Weightloss

[dankei]

Umm I thought it was the Oilve oil and the mozzerella and Parmasian I put all over it.

Oh and the garlic bread.


On my diet. I ate pasta 2-3 times a week.

Adkins would cringe if he know I would eat a Large baked tato with Fat Free sour cream, low fat cheese and chicken on top of it about 2 times a week.



I do think differnt diets work for different people.

Actually, you are well within the Atkins diet with your stated menu. AND most importantly, you are making me hungry. Although if I'm going to have the baked potato I'm going to have lots of butter on it.

 

[dankei]

Actually, the Olive oil is just about the healthiest fat you can eat; the mozzerella and parmesan, while less healthy, have a good amount of protein with an excellent amino acid profile; and the garlic is good for your heart.

The keto sticks are an indispensible part of a ketogenic diet (like Atkins). They even have carb blocking pills now that can help you stay in ketosis. There's variations like the cyclical ketogenic diet, and the targeted ketogenic diet. But I'd suggest going to the forum at www.bodybuilding.com and talking to fitnessman. He knows more than Dr. Atkins about ketogenics. Par Deus, there, is unbelievably knowledgable as well. He runs a supplement company. And Big Cat is a Belgian graduate student in Biochemistry. Last time I checked, he was cut down for a conteset at 235 lbs., 7% body fat. It's the board to ask about nutrition and fitness.

Now see, I would be cautious about using the Atkins Diet AND the Carbo blockers at the same time. The 20 grams carbohydrate per day restriction of the Atkins' Diet is only for the first 14 days and after that you add 5 grams a day each week until you reach the point where you neither gain or loose weight. It seems to me that using the carbohydrate blockers during this time would be equivalent to staying on the Atkins' induction diet for the entire length of the diet which is a BIG no no, and is unhealthy. Atkins specifically warns not to stay on the induction part of his diet for more than 14 days. You are not supposed to stay in ketosis for a long period of time. It is just a way of jump starting your metabolism to start burning more calories.

 

[dankei]

Maybe we should start a new thread for all of us trying to loose weight were we can check in maybe weekly with a sort of "weigh in"...

Anything that motivates people to change their bad habits is good. People could post their weekly results and what they did that week to obtain those results. Of course for it to be beneficial to others people need to be honest about what they are doing and their results.

 

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[Susano]

True, staying in ketosis indefinitely has any number of unknown medical effects, and any very high protein diet can be hard on the kidneys. That's why the CKD and TKD (not choi kwan do and tae kwan do).
But like I said, I'm not the one with a doctorate in it. More moderate measures are probably more appropriate for the average person, like trying to balance calories consumed against calories burned, and walking for 40 minutes first thing in the morning, before breakfast, to get a boost in natural HgH production throughout the day. And having others to keep you honest is always good, no matter who you are.

 

[Etoile]

Okay, dankei, I think we can agree to disagree on this one.

Here are some informational sites on the Atkins diet:
http://dmoz.org/Health/Nutrition/Dietary_Options/Low_Carbohydrate/Atkins_Diet/ is a directory of sites
http://www.freep.com/news/health/atkins8_20010508.htm (article from Detroit Free Press)
http://www.ccli.org/articles/pcos2.shtml (info on Atkins and Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome)
http://www.leonardfitness.com/atkinsdiet.htm (article called "Hidden Dangers")

 

[Needssome]

Hey all! The biggest problem I have with the Atkins diet is just that - it's a DIET. Diet's don't work or so I've heard over and over and over again. I belong to the "everything in moderation" school. Who knows, they're saying this week french fries might cause cancer and who knows somebody may come out with a study that says they prevent some other disease. I just have to work on eating lots of fruits and veggies and drinking more water. Once I make it a habit to do all this stuff it'll become easier, same with exercise. As Dr. Phil (my hero and reason I may choose Clinical over Social Psychology) says, you have to get to the point where eating right and exercising don't require willpower, it's just part of your routine and your day doesn't feel right without it. Willpower only takes you so far, it's amazing what positive habits will do for you. Why is that I only seem to have bad habits?

As for feeling better about yourself before you can really start, anybody have any ideas? I already know going clothes shopping makes me depressed and that going with my sisters makes it even worse ("Oh this size 5 is too big, do you have it in a 3?" Or "This small is huge, do you an extra small?") so I've stopped doing that. In general I feel pretty good about myself, it's just I seem to be unable to look in the mirror without cringing. I was told one too many times in high school by guys I didn't even know that I was ugly and worthless. It's been 5 years since I've heard a comment like that but I still can't help looking in the mirror and see everything that's wrong with me. I can't think of a single body part that hasn't been picked apart by those guys. I heard stupid comments nearly everyday for 7 years...Perhaps it'll take 7 years before I can feel good about myself.

 

[dankei]

Okay, dankei, I think we can agree to disagree on this one.

Here are some informational sites on the Atkins diet:
http://dmoz.org/Health/Nutrition/Dietary_Options/Low_Carbohydrate/Atkins_Diet/ is a directory of sites
http://www.freep.com/news/health/atkins8_20010508.htm (article from Detroit Free Press)
http://www.ccli.org/articles/pcos2.shtml (info on Atkins and Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome)
http://www.leonardfitness.com/atkinsdiet.htm (article called "Hidden Dangers")

Ok, you have just illustrated my point. The first link you list appears to be just a list of Atkins related sites, which of course will support Atkins. The second link is an article about a speech that Atkins made to a gathering of physicians. The third link was an article by a Dr. basically supporting the Atkins diet.

The fourth link is a story that criticizes the Atkins diet but the writer has either never read the Atkins book (or only read the first few pages) or has an agenda of their own and is deliberately misleading the readers. The writer says things like "while eating all of the high protein foods you want: eggs, cheese, hamburger (without the bun), steak, and fats to name a few." The Atkins diet never encourages you to eat "all you want". You still have to keep you calorie intake to levels appropriate to you life style.

You say that we'll have to agree to disagree on these issues but that thinking only works on matters of opinion. We have not been discussing matters of opinion we have been discussing matters of fact; does the diet advocate this or that? The critics all agree that the Atkins diet works but they all talk about the problems that "could" occur if the diet during the first 14 days of the Atkins diet (called the induction diet) is followed for long periods of time. Dr. Atkins devotes a good part of his explanation of his diet specifically warning against using the induction diet for more then 14 days. He also specifically tells you to have a physical and get a blood test before beginning the diet and to take vitamins. If you show any signs of diabetes then you can't use this diet.

I have seen many critics, even seen them face to face with Dr. Atkins on TV and not one of those critics have ever stated the Atkins diet correctly. In situations like that there are only two possible truths: Either the critics were ignorant about the diet (haven't read the book) or they had an agenda of their own to promote and were deliberately misleading the public.

So, again, I'm not advocating this diet. I'm just pointing out that it works (as do all the critics) and correcting incorrect statements about the diet. After all how can anyone make a decision if they are given the wrong information?

 

[Etoile]

originally posted by dankei
You say that we'll have to agree to disagree on these issues but that thinking only works on matters of opinion. We have not been discussing matters of opinion we have been discussing matters of fact; does the diet advocate this or that?

Forgive me, but we're talking about two different things. The issue on which I am agreeing to disagree is whether or not you are regurgitating propaganda. I think you are, you think you're not, we disagree, that's fine with me. You've got your opinion and I've got mine.

originally posted by dankei
The first link you list appears to be just a list of Atkins related sites, which of course will support Atkins.

I beg to differ. The Open Directory Project is, like Yahoo, a directory of sites. It lists those that support a topic and those that oppose it. I have worked for ODP for more than three years now and I can assure you it is as impartial as other directories.

But I guess my statement wasn't clear enough. I had meant the "agree to disagree" as saying "let's drop the issue." I don't want to argue it anymore, it's not worth it to me.

 

[It'sasecret]

Ok I started "weigh in" thread. Who's going to go first????

 

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[Etoile]

I posted in the weight loss thread...no numbers yet. Do we want to post numbers, or just progress? I wouldn't mind saying how many pounds I lost each week.

 

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[Etoile]

Mine are on Fridays, actually. I'm only signed up through Weight Watchers Online, so I don't go to meetings or anything like that. I signed up on a Friday so that's when my weigh-ins are.

 

[Young Knave]

stay away from fast food. dairy. any fried food really. fruits and vegetables are good. exercise helps but i think what it comes down to ultimately is nutrition.

and i lost 30 pounds over the last six months so it can be done. this after i was overweight for years. its mostly a matter of willpower i think. it was difficult but definately worth it. i wish you luck.

 

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[Etoile]

Yep, ditto to Emerald_eyed's comments about dairy. I actually get a sandwich at Subway every day for lunch (during the work week), it's healthy and filling.

 

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[Etoile]

I'm a vegetarian, actually, so I just get a Veggie Delite every day. No cheese, no olives, no hot peppers, everything else.

 

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[Etoile]

originally posted by Emerald_eyed
What do you do for your protein?
I am very interested in the Lifestyle, but I dont know to much about it. I do know a lot of meats make me sick.

I've been a vegetarian for almost 9 years and never had a problem getting enough protein. Now that I'm dieting and I've reduced my calorie intake, I do have a protein shake almost every day. I use the Spiru-Tein brand. I wish they made protein supplement pills, but I haven't found any of those.

I'm happy to answer any other questions you've got!

 

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[PolythenePam]

Is there any way possible for tofu to tase good?
My mother was a vegan for a while and she fed us that crap fried. YUK

In hot and sour soup, with lots of mushrooms and pepper and chopped up veggies. That's when tofu is good!


Exercise-wise, I've been taking karate for about 6 months now--very traditional style. We do a 30 to 45 minute chart (read major stretching, punching, kicking, pushups, situps) then at least 45 more minutes of kata/forms. I sweat like a dog and feel great afterwards. The huge plus is I've lost inches without even trying, I don't weigh myself so I dunno about pounds, but I can wear clothes I wasn't comfy in before. I can also see my abs making an appearance and my arms are getting muscle definition I never had before. Might be worth a try if you hate regular old exercise classes like I do!

 

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[Needssome]

I think any sort of exercise is good for you and it's easiest when it's fun. I lost a bunch of weight in high school without even trying just because I walked more. My bus would get there 30 minutes before classes started and since there wasn't anything to do but wait around my friend and I would talk as we walked around the building and up and down the stairs to our 3rd floor lockers. Then at lunch we'd eat within 15 minutes and again not much else to do (except for the odd club meeting) so we'd walk around the neighbourhood and talk. We didn't do it to lose weight or stay healthy, it was more because we were bored and got sick and tired of sitting around all day, losing weight was a bonus. Eventually we stopped doing it and my weight started coming back on and then I went to university and was forced to live on campus food (aka deep frying EVERYTHING) for a year and gained even more weight. Last year I lived a 35 minute walk away from my school and I walked it at least twice if not 4 times a day in shin deep snow and pouring rain somedays. Unfortunately I only ended up losing 5 pounds the entire year. And while muscle weighs more than fat my clothes didn't fit any better and all the exercise made me absolutely ravenous most of the time. I didn't manage to keep the weight off though and so I have to start again at the beginning to lose that frosh 15.