What the fuck is wrong with Hillary Clinton?

[commonfreeman]

I didn't ask for a novella, I asked for a quote.

Do you have one or not? A sentence or two which shows your point, that Obama has played the race card to get where he is in this election.

You are on the border of looking like an ass, but you can still pull it out if you deliver he goods.

I am pulling for you, as I have no problem dissussing the issues with a person who actually can back up their opinions.

Please, don't fail me.

Pick a paragraph, but I already said his use of his white grandmother specifically. You just keep playing the same game of asking the same question over and over. What are you a lawyer?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Pick a paragraph, but I already said his use of his white grandmother specifically. You just keep playing the same game of asking the same question over and over. What are you a lawyer?

No, I won't pick a paragraph.

I requested a quote from you to back up your claims.

Your response was to inundate me with a mighty C&P.

You said he's played the race card to get where he is in this election. And when I asked for an actual example, with an actual quote, you've failed miserably.

I think my point is well proven.

You are dismissed.

 

[hogjack]

You are dismissed.

Luckily he took this course Pass/Fail.

 

[commonfreeman]

Are you saying that Obama specifically went after poor uneducated blacks but Hillary did not go after poor uneducated whites? What IS your point? I thought I was (at least partly) agreeing with you, but obviously not.

For the record, I've heard neither of them say anything politically incorrect. Both are far too smart for that.

You hit the nail on the head, neither will ever say (although Obama has once with his God and Guns quote which I think show his exact true feelings) anything like that. They have their little stratagists and staff to do the dirty work for them. And this is my whole point, the Obama crowd actually believe he is above it, and he is not. He is a true politician, a bullshitter.

 

[commonfreeman]

No, I won't pick a paragraph.

I requested a quote from you to back up your claims.

Your response was to inundate me with a mighty C&P.

You said he's played the race card to get where he is in this election. And when I asked for an actual example, with an actual quote, you've failed miserably.

I think my point is well proven.

You are dismissed.

You have grandiose notions of your importance, you never answered my question and I said three times his comments on his grandmother. You are so full of it.

 

[sigh]

Hillary's victories in Kentucky and West Virginia shows that she has a durable base of support, particularly among white, working-class voters and older women. Obama can't just discount those voters and no one should sluff them off as white bigoted voters.

Just as Hillary can't discount Obama's durable base of support, particularly among blacks, young voters, and educated white Democrats, regardless of implied bigotry from either side.

 

[PannieMonster]

Just as Hillary can't discount Obama's durable base of support, particularly among blacks, young voters, and educated white Democrats, regardless of implied bigotry from either side.

No she can't. I'm pretty sure that Obama will get the nomination. When that happens, Obama is going to need all those bigoted white voters to win in November.

 

[sigh]

You have grandiose notions of your importance, you never answered my question and I said three times his comments on his grandmother. You are so full of it.

The entire speech was in response to questions of race that were flying all through the media at that point. He didn't bring up the issue. He did, though, stand up and respond to it (quite brilliantly, I might add).

As for his grandmother, I don't get your point there. His grandmother IS white. So is his mother. And what he said about his grandmother's reaction to black men touched a nerve because it's true for many of us. Deep down, underneath it all, no matter how we rationalize it, I think most of us are a touch racist in our core. Me included. Why is pointing that out "playing the race card"? The man is half white. Let's not forget that.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

You have grandiose notions of your importance, you never answered my question and I said three times his comments on his grandmother. You are so full of it.

Hmmm.. then you should have quoted his comments on his G-ma,rather than post a long C&P then claim the answer was claimed within.

Oh wait, I dismissed you.

And rightly so.

Never mind, carry on.

 

[sigh]

No she can't. I'm pretty sure that Obama will get the nomination. When that happens, Obama is going to need all those bigoted white voters to win in November.

I can't remember the exit polls exactly, but something like twice as many Clinton supporters in Kentucky and West Virginia said that they would not vote for Obama, than Obama supporters said they wouldn't vote for Clinton.

Since both candidates have nearly identical positions on most issues, why do you suppose that is? Race can't be discounted in explaining their reactions. It can't be proven, either, but it does make you wonder.

 

[MechaBlade]

She took that whole "a quitter never wins and a winner never quits" thing to heart, God bless her!

great caesar's ghost, you're back.

 

[Jimi]

Hillary's victories in Kentucky and West Virginia shows that she has a durable base of support, particularly among white, working-class voters and older women. Obama can't just discount those voters and no one should sluff them off as white bigoted voters.

NOW it comes out. I can speak to WV, as Obama never bothered to campaign there. A great many Dems in WV... (JEEZ, isn't WV a pretty much Dem state, since FDR, UMW, WPA etc?) despise Hillary for her mendacity and air of "entitlement".

However, they were rather disappointed in the "People's" Candidate's lack of flesh-pressin' time in State. Sen. Obama's strategists screwed the pooch on THAT decision, imho.

 

[Azwed]

Pick a paragraph, but I already said his use of his white grandmother specifically. You just keep playing the same game of asking the same question over and over. What are you a lawyer?

Looks at join date...

Awww look a noob. Stay out of the big boy threads till you have learned a little more thanks mmmkaayyy.

NOW it comes out. I can speak to WV, as Obama never bothered to campaign there. A great many Dems in WV... (JEEZ, isn't WV a pretty much Dem state, since FDR, UMW, WPA etc?) despise Hillary for her mendacity and air of "entitlement".

However, they were rather disappointed in the "People's" Candidate's lack of flesh-pressin' time in State. Sen. Obama's strategists screwed the pooch on THAT decision, imho.

WV has gone to the reps for the past two presidential elections so there is some thought that it is not a competitive state for the dems anymore.

 

[tactful]

To answer the initial question, personally, I think she's just being a bitch.

 

[Ishmael]

You know, and I know, that she completely understands what happened in Michigan and Florida. Yet she spins it like dervish and lies right to your face.

I think she's calling you stupid.

She's just speaking to the average democrat voter.

Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

He needs more time to pick up on it bro...

 

[Ishmael]

He needs more time to pick up on it bro...

He just wants Hillary to quit so Obama doesn't have to cross the finish line.

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Ishmael

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

The Cousin Tom that Could...

 

[unregistered]

 

[Ishmael]

He's tired, he's been up late boning up on American history and geography. Apparently when you run the country you need to know how many states there are.

I like the one where he told a questioner he didn't know a thing about the Hanford nuclear power site and that he would find out more about it, yet he voted on an appropriation to clean it up.

That's good. I wish he'd spend his time on economics though. He's obviously clueless on that subject.

Ishmael

 

[unregistered]

 

[Roman_Maroni]

Other than her penis, nothing.

 

[ksmybuttons]

My understanding is that Edwards wants Attorney General. I can see Obama picking Richardson as his VP. That will garner the Latino vote and he's been a player for a long time.

Hilary has gone after the uneducated, bigoted, white vote and there are a lot of them out there. It's one of the reasons Bush is in office.

The reality is we will have a democratic nominee and then we will choose between that one and McCain.

Since I'm on her e-mail list, I can't believe the amount of stuff I get asking for money. Money is her downfall.

She made a tactical error when she didn't see Obama coming. I think those of us who follow politics a bit realize all those things about the Clintons that Bidin~Time listed say something about their integrity. Just as Bill lying about not inhaling or not having sex with that woman is much more of an issue for me than either of the actions.

So, anyway, everyone makes mistakes. It's how they handle them and own them that is most important.

Here we go again another Obama supporter who thinks anyone who does not want to vote for the bullshitter is an uneducated white racist. And then to boot thinks it ok to pick a VP based on race yet will deny Obama is playing the race card. Hypocrites.

If you cannot see the obvious implications of her statement than your just blind.

If you cannot see simple plain truth you are simply lost. Split hairs all you want,

Lets try this

"Hilary has gone after the uneducated, bigoted, white vote and there are a lot of them out there. It's one of the reasons Bush is in office. "

to this..

Obama has gone after the uneducated, bigoted, black vote and there are a lot of them out there. Its one reason he running for office.

would this be a racist statement? Would you be up in arms if someone made this statement. Your just another hypocrite.

Yes there are uneducated bigoted voters of all races as well quite a few educated bigoted voters too. It bothers me that the same people who make these statements about whites are same who attack Killswitch for his idiotic statements about blacks. I see it as liberal hypocrisy when it comes to race, just as see conservative hypocrisy over abortion and freedom to choose over one of the basics rights of whether you want to repoduce or not.

You seem to think it's a problem that I think that race, and, although not mentioned, gender, are playing a role in this election. Or you are saying that I'm a hypocrite if I mention anything about race in the nomination process? We are in a very unusual election and it's exciting. It also has the race and gender component that we have never had before.

Now you took this information and jumped to the conclusion that was the only reason that I believed anyone would vote for Hilary. That was quite the leap. Did you fall off your flat earth when that happened?

I acknowledge that for many race and gender are issues and are usable political manipulations. That makes me a hypocrite? I think I would be a hypocrite if I said I didn't believe they were an issue in this election.

Bigotry is. Gender bias is. Ageism is. As a progressive, I would say ignorance is the basis all of them. Education has nothing to do with it.

And, regarding Killswitch. I remind people that, because a black male posted pictures of black men having sex with white women, killswitch contacted the poster's employer and jeopardized his job. It ended up worked out well for black snake, but that doesn't excuse taking anything off the board. Bigotry just happens to be one of his many "endearing" characteristics.

And, I'm sure you have more dimensions that you are not displaying at this time, too.

 

[overthebow]

That's good. I wish he'd spend his time on economics though. He's obviously clueless on that subject.

Ishmael

Says the Inspector Clouseau of GB.

 

[Faneros]

Me too. He does understand tax and spend I suspect. I do think it's interesting that he has a Hillaryesque view of his life too, remembering things that never happened.

Tax out the ass, get ready...