Why is rape frowned upon?

why is rape frowned upon?

what the fuck???????????????????????????????

what sort of question is that?????????:confused:

jeez, that's REALLY worrying.
 
Yep

Very worrying indeed, I've written rape fantasy, mildish stuff, but I seem to have some idea why real rape is frowned on, and I'm not a supporter of such acts in reality, female or male victim.



pops..............

:rolleyes:
 
Rape isn't as clearly defined as "if it's violent, she wants it" and "if she orgasms, it isn't."

I wish it were that easy. It's the absolute violation of trust and boundaries that screws up survivors (me included) in subsequent relationships.

Personally and anecdotally - when women fantasize about reluctant sex, it's a rebellion against social pressures to be pure and innocent. In my particular case, it's also a wish to take control of a moment that's long since past. In other words, if I'm enjoying it, then I know it's going to be ok in the end.

I'm going to continue to enjoy reluctant sex stories. But the guy who tries it in real life (without having the benefit of reading my own stories - not posted on literotica) is in serious trouble.

And if none of this makes sense... I blame the few glasses of claret that accompanied this post.
 
I hope this sums up what everyone is saying:

Traditionally, the role of the male in reproduction is to spread his seed as far and wide as possible. The male is also the aggressor. This implies the male is programmed for rape. He is not. This scenario ignores the female contribution. Female must be selective in choosing a mate. Males require only a visual confirmation of health (good looks). Females require a protector (they are more vulnerable while pregnant), and a provider. To prove himself to the female, a male must go through an elaborate series of tests (the courtship process). All of this is instinct built into us from a quarter million years of evolution from our days living in caves. In short, the role of the male was mass production, and the role of the female was quality control.

A male will rape for a variety of reasons, including a lack of empathy for the victim (dehumanization), an enjoyment of violence itself (overdeveloped aggression), and feelings of inadequacy which produces a desire for control (proof of one's own right to reproduce). Whatever the reason, rape is an act of violence and control. It is not sex.

A rape fantasy, on the other hand, is the isolation of select aspects of sexuality. The desire for rough sex and the desire for control need not lead to rape itself, though most rapist do begin with fatasizing. If the male fantasizing the rape scenario understands reality and the consequences of the genuine act, the result is a disturbing if ultimately inoffensive act. The rape scenario here is one of laziness, ultimately. The fantasy bypasses the courtship process and produces a false sense of virility.

True victims of rape suffer physical and emotional abuse, humiliation, and a loss of control. There can never be sympathy for any person who rapes anyone of any age for any reason.

So, why do some women fantasize about being raped? Imagine this situation: a woman dresses in sexy lingerie and waits for her boyfriend/fiance/husband to get home. When he sees her, he grabs her, throws her to the floor and uses her. They engage in rough sex. What does this do for the woman? It confirms her desireability. (I believe this was describe at greater length earlier) The rape fantasy offsets feelings of inadequacy, reafirms desirability, and, ultimately, is an act of laziness. The female does not need to go through the lengthy selection process. And, the person engaging in the fantasy is safe and in control. The emotions are no more unusual than the vicarious fear from a horror movie.

Why is rape frowned upon?
It is cruel, violent and dehumanizing.

Why is rape fantasy frowned upon?
If it does not affect you socially, the stigma is almost entirely cultural.
 
Rape is wrong. Period. Non Concentual Sex, whcich seems to be a trademark at other sites, seems to Equate to the same thing, however, I can recall a time when Stories where available, about apprehension between the two sexes.

this Apprehension, may have been due to Sexual apprehension, but still one asked for the situation. Any time the word NO , is said, It should be obeyed.

Rape is a very poor excuse for a story, and If you personaly feel the need to rape, then you need to get yourself a women of the street, And pay her to remove your urges. And Don't harm her.
 
AnalSteve said:
Why?

Cause its rape.

Try receiving it some time, if you like it, it means it wasn't rape.

I can't agree with this. I think it would be entirely possilbe to to "like it" at some point. That doesn't invalidate that the rape was wrong. You simply do not have the right to force yourself on somebody without there concent, weather they like it in the end or not. Most rape is not stranger rape, but aquantance or date-rape. Rape is wrong because all individuals have rights, even physically smaller or weaker ones. Enjoyment is not the determining factor- consent is. Sorry if this is rambling. (Its 3am)
 
There are so many myths about rape. Things are just repeated and believed and passed around. I want to pull my hair out everytime I hear "rape is not about sex." Yes, rape is about power and violence, but how can you say its not about sex? Its about sexual power, sexual violence, sexual angers or inadiquacy. At the very least its about sex as gender (wanting to hurt a man or a woman right at the core of there manhood or womanhood) But lets be real, if it weren't about sex, then it wouldn't involve sex- there are plenty of other ways to be violent. If we ever hope to solve the problem of rape in any real way, we have got to stop lying to ourselves that it is not about sex. I know that you are all well meaning when you say that and it is what you have been taught, but it just doesn't make sence. Its about sex, and its very rapped up in our beliefs about sex, its denial, its power, its sinfulness or specialness. why would many woman rather be killed than raped? why does the victim bear the shame? why is the finger pointed at the victim so often? This says a lot about societies views on gender and sex.

ONe person said that rape has existed forever and always been considered wrong. ALMost... It hasn't always been considered rape for a man to force his wife. In many places even today a man can rape a woman and she will be blamed for seducing or provoking him in some way- and her society will accept this. In the olden days rape was wrong if you did it too a maried woman because she was someone elses property. (You didn't wrong the woman, you wronged her husband.) In biblical times, a man who raped a woman was expected to marry her! Rape continues because we continue to blame the woman for a man's behavior, and because unhealthy ideas that woman are here for men to do what they please with. What gives a man permission in his own mind to rape another human being? He must think that she is less than human, inconsequential or less important than his own gratification, other wise he would not be able to commit the act. (Same goes for female attackers) Or he feels threatened in some way that he feels can be overcome or equalized by an unwanted sexual act.

We have come far by acnowleging that rape is wrong and that it takes many forms. Now we must continue to advance by rooting out its causes rather than denying them. Rape can be the use of sex as a weapon, and by that standard it is certainly about sex.

I am convinced that many rapes occure simply because the man feels *entitled* weather she says no or not, and that the men do not view themselves as rapists or attackers nor do they necessarily harbor any anger toward there victims. Often from there point of view they have done nothing wrong- simply what they may have done in any other situation- taken what they wanted.

The problems are:

Perceptions of woman (objects, property...)
Perceptions of manhood (verility, mysogyny, homophobia...)
Perceptions of blame
Expectation of the victims guilt to keep him/ her silenced
Perception/ expectation of little or no consequence
(even if she does speek up, who will believe her?)


AS long as woman are viewed as less than men and something to be feared and controlled, and as long as sex is viewed as something men take from women, sex and violence will remain intertwined.
 
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just to throw that in:

A few weeks ago, a woman wrote a book, about what happened to her, right at the end of the 2nd World War. Some parts of the book where published in a daily newspaper:
She was living in Berlin, and when the russian Army invaded Berlin, many women got raped by russian soldiers.
They were hiding in a cellar, but the enemy soldiers found them. At first they took her mother and raped her in a room above the cellar. Then, they came back and got the woman herself. Back then she was 15 ....

After that, many other woman wrote letters to the newspapers, about similar incidents.

One woman for example wrote: She was in barn, together with some other people. Back then, the woman was about 12. When the russian army came, she was hidding under lots of hay - so no one saw her. However, some other woman hadn't that much luck. There where 2 woman, together with their daughters: One daughter was 14, the other one was 17. This 4 woman where raped by 46 soldiers, all night long, until the break of dawn.

And, a current incident: Just last week, the police reported that they are searching for a 16 year old girl. 1 or 2 days later, they found her - or to be more exact: they found her dead body. The girl was raped and afterwards brutally slain ... the police is sure that the girl tried to defend herself.

So I guess, rape ain't funny for the victim, right ? (that was sarcasm)

Personally, I think that rape is one of the worst crimes, even worse then murder.
I mean if a woman is dead, she feels no more pain. But if a woman is raped, her body and her mind is broken. The wounds of the body will heal - but the wounds of the soul will never heal ....
 
Okay before we hang the writer of this thread out to dry, let me pose a case scenario: Lets say a attractive lady decides to let her husband (or significant other) wear some kind of a hood and have sex with her, lets say she is at a party in costume and so on, u get the gist of it. Anyway, she is thrashing about, squealing thoroughly enjoying it and has had a couple of orgasms already when the man takes off the mask ........ and it is not her husband. By law, she has been raped but she had thoroughly enjoyed it? So here is the dilemma that occurs I suppose. Anyway, I absolutely abhor rapists and so many times, it is not about sex at all but issues of control and degrading a woman (or all women for serial rapists). So before you get out there and start raping people because "it is not wrong" remember this: rapists are considered to be the worst people in a prison housing even murderers and you WILL be dealt the same thing that you dished out to the women.
 
Just an opinion

Rape has nothing at all to do with sex. There is nothing erotic about it. There is nothing nice about it.

Rape is all about POWER over another human being. It's about taking advantage. It's about brutality and terrorism.

There is a huge difference between RAPE and role playing. Rape fantacy works for me and many women. Non-Consentual Sex doesn't do a thing for me at all.

If the person who started this thread cannot understand that, I'd gladly tie him up and stuff the biggest dildo I can find up his ass then ask him if he's having fun yet.

Geez...
 
hiya again

i see a few people seem to confuse rape / forced fantasy role playing with the real thing.

i don't really know what was in this thread starters mind, is this a bit of a careless wording by someone, or does the jerk mean it, "Why is rape frowned on"??????????

forced fantasy and role playing is fun as long as it doesn't get out of hand, and as long as stories about suchlike are clearly labelled as such and written in a way that it eventually becomes obvious, 'they are playing'.

i quite enjoy a bit of forced fantasy and mock rape play in the flesh as it were, heck of a turn on sometimes, but i know i may be feeding someones twisted urges to go further, so i do sometimes worry that i may be guilty of encouraging real rape one day.

real rape is shit, it's not fun, no girl, or guy ever had an orgasm being real raped, i've been there i know before anybody tries to tell me differently.

Rape is frowned on, and so it should remain frowned on, i have no objection with polite society frowning on our brand of fantasy rape either, just becuase we horny fuckers like it a bit rough sometimes doesn't mean everyone must agree with us and approve.

oh and if you need a hand tying the sick fuck-wit up or holding him dowm jenny_s while you ram his ass with a dildo, i'm free this week, giggle.

ps; if you haven't got a big enough toy, i have a lovely collection at home, giggle again.
 
So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

I went out with a woman that had been molested as a child and raped several times as a teenager. Even though the actual events happened years before, she was very screwed up psychologically. It made me sick to see how it affected her all those years (10 years) later.

She had very little memory of her childhood, good or bad, because she had blocked so much of it out, due to a defense mechanism her mind created to help her deal with it. She relived some of the rapes that happened as a teenager, on an almost daily basis.

she had crushing low self asteem, that caused her so many problems throughout her life. She really didn't care what happened to her, she had no self love.

I went out with her for 4 years and my heart was torn out on a regular basis, just seeing the lasting and obvious effects those assholes inflicted upon her, she didn't deserve that, no one does. I tried to help her as best I could, but I really think that the scars run way too deep.

She is married now, with three kids and I hope and pray that she has finally found some kind of peice of mind. But, I suspect that there will always be some kind of serious symptoms that will plague her for the rest of her life. If you've never seen someone that you love go through the kind of Hell that I saw her go through, then I guess you can't truly understand how damaging rape is to someone's soul.

I guess it's all right to fantasize about rape, although I find it very, very disturbing, but I hope that it stays just that, a fantasy. If someone is considering purpetrating an actual rape, PLEASE stop and think about how you would feel if it happened to your sister or daughter, or mother, or wife or friend. If that thought doesn't make you stop, then you are a true psychopath and should be locked up or put to death.

I sometimes wonder if rape is a fate worse than death.
 
What makes me sick about some rape stories is:

Many of them are totally unrealistic and sick.

I mean, for example: I once read a story (not on Lit). A 14 year old girl (yeah, I know, underaged) was butt-raped by 3 guys with very big dicks. All the time, her family was forced to watch. After that, the father was forced to buttfuck his daughter, and the son was forced to fuck his mother.
Finally, the 3 guys left. But then, the family was so horny, that they did a family gang bang. The daughter begged her father to buttfuck her - and he did.

See what I mean ? This girl was buttraped by 3 guys with huge dicks. You would expect that her soul is dead, and that her butthole must hurt like hell - but she doesn't cry, she becomes so horny that she begs for more ....

Or: a female prison ward is taken as a hostage by a prisoner . He brutally rapes her for many hours. In the end, the prisoner is caught and sentenced to death. When he sits on the chair, the victim starts to cry, because she feels sad for him ....


So, how realistic is that ? A woman is raped and after that, she enjoyed it ?
That is so sick and unrealistic.
 
VGSS said:
I'm male, so I admit this opionion might be a little skewed.

When I first started writing fanfiction, it was all lovey-dovey. "do take couple from story, mate couple, lather, rinse, repeat"

Then a fan of my work asked me to do a blatantly non-consentual piece. I'd done relucatant before, but this would be the first rape work I'd done. Figured it would be something different, so I did it, although I had to add a reluctance twist at the end.

So, I ask. Why is rape seen in such a harsh light? It's sex between two people, which both parties *should* orgasm from. I mean, everyone has dreams of sex with strangers that they enjoy. Why does spontaneous sex have to be such a bad thing? Why is this any different?

:mad:

Are you out of your fucking mind?We must define rape very differently. I have never been anything but "shy" of sex due to first time intercourse as kidnap/rape victim at 15. I am forty years old and at times in my life I can still receive a certain "touch" or "vibe" from my husband of 18 years; and still have a flash back. That's rape.

I'm recently finding myself wanting attention all the time in every way from men, and enjoy initiating good sex with hubby. I am horny all the time, and can't reconcile my hormones and my mind. I too had fantasies about sex with a total stranger. Went out one night and got me one, partied and fucked all night. Fantasy solved. Refused to ask him his name. That's consentual sex!



FUNNYWORLD INDEED
 
Lighten UP..........Jeeeeeeez......A fantasy is NOT reality. If a woman really wanted to be raped it wouldn't be rape, now would it? I have rape fantasies and so do a lot of my friends. In no way does that mean we want to be raped in real life.
Why jump all over that poor guy who started this? I'm as anti-rape and as feminist as the next person but we're talking f a n t a s y here....a story, make-believe. GRrrrrrr :D
 
NASCARaddicted said:
What makes me sick about some rape stories is:

Many of them are totally unrealistic and sick.

I just wanted to really agree with this. I mean seriously, the majority of the catagory is extreamly unrealistic. My thought is it would be better for realism instead of some saccarin, watered down woo-hoo she really liked it version. Realism can at least have literary Merit.

Alex756

And no I am not saying 'Rape Good' I am saying this false treatment is just weird. If you write stories of people having rape fantasy then that isn't rape. it's a fantasy. To write rape and say well see it's unbelievable and every one liked it, thats just ... I don't know... but that that makes it 'fantasy' I don't see.
 
shytilwet23 said:
Lighten UP..........Jeeeeeeez......A fantasy is NOT reality. If a woman really wanted to be raped it wouldn't be rape, now would it? I have rape fantasies and so do a lot of my friends. In no way does that mean we want to be raped in real life.
Why jump all over that poor guy who started this? I'm as anti-rape and as feminist as the next person but we're talking f a n t a s y here....a story, make-believe. GRrrrrrr :D


You know what? I'll lighten up when I'm sure that people can tell the difference. One asshole running around thinking you can make the woman enjoy the rape if you're good enough, is one too many for me.
 
fnnyworld said:
You know what? I'll lighten up when I'm sure that people can tell the difference. One asshole running around thinking you can make the woman enjoy the rape if you're good enough, is one too many for me.

Yeah, that is exactly what I meant.

Just look at this: Over here in Germany, in the 80s, there was this tv series about a hospital (called "Schwarzwaldklinik"). In this hospital, there was this one doctor, called "Dr. Brinkmann".
Now, even nowadays, some people in any hospital insist that they only wanted to be examined by Dr. Brinkmann.

You see ? This people didn't realize that this doctor was a fictional character.

And now think: Someone (with a low IQ ?) thinks: If I bring a woman to an orgasm, she will enjoy it, so she will not cry "rape" ....
 
Short and sweet

I am a pacifist and not a violent man by nature. However, if I ever had a friend who was raped and knew their attacker, their balls would be hanging in the breeze by the morning.

Rape is violence to the soul and the body - and it's a violence that keeps affecting one long after the actual event. I spit on anyone who considers it.
 
Re: hiya again

LorriLove said:
no girl, or guy ever had an orgasm being real raped, i've been there i know before anybody tries to tell me differently.


You are doing a huge disservice to rape victims by making statements like this.

People do orgasm from rape, but it is purely a PHYSIOLOGICAL response. However, attackers use this to shame the victims into silence, especially when the victim is male.

"It is not uncommon for a male rape victim to blame himself for the rape, believing that he in some way gave permission to the rapist (Brochman, 1991). Male rape victims suffer a similar fear that female rape victims face -- that people will believe the myth that they may have enjoyed being raped. Some men may believe they were not raped or that they gave consent because they became sexually aroused, had an erection, or ejaculated during the sexual assault. These are normal, involuntary physiological reactions. It does not mean that the victim wanted to be raped or sexually assaulted, or that the survivor enjoyed the traumatic experience. Sexual arousal does not necessarily mean there was consent."

(Taken from: http://www.ncvc.org/gethelp/malerape )

Please take the time to educate yourself before you make such damaging statements.
 
Re: Short and sweet

BlueElf said:
I am a pacifist and not a violent man by nature. However, if I ever had a friend who was raped and knew their attacker, their balls would be hanging in the breeze by the morning.


I'm far from a pacifist and I can honestly say that any rapist who I find better hope the police catch him before I do. Some things are better left to the old ways in my belief.
 
billwindows said:
...So before you get out there and start raping people because "it is not wrong" remember this: rapists are considered to be the worst people in a prison housing even murderers and you WILL be dealt the same thing that you dished out to the women....

OK, let's not all go and kill SK, because he invents and write about serial killers. Worst than rapist? Yes. Rape is an act of violence.

So what if a writer wants to write about rape. Do you think that it will prevent one woman from being raped by not writting it? Nope.

Wake the fuck up! Nothing here is that fucking good. A rapist is a rapist is a rapist. They won't be created nor destoryed here.

What I'm hearing is sensorship.
 
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