When Real Life Expectation Cannot Meet the Dreams of the Altruists

[Chobham]

It IS annoying that the government wastes so much money on car infrastructure. Suburbs couldn’t exist without massive government subsidies.

What subsidies?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

What subsidies?

Paved streets and highways. The gas tax doesn’t cover the cost of building and maintaining suburban roads.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Those goals will never be met within the time frame allotted.

Context: Ishmael Von Chobham once laughed at JFK's proclamation that the USA would put a man on the moon in 10 years.

Haw comma haw comma haw.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Prove that I once ever, ANYWHERE denied the election results.

Next you'll be claiming I am MAGA!

You are a great liar.

I have never claimed you were MAGA. They are much too "soft" for an ardent True Believer glibertarian such as yourself.

 

[Chobham]

Paved streets and highways. The gas tax doesn’t cover the cost of building and maintaining suburban roads.

Where in the world were you educated?

All of those streets, the sewers, water, electricity, and/or gas was paid for by the land developer out of the monies collected from the sales to the individual parcel purchasers. The government didn't pay for a single fucking thing.

EVERYTHING that the government aledgedly has built was bought and paid for by the taxpayer. When Sen Pocahontas says. "You didn't build that." she's lying through her rotten mouth. I did, so did my fore-bearer's, and my children and theirs will be paying for it all. We built EVERYTHING the government tries to take credit for.

The government has no money, zero, nada, zilch. What monies they have, they have via taxation or borrowing.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Where in the world were you educated?

All of those streets, the sewers, water, electricity, and/or gas was paid for by the land developer out of the monies collected from the sales to the individual parcel purchasers. The government didn't pay for a single fucking thing.

EVERYTHING that the government aledgedly has built was bought and paid for by the taxpayer. When Sen Pocahontas says. "You didn't build that." she's lying through her rotten mouth. I did, so did my fore-bearer's, and my children and theirs will be paying for it all. We built EVERYTHING the government tries to take credit for.

The government has no money, zero, nada, zilch. What monies they have, they have via taxation or borrowing.

The original cost of building suburban roads may have been borne by the developers. But the government pays to maintain them now. I don’t like my taxes supporting the wasteful lifestyles of suburbanites.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

*chuckle*

I love being a lightening rod.

You're probably more a peel than a rod.

now that's efficacious!

 

[Chobham]

The original cost of building suburban roads may have been borne by the developers. But the government pays to maintain them now. I don’t like my taxes supporting the wasteful lifestyles of suburbanites.

Then leave the country. I recommend Venezuela for you consideration.

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Then leave the country. I recommend Venezuela for you consideration.

I'd rather lobby the government to prioritize mass transit and walkability over road maintenance and highway expansion. Los Angeles was a train city before it was a car city and it can easily make the transition back.

 

[Rightguide]

Those goals will never be met within the time frame allotted.

They will most likely end on election day 2024.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

Then leave the country. I recommend Venezuela for you consideration.

Subsidies for me, but not for thee. And if you don't like it then fuck off to another country.

Classic Assmeal mean-spirited hypocrisy.

 

[HisArpy]

I'd rather lobby the government to prioritize mass transit and walkability over road maintenance and highway expansion. Los Angeles was a train city before it was a car city and it can easily make the transition back.

I have seen pictures of LA in its early days as a city. Few of them have mass transport in them. Almost none have any trains in them.

Notably, there are LOTS AND LOTS of horses/buggies and cars/trucks. Almost no trains.

So, what reality are you living in where you can believe that LA is/was "a train city" given that it never was?

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

I have seen pictures of LA in its early days as a city. Few of them have mass transport in them. Almost none have any trains in them.

Notably, there are LOTS AND LOTS of horses/buggies and cars/trucks. Almost no trains.

So, what reality are you living in where you can believe that LA is/was "a train city" given that it never was?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Electric

System map of the red car network in 1920:

 

[phrodeau]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Electric

System map of the red car network in 1920:

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That doesn’t change the fact that there are no trains in HisArpy’s collection of Los Angeles daguerreotypes.

 

[John_von_Neumann]

That doesn’t change the fact that there are no trains in HisArpy’s collection of Los Angeles daguerreotypes.

I'd be surprised if HisArpy knew what a daguerreotype is without consulting a dictionary or encyclopedia.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Interestingly, Los Angeles is "ahead of the curve" with it's fifth-generation bus system (gas, diesel, LNG, early battery, now state of the art electrical). They've converted almost 100% of their bus fleet and now working on changing all school busses to EV too. They are quieter and can travel great distances between charges. all of this since 2020. Federal subsidies have lots of California governments lining up to purchase EV busses. Half the EV busses in Murica are manufactured in Modesto California. Zero carbon emission....Looks like California is making great strides towards zero carbon goals (to the dismay of HisArpy, Cobham and the rest of the "Drill Babby Drill" Luddites).

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

Interestingly, Los Angeles is "ahead of the curve" with it's fifth-generation bus system (gas, diesel, LNG, early battery, now state of the art electrical). They've converted almost 100% of their bus fleet and now working on changing all school busses to EV too. They are quieter and can travel great distances between charges. all of this since 2020. Federal subsidies have lots of California governments lining up to purchase EV busses. Half the EV busses in Murica are manufactured in Modesto California. Zero carbon emission....Looks like California is making great strides towards zero carbon goals (to the dismay of HisArpy, Cobham and the rest of the "Drill Babby Drill" Luddites).

Since I could go forever about L.A. transit: Metro is also making great strides with rail. A lot of the old Red Car right-of-ways still exist and are beginning to be reopened with new trains. They just finished the new Regional Connector so you can travel all the way from Santa Monica to east L.A without changing trains. The new Crenshaw Line will soon connect to LAX, and they've started construction on the west side subway stations for the Purple Line.

The big missing piece is a line through the Sepulveda Pass to take the load off the badly congested 405. Fortunately it looks like the monorail has been rejected, and the Sepulveda Line will be high-capacity heavy rail.

 

[Chobham]

I'd rather lobby the government to prioritize mass transit and walkability over road maintenance and highway expansion. Los Angeles was a train city before it was a car city and it can easily make the transition back.

Lobby your local government all you want.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

I'd rather lobby the government to prioritize mass transit and walkability over road maintenance and highway expansion. Los Angeles was a train city before it was a car city and it can easily make the transition back.

You might want to study the current state of high-speed rail in California.

Tracks to nowhere always in search of more money AND NO ONE IS EVER REALLY GOING TO RIDE THEM!

You do realize that it's too expensive to condemn the land, pay for it, if you can get it and then comply with all of the government required studies and paperwork and red tape? You can't build anything anymore because just building mass transit is anathema to the green movement who believes that everything that involves construction is a clear and present danger to the EARTH and they seriously have the ears and attention of the ABC bureaucracies in DC, hell, they staff a lot of them. That's who's your enemy when it comes to mass transit and you don't have a lobby as loud, efficacious and powerful as theirs is. They get a lot of Big Corporate money.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

Oh, good. The grammar Nazis. Always entertaining. Too bad they can't put all of that brainpower into making a meaningful contribution to the thread, then again, FroDOH! especially is just not up to the standard of "brain power." He's a net brain drain...

Izzy clearly has no original thoughts of his own.

 

[VinnyVeritas]

PS – Blame Eisenhower for the death of mass transit by train...


(Not to mention the traditional Main Street, down towns and small towns.)

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I mentioned that my house Back East lost its bus stop. There's nothing to lobby. The bus system is heavily subsidized and it really doesn't go anywhere that I go, so it's purt'nur useless. And this in a city with one of the first streetcar systems. Of course, that shit has been buried under layers of asphalt for decades.


Out West, the pasture horse Social Justice Poodle bellows his fool head off when the Amish carriage goes by, much in the manner of Moses hollering, "let my people go!" So we build hot rods and install loud exhaust and downshift when we pass Priuseseses so they can hear us hurt the environment.


Social Justice Pasture Poodle approves . . . .

 

[BrightShinyGirl]

You might want to study the current state of high-speed rail in California.

Tracks to nowhere always in search of more money AND NO ONE IS EVER REALLY GOING TO RIDE THEM!

You do realize that it's too expensive to condemn the land, pay for it, if you can get it and then comply with all of the government required studies and paperwork and red tape? You can't build anything anymore because just building mass transit is anathema to the green movement who believes that everything that involves construction is a clear and present danger to the EARTH and they seriously have the ears and attention of the ABC bureaucracies in DC, hell, they staff a lot of them. That's who's your enemy when it comes to mass transit and you don't have a lobby as loud, efficacious and powerful as theirs is. They get a lot of Big Corporate money.

Yes the car lobby is very powerful and vocal about trying to kill high-speed rail. Elon Musk’s Hyperloop announcement years ago was an attempt to derail the construction of HSR. Nevertheless, the construction of the route through the Central Valley has been going forward. Sometimes the good guys win.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Oh, good. The grammar Nazis. Always entertaining. Too bad they can't put all of that brainpower into making a meaningful contribution to the thread, then again, FroDOH! especially is just not up to the standard of "brain power." He's a net brain drain...

Izzy clearly has no original thoughts of his own.

Tell us again of your multiple degrees and speaking of multiplication, explain to the class one more time how "one times anything equals one".

Sensei ShitForBrains.

 

[DeluxAuto]

*chuckle*

I love being a lightening rod. It tells me that I am efficacious.

(I'm sorry that you two will have to get out your online dictionaries for that one.)

You're probably more a peel than a rod.
now that's efficacious!

He tried.