What's with the re-categorization?

[walkerlong]

She's working on it. As far as I have understood, the plan is to eventually do away with the categories all together in favor of tags. Which makes a lot of sense since many stories span multiple areas. The problem is, that Lit is a huge beast and the staff is two people.

That's a fine idea. You could have moderated tags and open tags. An author could apply any open tags to their story they want. Moderated tags would require approval from some anointed gatekeepers.

 

[Laurel]

The bigger problem with that is that there isn't much of any control on tags here either--and probably never will be. Not to mention that the tags are kicked into a corner at the end of the story.

The tags were originally placed more prominently. We moved them because we received dozens of complaints from authors who felt the tags were "spoilers" which ruined/revealed plot points.

 

[Laurel]

I may be able to help here. There is a party calling him/her self Frontlinecaster who has set him/herself up as a self appointed censor of Loving Wives. He reports all BTB or stories not containing explicit sex as contravening submission guidelines. These would be the same guidelines that are applied when a story is approved. I had one story taken down as has cantbuymy starstang and a number of others.
My guess is that rather than telling FLC that it is her site, and she'll publish what she likes, she is appeasing him by taking stories down. Now that the authors are rebelling she's moving them hoping to keep everyone happy.

Your guess is incorrect. Whenever we receive a report of any kind, we look at merits of the report and go from there. If the story is indeed in the wrong category, we move it. If it is not in the wrong category, we don't. We do not move a story simply because we receive a report on it. In fact, the majority of reports we receive do not result in any action of any kind.

We are not interested in making any single person happy per se. We are interested in having a site with properly categorized stories. Having such a site will lead to happier readers who do more reading, which will lead to more comments and more voting and more interaction. That is what we care about - improving the site every day, little by little.

As I said in my PM to you - your stories and the other author's stories receive thousands of high votes, positive comments, and emails praising your writing/storytelling ability - yet instead of spending time thanking those who have put out the effort to tell you how much they enjoy your work, you spend a lot of time fixated on a single troll.

There is no well-known artist in the world who does not have detractors/trolls. Anyone who dares to put their work out there is bound to attract the attention of those who don't have talent but seek to steal some of an artist's limelight via public heckling.

You are giving your troll a piece of your limelight. You are letting him bask in your fame without having to do any sort of creative work himself. With every post and every minute you spend thinking of him, you are feeding him, encouraging him, making him stronger.

And in the process, you are neglecting those who praise your work, making your fans feel that they are not as important to you as this one hateful attention-seeker. That to me is the saddest part.

So long as we have readers, there will be trolls. That is the nature of the Internet and of life. Fixating on them will not make trolls go away. In fact, it will only encourage more trolling.

The best course of action would be to completely ignore the haters/trolls/attention-seeking hecklers and focus on your fans. Write for them. Thank them for their praise. They'll be happier, you'll be happier. But how you spend your time is up to you.

Hope this makes sense! Thank you all for your input.

 

[StrangeLife]

The tags were originally placed more prominently. We moved them because we received dozens of complaints from authors who felt the tags were "spoilers" which ruined/revealed plot points.

That is actually a good point. I must confess to occasionally having been deliberately cryptic myself when tagging... http://s16.postimg.org/thqci22cx/whistle.gif

But the reason for that is, that there are too many different tags and some of them are much too specific so the granularity becomes too fine. If we only had a short list of more "broad" tags like the present categories it would work pretty much like it does today, except that it would be easier for people whose stories span multiple categories.

 

[SecondCircle]

The tags were originally placed more prominently. We moved them because we received dozens of complaints from authors who felt the tags were "spoilers" which ruined/revealed plot points.

I could see that. Dare I ask, what are the plans for tags moving forward? I've heard but was wondering anyway.

 

[sr71plt]

The tags were originally placed more prominently. We moved them because we received dozens of complaints from authors who felt the tags were "spoilers" which ruined/revealed plot points.

Sounds like a good reason to me. I don't need to be protected from nasty aspects of the world on an erotic story site myself. I can be adult enough just to click out of something when it goes beyond my pale--without having the vapors. I feel the same way about defensive notes on top of a story. When I point out that it comes too late as a warning, I'm just giving a nod to those who feel they have to be warned. Because it does come too late to be used as a warning device. (Yes, those prone to the vapors could just take the responsibility to check the tags before reading, but they don't. They want to be individually spoon fed.)

 

[soflabbwlvr]

The tags were originally placed more prominently. We moved them because we received dozens of complaints from authors who felt the tags were "spoilers" which ruined/revealed plot points.

I avoid that problem by not giving away plot points in the tags.

 

[walkerlong]

I avoid that problem by not giving away plot points in the tags.

Yeah, maybe "MainCharacterDiesAtTheEnd" isn't the best tag to put on a story.

 

[sr71plt]

Unfortunately, neither is "thewomanisn'tfemale" tag.

 

[SecondCircle]

Takes tha element of surprise and shock right out doesn't it?

 

[Hypoxia]

If I include 'gastropods' and 'hermaphrodites' as tags, have I spoiled the ending?

 

[SecondCircle]

No only their existence in the story. Sometimes it's hard to set that up as a surprise if it's clearly there in your tags.

Alas, it can't be helped.

 

[walkerlong]

Unfortunately, neither is "thewomanisn'tfemale" tag.

That's a tough one because tags are most useful for helping readers find stories and some readers are specifically looking for women who aren't female.

So it's ok to have tags less visible on individual stories. But they could be more visible on the story page. On par with categories perhaps.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

I agree. It's my personal belief that LW was never intended to be a repository for hate filled BTB and other revenge type stories. The focus was intended to be on themes like swinging and the hot wife lifestyle. The current description places emphasis on these ideals--nowhere does it mention revenge or retribution. As I recall, the previous description wasn't all that different from the current description.

I feel like an idjit, but BTB? What is that? I'm getting that it's the violent rapey revenge stories, but what does it stand for?

LW: it's like Game of Thrones, only slightly less sexual and everyone is fighting with just one hand.

Hehe, lol.

No only their existence in the story. Sometimes it's hard to set that up as a surprise if it's clearly there in your tags.

Alas, it can't be helped.

I know lots of my tags that might have been spoilers if put at the forefront. Even if it's something as small as 'threesome' when before there was a monogamous couple.

Or in one of my tags 'interracial' before anybody had met the new character.

 

[soflabbwlvr]

I feel like an idjit, but BTB? What is that? I'm getting that it's the violent rapey revenge stories, but what does it stand for?

Burn the bitch

 

[BTTap]

As I said in my PM to you - your stories and the other author's stories receive thousands of high votes, positive comments, and emails praising your writing/storytelling ability - yet instead of spending time thanking those who have put out the effort to tell you how much they enjoy your work, you spend a lot of time fixated on a single troll.

-Laurel's quote, and I agree in principal with it.
But, she is interfering with those thousands of DeYaKen's fans when she moves one of his stories (or one of HDK's or Slirpuff's, etc.), a story that has historically been accepted as a legitimate variation of a LW story, and puts it, for no logical reason that I can deduce, into a completely inappropriate category like EC.......
So, who is serving the fans?

 

[Cruel2BKind]

As I said in my PM to you - your stories and the other author's stories receive thousands of high votes, positive comments, and emails praising your writing/storytelling ability - yet instead of spending time thanking those who have put out the effort to tell you how much they enjoy your work, you spend a lot of time fixated on a single troll.

-Laurel's quote, and I agree in principal with it.
But, she is interfering with those thousands of DeYaKen's fans when she moves one of his stories (or one of HDK's or Slirpuff's, etc.), a story that has historically been accepted as a legitimate variation of a LW story, and puts it, for no logical reason that I can deduce, into a completely inappropriate category like EC.......
So, who is serving the fans?

You may not be able to tell,

But that post is about as close as she gets to showing anger.

Y'know, one of the two-person team that MADE THE ENTIRE FUCKING SITE.

You're being sarcastic to kitty mama, and she co-wrote Literotica...

So who is servicing the fans?

 

[Jounar]

I feel like an idjit, but BTB? What is that? I'm getting that it's the violent rapey revenge stories, but what does it stand for?



Hehe, lol.



I know lots of my tags that might have been spoilers if put at the forefront. Even if it's something as small as 'threesome' when before there was a monogamous couple.

Or in one of my tags 'interracial' before anybody had met the new character.

For the most part, most BTB stories just involve the cheating spouse getting dumped and the innocent party moving on, finding someone else and having a much better life. I reckon it's less than 1% of stories that have the cheating spouse killed off.

Check out "how are you" or "the cost" for some of the best examples of literature posted on this site.

 

[BTTap]

You may not be able to tell,

But that post is about as close as she gets to showing anger.

Y'know, one of the two-person team that MADE THE ENTIRE FUCKING SITE.

You're being sarcastic to kitty mama, and she co-wrote Literotica...

So who is servicing the fans?

Cheers and hails to "kitty mama," as I have enjoyed the site very much over the last dozen or so years. That said, I would hope (and based upon her contribution to this string, I would expect) that she welcomes constructive criticism; particularly when it goes to the experience of loyal readers and prolific contributors to the site. And, if not, then I guess I'm tilting at windmills. If my tone is mildly acidic, chalk it up to me being an asshole, but my point still stands.

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Cheers and hails to "kitty mama," as I have enjoyed the site very much over the last dozen or so years. That said, I would hope (and based upon her contribution to this string, I would expect) that she welcomes constructive criticism; particularly when it goes to the experience of loyal readers and prolific contributors to the site. And, if not, then I guess I'm tilting at windmills. If my tone is mildly acidic, chalk it up to me being an asshole, but my point still stands.

Uh, sorry.

I just get a little bent out of shape.

 

[BTTap]

Uh, sorry.

I just get a little bent out of shape.

No worries. I love the passion. Take care.

 

[Harry Leg]

Uh, sorry.

I just get a little bent out of shape.

Some might consider that a talent

 

[Cruel2BKind]

Some might consider that a talent

Haven't seen you in a while, Leg.



How's life?

 

[loquere]

Very recently, I've seen a number of stories initially submitted under Loving Wives moved, against the author's wishes, to other categories; most frequently Erotic Couplings. This has happened to Britease and Slirpuff, two very prolific dramatic LW authors.
The question is why? The re-categorized stories are not erotic as such, but revolve around cheating wives, etc. They may not fit into the erotic LW mold, but they are even worse fits for EC.....
I don't get it. Therefore, it's stupid.
My two cents.

Please post the stories.

 

[BTTap]

2 recent:
http://www.literotica.com/s/one-hell-of-a-night
http://www.literotica.com/s/we-need-to-talk-mike