing.

Good luck wherever you choose to post your story. Lit isn't for everyone, but Lit is the best in my opinion.

 

[PennLady]

I appreciate all the kind words and assistance many of you have given me, but I am no longer going to post my story on this site. I can't, with all honesty, continue to submit my work to a site filled with vindictive trolls and writers who 1 bomb my story because of jealousy. Crude and vulgar comments aside, what purpose does it serve to diminish a writer and his/her work, because you trolls can't write worth shit and hate that your story is doing so bad.

I'm not sure why you think you'll find a troll-less site elsewhere. Unfortunately, trolls are everywhere and have been since the days of modem-based BBSs. And boy, did I just date myself. You have to ignore the trolls, it's really the only thing to do.

I think the admins do the best they can. But this is an open, free site, and so you have to take the bad with the good.

And remember in the grand scheme -- these scores mean nothing. Or very little. It's nice, I admit, to have Hs, and stars, and positive feedback. But as I've said before, this isn't like you're being judged by your peers. Anyone can comment, and you are free to ignore them (or not). But why is a low rating, from people you don't even know, enough to put you off?

 

[CWatson]

Hey, none of my best stories ever had red H's to begin with. That's how I know they're my best stories: they challenged The Reader, and if there's one thing The Reader doesn't want in his pornography, it's being made uncomfortable. I think those readers are stupid, but I took it as a compliment because it meant the story worked.

But seriously: If you're only here for H's, then don't post. Don't post here. Don't post anywhere. True, there are sites out there with (slightly) more-professional reading populations, but the only way to keep your stories safe from unfair and careless criticism is to pull a Salinger: lock them in a safe and never let anyone read them. There is no audience that will appreciate you in only the way you deserve; we are all the prey of jerks, trolls and bullies everywhere. One either grows a thick skin or goes insane. Sorry, but them's the breaks.

 

[michchick98]

I appreciate all the kind words and assistance many of you have given me, but I am no longer going to post my story on this site. I can't, with all honesty, continue to submit my work to a site filled with vindictive trolls and writers who 1 bomb my story because of jealousy. Crude and vulgar comments aside, what purpose does it serve to diminish a writer and his/her work, because you trolls can't write worth shit and hate that your story is doing so bad.

Ripping at mine, isn't going to make yours any better. It sucked when you wrote it and it still sucks and will always suck, until you learn to write well. You have your wish, I'll stop submitting chapters and go elsewhere, where lowlifes can't prowl.

Thanks trolls, you've succeeded in ridding this site of another writer. Pretty soon, only the really shitty writers will remain and you just might stand a chance of having a top story.

The Admins. should look into dealing better with this problem, or their site won't be worth anything, but a troll hang-out.

Wow, bitter much?

Do you expect perfect scores across the board for every chapter? Well, keep dreaming cuz I think that's rare. I'd say even a 4.0 out of 5.0 is good. Sure, anything under 4.5 doesn't give you the red H, but you're whining about a few tenths drop in points. When it drops from a 4.73 to a 3 or lower, then come crying to someone.

Geezus, grow a thicker skin, sunshine. There are far worse things in this world than to get a few low votes on your writing on a FREE site.

Every site has trolls, so good luck finding one that doesn't. In the meantime, take a deep breath and try to relax, there are more important things to worry about.

Of course, by starting this thread, you probably invited all those "vindictive trolls" to target your work, just because they can.

 

[RoyceConnors]

Wow, bitter much?

Do you expect perfect scores across the board for every chapter? Well, keep dreaming cuz I think that's rare. I'd say even a 4.0 out of 5.0 is good. Sure, anything under 4.5 doesn't give you the red H, but you're whining about a few tenths drop in points. When it drops from a 4.73 to a 3 or lower, then come crying to someone.

Geezus, grow a thicker skin, sunshine. There are far worse things in this world than to get a few low votes on your writing on a FREE site.

Every site has trolls, so good luck finding one that doesn't. In the meantime, take a deep breath and try to relax, there are more important things to worry about.

Of course, by starting this thread, you probably invited all those "vindictive trolls" to target your work, just because they can.

I guess you don't know how bad it is, to watch your scores go down steadily and never go up. I don't think having a thicker skin will help me deal with juvenille attitudes, when I'm trying to improve my writing skills.

All I wanted was some feedback to know if I was doing okay and where I could improve on things. I do believe it's called "Constructive Criticism". I know I'm a complete tyro at this and trying to put forth my best effort.

No sooner have I asked for help and looked at my scores this morning and find I have been 1 bombed for yet a third time on every chapter. And this helps me how? Realize that mental giants exist everywhere? I know they do.

Everything about this site is ruined by trolls and miscreants running around. If the Admins were concerned about things, they would step up their actions and control how their writers are being treated. It may be a free site, but it doesn't mean that people should be allowed to run rampant and trash everything.

As you say, I opened the door to the trolls by asking for help. This is the kind of help writers need? Ask for assistance and have your work trashed so you can have a 'thick skin', isn't what I was hoping for.

I'm not looking for red H's or perfect scores. I was looking for an honest score, representative of the quality of writing, not whether I'm in a clique or popular. The contests here are as bogus as they come. People who have less than 10 posts and started here less than a month ago are voting who is best at this or that. Honestly?

Nothing on this site is, as it should be. It's governed by trolls and their ilk. Moderation is virtually non-existent on the threads and as such, the troubles are left unchecked.

I'll do much better on my own and write without the negativity being thrown in my face. I know many have gone because of the same problems and I find that very disappointing.

 

[favoritesgoddess]

Honey, the scores mean nothing. If you're using them to judge how well you're doing as a writer, you're going about it all the wrong way.

Yes, you are going to be hit with trolls, and you're going to be scored low by others who just don't like your stories. But what does that mean? Either you can go, as most writers do, "Oh, trolls..." and move on with your writing, or you can shake your fist to heaven about it and call down plagues upon their heads and on their children's heads.

Don't write to be liked, or to get the most positive comments, or a red H, or the highest rated, most read, best-liked Literotica story of all time. Write because you cannot help but write. And know that when you offer it up to be read, some people are going to love you, some are going to hate you, and everyone else is going to fall in between somewhere.

I'd advise turning off your comments and voting if it bothers you so much. Then the only people whose feedback you'll receive are those whom you've asked.

 

[sr71plt]

I guess you don't know how bad it is, to watch your scores go down steadily and never go up. I don't think having a thicker skin will help me deal with juvenille attitudes, when I'm trying to improve my writing skills.

OK, that's enough. Of course most of us know how it feels to watch our scores go down. But most of us don't want to suck all of the air out of the room and have all of the marbles that are on the table. And you are coming across like you do. And, as Mich, suggested, that's probably why you are getting trolled. But, in fact, your stats show that you aren't getting trolled. You haven't a clue on what getting trolled really does to your ratings and comment pages.

Just go off and try your luck elsewhere. You aren't the Queen Mary.

 

[RoyceConnors]

OK, that's enough. Of course most of us know how it feels to watch our scores go down. But most of us don't want to suck all of the air out of the room and have all of the marbles that are on the table. And you are coming across like you do. And, as Mich, suggested, that's probably why you are getting trolled. But, in fact, your stats show that you aren't getting trolled. You haven't a clue on what getting trolled really does to your ratings and comment pages.

Just go off and try your luck elsewhere. You aren't the Queen Mary.

In all honesty SR, fuck you. You've done nothing but hound my posts since I started. If you have something positive to say, say it, otherwise, STFU. I asked for help in writing, plain and simple. Where was that asking to be trolled?

I don't know what trolling is? Get a grip, I know full-well what it is. You don't read my Emails or PM's, so don't accuse me of things you know nothing about.

I asked if I was wasting my time writing, as I received nothing in the way of feedback and the scores don't represent anything realistic. Instead of assisting me in my approach for help, you offer nothing but criticism of it.

For all I, or anyone else knows, you could be the biggest troll in here. So go ahead and bomb me some more.

 

[sr71plt]

Whine, whine, whine.

 

[michchick98]

I guess you don't know how bad it is, to watch your scores go down steadily and never go up. I don't think having a thicker skin will help me deal with juvenille attitudes, when I'm trying to improve my writing skills.

I don't write for the scores. Sure, they're nice to see and the red H's, but if I were to write strictly to watch my scores and come unglued when they drop .13 in a short period of time, then I'm wasting my time. I write for me. I write for the readers too, but I can't please everyone and I've long since learned that if I want to stress over something as trivial as a score on a story I've written for free on a free internet site, then perhaps I need to re-evaluate my life.

It's nothing, and I do mean NOTHING to get so damned worked up over.

Saying "I'm leaving because I don't like what people are saying" makes you no better than the trolls you're whining about. Yeah, let's talk about juvenile.

All I wanted was some feedback to know if I was doing okay and where I could improve on things. I do believe it's called "Constructive Criticism". I know I'm a complete tyro at this and trying to put forth my best effort.

No sooner have I asked for help and looked at my scores this morning and find I have been 1 bombed for yet a third time on every chapter. And this helps me how? Realize that mental giants exist everywhere? I know they do.

So what if you don't get feedback? Do you like what you write? If your scores are hovering in the high 4's and you have a majority of red H's, why do you need "verbal" feedback? Do you want hundreds of comments of people saying "I loved it" or would you rather see the 4.5 + and see that people are voting between a 4 ("Really Liked It - Good Read") and a 5 ("LOVED IT - One of the Best")?

Why does it matter? If you have a majority of red H's on your stories, most people who've voted have voted between a 4 and a 5. Why do you need an endless string of comments? Of course, then if you did get the simple "I loved it" comments, you'd bitch that people weren't more articulate.

Are you happy with what you've written? Do you like the story?

Seriously, take the ego down a notch or two, it makes you look foolish to whine about something so damned trivial.

Everything about this site is ruined by trolls and miscreants running around. If the Admins were concerned about things, they would step up their actions and control how their writers are being treated. It may be a free site, but it doesn't mean that people should be allowed to run rampant and trash everything.

Good God, get the fuck over it already! The site administrators believe in free speech and therefore will allow the "trolls and miscreants" to continue to "run around." And you know the funny thing is? The more you bitch about the "trolls and miscreants running around" and voting down your stories, the more they'll do it because they know it's pissing you off.

Don't feed the trolls and they go away.

As you say, I opened the door to the trolls by asking for help. This is the kind of help writers need? Ask for assistance and have your work trashed so you can have a 'thick skin', isn't what I was hoping for.

I'm not looking for red H's or perfect scores. I was looking for an honest score, representative of the quality of writing, not whether I'm in a clique or popular. The contests here are as bogus as they come. People who have less than 10 posts and started here less than a month ago are voting who is best at this or that. Honestly?

Funny, this has gone from your lack of feedback to your discontent over the contests and the number of new members registering to vote on the Readers' Choice threads.

So, what's really the issue here? Are you angry because no one voted for you? Get over it. No one voted for me either. I'm not gonna have a temper tantrum about it.

So what if maybe some of those new IDs are authors nominating themselves? If that's what makes them feel better, who cares? If you feel you're being cheated or someone else is cheating, send a PM to Laurel, don't sit there and bitch about it. Shit or get off the pot.

Nothing on this site is, as it should be. It's governed by trolls and their ilk. Moderation is virtually non-existent on the threads and as such, the troubles are left unchecked.

I'll do much better on my own and write without the negativity being thrown in my face. I know many have gone because of the same problems and I find that very disappointing.

There is a moderator here on the Story Feedback forum. If you have an issue with something, contact him. His user name is The Conformist. You can send a PM to him here: http://forum.literotica.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=485150

There has never been a moderator on the AH or on the GB. But we do have the controls to ignore the "trolls and miscreants" as we see fit. You don't like someone, put them on ignore. You don't like a thread, don't read it. Pretty simple and again not something you should be coming unglued over.

If there's something that really, really offends you, send a PM to Laurel here: http://forum.literotica.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=7

But if you want to have your little hissy fit and leave, fine, no one's stopping you. We're all just wondering why you're getting so damned upset about something you do have some amount of control over.

By the way, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

 

[RoyceConnors]

Hmmm, talk about contradictory statements. On one hand, it's get over it and on the other, get out of here. Interesting.

I'm a beginning writer, which I have clearly stated. As such, I asked for help because I felt I was in trouble with my story and needed help.
I posted looking for an editor, I posted this thread in hopes of some constructive feedback. How was this a call for the trolls to attack me?

Now I'm told I'm a thin-skinned whiner, looking for all the marbles and crying because I didn't get my way. Really? I'm writing this story because I truly enjoy the subject and what I'm doing. I want it to be the best it can be, so I looked for help to write it.

Just because I still have H's and some 4.5's or better, doesn't mean I should still be happy. That's like taking the wheels of my car and telling me to be happy I still have what's left. It's nice to sit in, but I'm not going anywhere.

I'm wondering now when I have the right to free speech and not be dragged over the coals for it. A person isn't allowed to be pissed off anymore and say anything, according to what I've just been told.

Never knew writing could be so much fun.

 

[PennLady]

Hmmm, talk about contradictory statements. On one hand, it's get over it and on the other, get out of here. Interesting.

No, it's more like get over it and get out, I think. Just my guess.

I'm a beginning writer, which I have clearly stated. As such, I asked for help because I felt I was in trouble with my story and needed help.
I posted looking for an editor, I posted this thread in hopes of some constructive feedback. How was this a call for the trolls to attack me?

No one calls for the trolls to attack, although I venture to say when you go on about them, they decide to have some fun. Best treatment for trolls: ignore.

Now I'm told I'm a thin-skinned whiner, looking for all the marbles and crying because I didn't get my way. Really? I'm writing this story because I truly enjoy the subject and what I'm doing. I want it to be the best it can be, so I looked for help to write it.

You may or may not be thin-skinned; we all have our tolerance levels for that. However, this is not a site for professional writers, or readers for that matter. It's open to anyone, and many people feel that's as it should be, both here and on the internet in general. It's great that you want your story to be better, but you've come to a place that's pretty nebulous. I'm happy to help, as are some others, but if you want real, focused, (semi-?)pro feedback, you're probably in the wrong place. As we've said, the readers do not owe you anything, and by the same token, you don't owe them.

Just because I still have H's and some 4.5's or better, doesn't mean I should still be happy. That's like taking the wheels of my car and telling me to be happy I still have what's left. It's nice to sit in, but I'm not going anywhere.

But this is not the place to look for perfect or even improved scores. It is simply too wide open. Fantastic stuff gets middling scores, and crap gets great scores -- I've seen it happen. Hell, I've edited the crap that gets "you should be published!" reviews, which isn't much better once I've finished editing, depending on the author.

I'm curious as to why you rely on these scores so much -- they are from people you don't know, who may or may not have any background in writing, who may or may not be all that discriminating in what they read. You can't rely on the unidentified masses here for a reliable indicator of how well-written your stuff is.

I'm wondering now when I have the right to free speech and not be dragged over the coals for it. A person isn't allowed to be pissed off anymore and say anything, according to what I've just been told.

Never knew writing could be so much fun.

You are of course welcome to be pissed off an express it -- but then people have the right to respond. If you consider that being dragged over the coals, well -- free speech.

 

[michchick98]

Hmmm, talk about contradictory statements. On one hand, it's get over it and on the other, get out of here. Interesting.

I'm a beginning writer, which I have clearly stated. As such, I asked for help because I felt I was in trouble with my story and needed help.
I posted looking for an editor, I posted this thread in hopes of some constructive feedback. How was this a call for the trolls to attack me?

Now I'm told I'm a thin-skinned whiner, looking for all the marbles and crying because I didn't get my way. Really? I'm writing this story because I truly enjoy the subject and what I'm doing. I want it to be the best it can be, so I looked for help to write it.

Just because I still have H's and some 4.5's or better, doesn't mean I should still be happy. That's like taking the wheels of my car and telling me to be happy I still have what's left. It's nice to sit in, but I'm not going anywhere.

I'm wondering now when I have the right to free speech and not be dragged over the coals for it. A person isn't allowed to be pissed off anymore and say anything, according to what I've just been told.

Never knew writing could be so much fun.

Really, as you drone on and on about the same shit after people have tried to give you advice repeatedly, this is how you're coming across now:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5219/5434886846_67c9290488_o.jpg

Just sayin'

 

[RoyceConnors]

Really, as you drone on and on about the same shit after people have tried to give you advice repeatedly, this is how you're coming across now:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5219/5434886846_67c9290488_o.jpg

Just sayin'

'I'm going to take the posts made here as the feedback I needed and get back to just writing it as it comes from me. I'll keep my hopes an editor can help me put it all together and make it the best it can be.
Thanks to all who responded and gave your thoughts.'

What part of this did you miss? Nice of you to drop in halfway through and spout off. Try not to be so late next time.

 

[michchick98]

I appreciate all the kind words and assistance many of you have given me, but I am no longer going to post my story on this site. I can't, with all honesty, continue to submit my work to a site filled with vindictive trolls and writers who 1 bomb my story because of jealousy. Crude and vulgar comments aside, what purpose does it serve to diminish a writer and his/her work, because you trolls can't write worth shit and hate that your story is doing so bad.

Ripping at mine, isn't going to make yours any better. It sucked when you wrote it and it still sucks and will always suck, until you learn to write well. You have your wish, I'll stop submitting chapters and go elsewhere, where lowlifes can't prowl.

Thanks trolls, you've succeeded in ridding this site of another writer. Pretty soon, only the really shitty writers will remain and you just might stand a chance of having a top story.

The Admins. should look into dealing better with this problem, or their site won't be worth anything, but a troll hang-out.

Might be strange to you, but I just watched all my chapters drop. They were all hit with 1's, again and a couple have now lost their hot rating.
My last chapter started at 4.84, it dropped to 4.79, them 4.73, then 4.70. Don't tell me I'm over-reacting to things. I can see how this place works and it isn't where I want to start out writing.

I would think an adult website would be run like one, not a place of immature, spitefulness that goes unchecked. You can say what you want, but I expected more from this place than what I received. I see so much disrespect shown and it isn't something I wish to be involved with.

Call it thin-skinned if you want, but I call it setting standards for myself I won't lower, to accommodate such behaviour.

I guess you don't know how bad it is, to watch your scores go down steadily and never go up. I don't think having a thicker skin will help me deal with juvenille attitudes, when I'm trying to improve my writing skills.

All I wanted was some feedback to know if I was doing okay and where I could improve on things. I do believe it's called "Constructive Criticism". I know I'm a complete tyro at this and trying to put forth my best effort.

No sooner have I asked for help and looked at my scores this morning and find I have been 1 bombed for yet a third time on every chapter. And this helps me how? Realize that mental giants exist everywhere? I know they do.

Everything about this site is ruined by trolls and miscreants running around. If the Admins were concerned about things, they would step up their actions and control how their writers are being treated. It may be a free site, but it doesn't mean that people should be allowed to run rampant and trash everything.

As you say, I opened the door to the trolls by asking for help. This is the kind of help writers need? Ask for assistance and have your work trashed so you can have a 'thick skin', isn't what I was hoping for.

I'm not looking for red H's or perfect scores. I was looking for an honest score, representative of the quality of writing, not whether I'm in a clique or popular. The contests here are as bogus as they come. People who have less than 10 posts and started here less than a month ago are voting who is best at this or that. Honestly?

Nothing on this site is, as it should be. It's governed by trolls and their ilk. Moderation is virtually non-existent on the threads and as such, the troubles are left unchecked.

I'll do much better on my own and write without the negativity being thrown in my face. I know many have gone because of the same problems and I find that very disappointing.

In all honesty SR, fuck you. You've done nothing but hound my posts since I started. If you have something positive to say, say it, otherwise, STFU. I asked for help in writing, plain and simple. Where was that asking to be trolled?

I don't know what trolling is? Get a grip, I know full-well what it is. You don't read my Emails or PM's, so don't accuse me of things you know nothing about.

I asked if I was wasting my time writing, as I received nothing in the way of feedback and the scores don't represent anything realistic. Instead of assisting me in my approach for help, you offer nothing but criticism of it.

For all I, or anyone else knows, you could be the biggest troll in here. So go ahead and bomb me some more.

Hmmm, talk about contradictory statements. On one hand, it's get over it and on the other, get out of here. Interesting.

I'm a beginning writer, which I have clearly stated. As such, I asked for help because I felt I was in trouble with my story and needed help.
I posted looking for an editor, I posted this thread in hopes of some constructive feedback. How was this a call for the trolls to attack me?

Now I'm told I'm a thin-skinned whiner, looking for all the marbles and crying because I didn't get my way. Really? I'm writing this story because I truly enjoy the subject and what I'm doing. I want it to be the best it can be, so I looked for help to write it.

Just because I still have H's and some 4.5's or better, doesn't mean I should still be happy. That's like taking the wheels of my car and telling me to be happy I still have what's left. It's nice to sit in, but I'm not going anywhere.

I'm wondering now when I have the right to free speech and not be dragged over the coals for it. A person isn't allowed to be pissed off anymore and say anything, according to what I've just been told.

Never knew writing could be so much fun.

The red highlighted parts of your posts are why I posted that picture.

'I'm going to take the posts made here as the feedback I needed and get back to just writing it as it comes from me. I'll keep my hopes an editor can help me put it all together and make it the best it can be.

Thanks to all who responded and gave your thoughts.'

What part of this did you miss? Nice of you to drop in halfway through and spout off. Try not to be so late next time.

I didn't miss any part of it, but the post immediately after that one is when you started whining and saying you were leaving.

So how's that whole leaving thing going anyway?

 

[favoritesgoddess]

Royce, if you're not going to take your stories and play somewhere else, please listen to what we're trying to tell you.

You cannot use the feedback and scores left by the great masses of Literotica readers as any kind of a meaningful barometer of your talent, or lack thereof. You can't discount the 1-votes as trolls without discounting the same kind of people who vote a 5 on whichever story made them nut. The comments and votes will not make you a better writer. PERIOD. The only thing it will do for you is to continue to allow you to confuse being talented with being popular.

Ask yourself why you want to be a better writer. If your motivation to improve is based on a desire to earn higher scores here, you've taken on a Sisyphean task. Seek the counsel of those whose opinions you respect when it comes to gauging your talent, but for the love of all things holy, stop letting the sun rise and set on whether the Great Reading Public likes you or not. You'll make yourself crazy.

 

[PacoFear]

Hi Royce,

I'm chiming in a bit late (okay, really late ) to point out a peril you've already fallen prey too. The folks who frequent the forums here are a tougher subset of Lit's general audience. We're a jaded, critical lot. How could we not be? We spend way too much time reading porn.

Not to be cruel, but your repeated hyperventilations about trolls shitting on your scores are misguided. Your post achieved what you wanted; it grabbed forum-goers' attentions and got them to read your stories. They voted their opinions. Your scores went down.

Now, whose opinions do you value more? The masses of anonymous grateful wankers you were relying on before you posted here, ones who clicked a four- or five-star just before or just after cleaning up their keyboards? Or the jaded, critical forum folks who read your story, did a bit of ruminating, then voted?

For what it's worth, I don't think what happened to you is entirely your fault, Royce-ster. This isn't the first time I've thought this place should come with a warning.

My advice? Pull on your big boy pants. Run the assorted criticisms through your internet filter. Take what you can. Move on.



-Paco