Why so many Anti-American?

[cantdog]

No, you wouldn't believe how pro-smoking I seem to be right now.

Making my tongue hang out, I want smoke so bad.

Besudes, if a spy is someone who sees things and then tells other people about the things he sees, for money...?

Well, most of the time I go to tell folks for free, but they don't care. Maybe if I charged them money, then they'd listen!

 

[Colleen Thomas]

No, you wouldn't believe how pro-smoking I seem to be right now.

Making my tongue hang out, I want smoke so bad.

Besudes, if a spy is someone who sees things and then tells other people about the things he sees, for money...?

Well, most of the time I go to tell folks for free, but they don't care. Maybe if I charged them money, then they'd listen!

The cravings get less after a while hun, hang in there!

 

[cantdog]

They fuckin better! This sucks.

Thanks, Colly

 

[Colleen Thomas]

They fuckin better! This sucks.

Thanks, Colly

After a week or two, if you fall off the wagon, they won't even taste good hun. I'm 100% behind you.

*HUGS*

 

[cantdog]

I love the friends I have here.

 

[Kassiana]

Just as you’re sick and tired of people being anti-American, I’m sick and tired of being lablled anti-American every time I criticize a government policy or institution, as if “America” is synonymous with the US government.

What he said. A local business had a sign up for a while, "Protesters are worse than Saddam." Like disagreeing with my government makes me a tyrannical baby-killing murderer!

As for why people have issues with America:
El Salvador (prop up the regime, even when they kill innocent nuns)
Limited intervention (don't go in and help the East Timorese or the people in Rwanda, or even those being enslaved in the de Beers diamond mines...only "help" those who have resources we want to exploit)
Quashing of legitimate disagreement (I'm sorry, it makes you look stupid when you can't answer others' arguments with anything but "Disagreeing with me makes you un-American)
Pretending to support our soldiers while cutting their benefits and sending them overseas without body armor (affects numerous people I know and love, is hypocritical, and causes more unnecessary casualties among our own people)

I could go on and on. I was born here. I like some of the ideals we have. Unfortunately, our government isn't living up to them. When it isn't, I'll call them on it, even if fifty billion people like you say I'm being "anti-American."

I'm not being anti-American to insist that if you're going to send thousands upon thousands of our people to another country where they hate us and will try to kill as many of us as possible, you should at least make it so the soldiers have protection and their families don't have to pay Halliburton for their food! If that's "anti-American," I respectfully submit that you don't know what America is.

 

[Evil Alpaca]

Normally, I try and stay clear of the more serious threads, but I felt the odd need to weigh in here.

I'm not a mindless patriot (I think) regarding American policies. I told several friends that one of the reasons I voted in this last election was to reserve the right to bitch endlessly about the outcome and its results for the next four years. I know how it suprises you all that I look forward to being cranky.

I have no personal beef with people form other nations criticizing our policies. The United States is a world power so, for better or for worse, affects happenings on the world stage. My only issue is when people take the moral highground without looking at their own nations' histories a little bit first. I've spoken with "intellectuals" from other nations who I'm pretty sure got graduate degrees in "Why we hate America" at their local universities, where all they did was sit around, drinking lattes and nitpicking American history and policy to see where the holes were. And worse yet, they often take the stance that their own countrys' proverbial "shit" doesn't stink . . . only America could possibly have political skeletons in the closet that they don't want coming to light. One person claimed that both Australia and New Zealand had no real occurences of abuse of political power in their histories. While I've never taken a history course about either nation, the comment reeked of insincerity and denial. Another tried to claim that America really had no significant role in WWII, and that Europe really didn't need American intervention. That comment made my brain twitch. I have heard people on AH pretty much claim that the United States is on its way to the scrap heap already, an idea I respectfully disagree with.

I don't know who (if anyone) else on Lit feels this way and I certainly don't mean to put words in anyone's mouths, but it seems that America bashing has become . . . well, trendy. This is in no small part to America's rise in the media since 9/11, but that's the way I feel about it. America is imperfect . . . there, I said it. We've been responsible for some pretty horrible things in our short history as a nation. We've also been responsible for some pretty wonderful things, including some of the most dazzling scientific, medical, and industrial advancements in history. Nations, like races, evolve, and sometimes this evolution can lead to serious growing pains. In this case, those pains are affecting other nations. We started a controvertial and world-wide unpopular war. I find it strange that the United States is more demonized by the foreign press (as well as our own) than the mass murderer it removed from power. Regardless of the real reason for the war, I sometimes find this idea disquieting.

I have no ill will towards the Americans or the Lit'ers from other nations who have weighed in on these political issues. Most everyone has expressed their opinions in pretty clear and reasonable ways. There is a big difference between a critique of American policies and the bashing of America itself. It is this latter tendancy I have a beef with.

Anyway, I've been serious long enough. I'm going back to a silly thread now, then I'm going to watch American football.

 

[Lisa Denton]

I love the friends I have here.

Oh BTW Cant, I wanted to clear up that mispost earlier, I was tryin to tell Colly I think you are prolly delicious, it just came out wrong, he, he.

 

[oggbashan]

We Brits ain't perfect...

Apart from driving the American colonists to declare independence and revolt successfully, a generation later we burnt Washington just because we could.

Although we abolished slavery much earlier than the US, we fought a series of wars to force opium on the Chinese and then wrote books about how degraded the opium-smoking Chinese were.

In the US Native Americans were slaughtered. The same thing happened in Canada under the British flag, in Australia, in Africa and in New Zealand didn't happen so effectively because the Maoris fought back.

But some of us of differing political persuasions worry that the US Government has not learned from our history of empire, nor the history of the Roman empire, nor its own history. Winning friends among recent enemies is not easy and US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq seem counter-productive. We (US, UK and the other nations involved) have to work with the Iraqis, not against them. One stupid act can destroy weeks and months of careful progress and the terrorists know that. Every time we overreact to an attack we alienate the people we should be helping.

One of the benefits we are hoping to bring to Iraq is the freedom to criticise the government without dying for expressing that criticism. Critics should be answered, not shot. It isn't anti-American to criticise US government policy if the critic honestly believes that the criticism is justified. It is a different matter to criticise the armed forces for implementing that policy. The armed forces do not have the luxury of choice.

Og

 

[Lisa Denton]

Re: We Brits ain't perfect...

Apart from driving the American colonists to declare independence and revolt successfully, a generation later we burnt Washington just because we could.

Although we abolished slavery much earlier than the US, we fought a series of wars to force opium on the Chinese and then wrote books about how degraded the opium-smoking Chinese were.

In the US Native Americans were slaughtered. The same thing happened in Canada under the British flag, in Australia, in Africa and in New Zealand didn't happen so effectively because the Maoris fought back.

But some of us of differing political persuasions worry that the US Government has not learned from our history of empire, nor the history of the Roman empire, nor its own history. Winning friends among recent enemies is not easy and US actions in Afghanistan and Iraq seem counter-productive. We (US, UK and the other nations involved) have to work with the Iraqis, not against them. One stupid act can destroy weeks and months of careful progress and the terrorists know that. Every time we overreact to an attack we alienate the people we should be helping.

One of the benefits we are hoping to bring to Iraq is the freedom to criticise the government without dying for expressing that criticism. Critics should be answered, not shot. It isn't anti-American to criticise US government policy if the critic honestly believes that the criticism is justified. It is a different matter to criticise the armed forces for implementing that policy. The armed forces do not have the luxury of choice.

Og

Hi Og, while I would never dis-agree with you on communicating spider issues I must say I think you meant to say Iraq only and not include Afganistan in your post. The world agreed with action in Afganistan and while U.S. efforts to capture or kill the key player have been kinda keystone-coppish (pun) we did help to turn Afganistan into a free, thriving, opium producing country.

It is sad that people there don't grow more corn and wheat than opium but the U.N. can look towards a future where Afganistan people can choose to do what they want. Without U.N. or U.S. interference, they may actually become a stable country managing their own affairs one day.

The U.N. military action there, and of course U.N. military action always relies primarily upon U.S. lives and equipment, is mostly a policing action at this point in time.

While some U.S. action there is still independant of the U.N. role it is mostly to prevent a resurgence of terrorist activity, and eliminate terrorist activity, which was viewed by the world to be a threat not only to america but many other countries as well.

I have heard you saying that you agee with the need to help that country, and that what the U.N. did mostly with american lives was to aid that country, so I assume you just had a typo.

 

[oggbashan]

Lisa,

I included Afghanistan because US (and British and UN) actions in that country have not been wholly benign. In Afghanistan US actions when that country was a thorn in the USSR's side still have consequences today and affect how people across the region think of the US (and the UK as the US's allies).

People have long memories when it comes to hatred. It may take a generation or two before the peoples of Afghanistan can live in peace with each other and democracy takes root. The infrastructure of Afghanistan was destroyed with the Taleban and when, if ever, that country can have a functioning economy is anyone's guess.

There are several countries close to Afghanistan who have watched what happened there with disquiet. Some of them are torn between fundamentalist Islamic groups, pro-US, pro-Russian, tribal loyalties and simple greed. They don't necessarily see the UN, the US, the UK or any foreign power as their saviour but rather as a threat to their existing governmental structures.

The CIA is seen as a destablising force in the region and from the local perspective that may be true. In simplistic terms the locals see the US's interest as being solely concerned with maintaining cheap oil supplies.

I worry, not that the average US citizen doesn't understand how their government's actions are seen in the world, but that the US administration doesn't seem to understand either. That is dangerous to all of the western democracies and is a barrier to winning the war on terror. 'Terrorists' can only be defeated if their power base of hatred is destroyed. At present their power base seems to be enhanced by our actions.

Og

 

[SlickTony]

“My country right or wrong” might be a great sentiment to have in a dictatorship, but in my view it’s about as anti-American as you can get.

Either George Bernard Shaw--or George Orwell quoting Shaw--said that "My country, right or wrong" was on the same moral level as "My mother, drunk or sober."

 

[fifty5]

Okay, Maybe I've got this wrong. But I've seen more insults and stats posted against America and out culture here than I've ever seen anywhere else.

We're not perfect. We admit that. Our healthcare system needs revamping, we argue between ourselves about being republican, democrat or independent. We take insults from every country in the world it seems, but everyone ask also ask us for help. We pour billions into the world economy, we find new drugs and our patients pay more than most of the world for them. Shall I continue?

Everytime I turn around it seems someone is putting down America. I'm sorry but I served my country proudly. The same as any Britsh Lancer or French Legionairre. What makes you guys hate us so?

Our pharmacies develop meds and give them to you at a lower cost than we pay. Our farmers ship wheat across the world to help out. We pay the arabs for oil that is not even produced yet, we send our children off to fight for freedom and to die. Yet every time we turn around you put us down. Why?

The list can go on and on. But America and it's citizens doesn't deserve it anymore. If you don't like us then leave us alone. If you have a problem I'd suggest you do like the rest of us do and write our Senators and Representives. Just please, I'm tired of seeing the anti-american sentiment. Before you put us down work out your own affairs.

It's complicated LDW...

First, the US is so big and so varied. That means that what almost anyone wants to hate can be found in the US...

Next comes economic power. Sure that can be agregated to mean US economic power, but in most cases I've seen, the resentment is against the 'multi-national' companies, whose head office is in the US (where else would it be if they are that big?)

There're also people who go along with Sam Johnson's apparent meaning in, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" (though it seems that Sam himself meant it within a limited context). Another formulation is "My country, right or wrong." Either way, both the US and the UK have at one time or another acted in self-interest, while hypocritically doing the PR as for the benefit of others. Opium, oil, or slaves, a lack of frankness attracts contempt.

In contrast to patriotism, my experience is that individuals tend to be generous to individuals, rather than 'nations'.

Then there's the 'Universal Soldier' (Buffy Sainte-Marie) syndrome. That's akin to the cynical, "might is right" or "Learn a trade - See the world - Kill people!" To some folk, seeing one's career in a trade that is aimed at death and mutilation is wrong, even if the people who do that risk the same consequences for themselves.

And all of those come back to my first point: that the US is so big that it includes whatever one wants to hate...

Including hatred of those who want something different. The home of the intollerant Christian fundamentalist in the world of the 21st century appears to be the US...

"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" is a wonderful and laudable aim, but it sometimes looks as if there's an extra clause: "if you can afford it." And from outside, it can feel that the US can afford it, while much of the world can't - unless the US consents to lend it the money (at a favourable rate of interest).

Sorry, that last para reads more strongly than I actually wanted it to, but the essence remains true. It's simply the degree that's overstated.

To go from the sublime to the ridiculous, watch The West Wing. That show illustrates the conflict between idealism and pragmatism (read Politics) so well! Add the power of the US into that and it's going to require superhuman virtues of honesty, tolerance and simple kindness to avoid hatred from a large number of people. And a degree of disapproval from even more.

 

[SeaCat]

Lord D.,

I had promised myself earlier that I wouldn't respond to any more threads like this, but,,,,

Some of what you see on this board, at least by a couple of people like myself who are AmCits is not bashing our government. We are mentioning something we see as a problem, or something which worries us about current policies.

I know of very few AmCits who don't complain about the government, or it's policies regardless of who the president is or which party is controlling the house. It is one of the things which makes this country as strong as it is. We are free to say what we want, even about our government. (One of the other things which makes our country so strong is our ability to adapt and change very quickly when we need or want to.) On the flip side of this, many of us know that our freedoms come with a price, and we are willing to pay that price if we have to.

Now if questioning American Policies and/or actions makes someone anti-American then I think I might fit that label. Then again so do those soldiers who questioned the SecDef about the armor for their vehicles. (Not getting down on you here guy. I just get kind of tired of being called Anti-American because I question something I don't agree with. It has happened here as it has happened in the real world.) Look at it this way, if you have ever voted against a sitting president in an election then under this criteria you would be considered Anti-American because you were voting against that persons policies.

Cat

 

[Quiet_Cool]

I think Alpaca pretty much painted a good picture.
It isn't necessarily that anyone believes that their country is perfect, or even what OG said about how some have learned.... No one has learned, or ever will. I'm sorry if no one agrees, but world politics will always have the same mistakes in it, just like we here on the AH (we writers anyway) will always make mistakes. Come back in 30 years (if Laurel and Manu want to put that much time into Lit) and you'll have threads started by the people here now about writing in the 1st person vs. writing in the 3rd. Just like now, same mistakes being made in new submissions, same questions about writin and point of view and whatnot. It never changes, and it won't politically either.
Are they un-American? No, not really. What would constitute un-American in my view, would be to attack American values, meaning saying people shouldn't be allowed free speech or allowed to worship as they please. But we tend to forget that politics isn't made or broken in ideals. What we decide is best, and what works as active policy are two very different things. We can all agree on the former; the latter is a very different (very real) issue.

Q_C

 

[thebullet]

Shortly after I came out against going to war in Iraq I was called a traitor. This was after I fully supported the war in Afghanistan. To me Afghanistan was a justifiable war, while Iraq was a war of convenience. Bush had a number of motives for going into Iraq, I guess, but he never told us one that was real. As a relatively well-informed citizen (I pursued news sources from outside the US to get a more 'fair and balanced' view), I didn't believe that Sadaam was a threat to anyone but himself. I just didn't buy the bullcrap that Bush was selling about going into Iraq.

It has been proven that I and the other people who opposed the Iraqi war were correct all along. There were no WMD's. Iraq was no threat to us or anyone else. Iraq had no links to international terrorism.

Why is it that because I didn't believe the President's lies, that makes me anti-American? Why am I a traitor if I prefer truth to fiction?

This country is suffering through some dark days, but we still love it. No right wing lie can take that away from us.

 

[Gary Chambers]

I really can’t get worked up about this. People like Amicus can lift my hackles because they insult other nations and people without provocation, but I can’t get knotted up over what is right or wrong in the U.S.A. today. I know it’s always about the money (same in any country), and in this case the money in question is the petrodollar. Indications are that the petrodollar will become an historical footnote within anywhere from a year to three years, and that could change things considerably. The question then will be, whether Americans keep supporting a regime that wants to fight it’s way out of an economic crisis with bombs and bullets, or whether will they allow some minor congressional investigator to arbitrarily change his own terms of reference to start investigating the president’s mental health? Until we know the answer to that question, I see complaining about America as a waste of time and energy. People who support the Project for a New American Century are not going to change their minds unless forced to do so, and the people currently threatening to apply that force will not start doing so until at least some time in 2005, and in the meantime will not be influenced by anything we say. One might just as well get some sleep. I have to wipe my hard drive this week, so I need all the sleep I can get.

 

[Lord DragonsWing]

I don't think it's rather odd at all, Colly, some of his post was directed at people not Americans. He said "we pay more for drugs than you do," which couldn't mean he was talking to other Americans.

On the other hand, he suggested respondents shut up and write their Representatives, so maybe he was writing to Americans.

If so, maybe the Americans are supposed to take their responses to Lord Dragon's Wing and write them to their Senators, while other people should respond directly to him??

I couldn't tell who the fuck he was talking to, myself. I think it's rather odd anyone responded, period. He didn't say much of anything but to declare his veteran status, and claim American farmers don't care if they get paid for wheat or not, or some such.

Usual incoherent post.

Well cantdog, there were responses. Many beyond the meager mind you have. It seems most understood and I appreciate it. Too bad you didn't.

As for attacking my veteran status, I served proudly with the 7th Special Forces as a medic for 4 years and then with the Kit Carson Scouts on the European border for another 3 years. After that a scout medic with the Tx guard for 4 more years.

If you wish to insult me about asking opinions and calling my threads incoherent then I suggest you start reading the post before responding. Everyone else made intelligent responses except you. You made what I consider a personal attack.

 

[Guest]

Shortly after I came out against going to war in Iraq I was called a traitor. This was after I fully supported the war in Afghanistan. To me Afghanistan was a justifiable war, while Iraq was a war of convenience. Bush had a number of motives for going into Iraq, I guess, but he never told us one that was real. As a relatively well-informed citizen (I pursued news sources from outside the US to get a more 'fair and balanced' view), I didn't believe that Sadaam was a threat to anyone but himself. I just didn't buy the bullcrap that Bush was selling about going into Iraq.

It has been proven that I and the other people who opposed the Iraqi war were correct all along. There were no WMD's. Iraq was no threat to us or anyone else. Iraq had no links to international terrorism.

Why is it that because I didn't believe the President's lies, that makes me anti-American? Why am I a traitor if I prefer truth to fiction?

This country is suffering through some dark days, but we still love it. No right wing lie can take that away from us.

Bullet -

Many U. S. citizens share your views, myself and my husband included. And the entire country would not call you a traitor, just the misguided 51 percent.

Earlier this evening we tolerated dinner at my parent's home (with my sister and her hubby) and suffered quietly - because there is no sense in arguing - through their political discussions.

They aren't U.S. bashers, of course, but they do hold very strong views which quite violently oppose ours.

But so what? They're certainly entitled to their views and their opinions.

That's the very reason the U.S. is the U.S.

Personally, we feel the tide will turn soon (much like after Johnson) and the Shrub's feet of clay will be revealed.

It will probably take decades for the U.S. to rebuild its reputation with rest of the world, however. That's ok. We're young, we're strong, we're brash, and as a nation, we're quite full of shit.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

One Litster, I don't remember whom, had a sigline that read: "A true patriot is always ready to defend his country against itself."

Or something like that. I like it.

ALL countries have faults. The reason why we like to pick on USA in particular, is because it's a super power, which makes the mistakes you guys make all the more serious, as they ultimately end up causing problems for the rest of us, too.

There are ofcourse also lots and lots of things that is good about USA and the Americans. But since there are s many Americans who are tooting their own horn already, many of us don't fee the need to add to that choir. Instead, we nag and complain, hoping to reach and shake up those of you Americans who DON'T have the intelligence and objectivity to see both the positive and negative sides of USA. Those of you who DO see the 2 sides, please don't think that we hate you too. Au contraire, we see you as "the guys on our side". It's your arrogant, pig-headed cousins from the countryside that we hate.

 

[scheherazade_79]

Okay, Maybe I've got this wrong. But I've seen more insults and stats posted against America and out culture here than I've ever seen anywhere else.

We're not perfect. We admit that. Our healthcare system needs revamping, we argue between ourselves about being republican, democrat or independent. We take insults from every country in the world it seems, but everyone ask also ask us for help. We pour billions into the world economy, we find new drugs and our patients pay more than most of the world for them. Shall I continue?

Everytime I turn around it seems someone is putting down America. I'm sorry but I served my country proudly. The same as any Britsh Lancer or French Legionairre. What makes you guys hate us so?

Our pharmacies develop meds and give them to you at a lower cost than we pay. Our farmers ship wheat across the world to help out. We pay the arabs for oil that is not even produced yet, we send our children off to fight for freedom and to die. Yet every time we turn around you put us down. Why?

The list can go on and on. But America and it's citizens doesn't deserve it anymore. If you don't like us then leave us alone. If you have a problem I'd suggest you do like the rest of us do and write our Senators and Representives. Just please, I'm tired of seeing the anti-american sentiment. Before you put us down work out your own affairs.

Fair point. I have no idea why there's more of an anti-American sentiment on this forum than anywhere else. Maybe it has something to do with erotic base of this site clashing with the Bible-bashing, rattlesnake-kissing, happy-clappy, fuck-you politics of the Republicans. Or maybe the US is just turning into the spoilt rich kid in the playground that everyone loves to pick on.

Either way, it's nothing personal. What most people object to isn't the ordinary American in the street, but the upper echelons of government that are duping people into voting for them time and time again.

It's quite depressing, actually. The longer Bush and his cowboys stay in power, the more time they have to get their propaganda machine rolling, and the more likely people are to believe the bullshit that they're being fed.

Difficult as it may be to believe, the majority of Americans still believe that Iraq played a leading role in 9/11. Presumably this is the same majority that keep voting Bush.

Towards the ordinary American in the street, the feeling is more frustration than hatred

 

[cantdog]

Well cantdog, there were responses. Many beyond the meager mind you have. It seems most understood and I appreciate it. Too bad you didn't.

First time you posted on the same thread with me, it was to lie to me, LDW. Bummer I didn't understand why that was, either.

I still am unsure. How about a straight answer? Were you talking to Americans or to the rest of us?

If you're talking to Americans, which I doubted until the bit about the Representatives, then it's not a thread I need to get in on. Thank goodness.

If you were asking the rest of the world what they dislike avbout the country's government right now, this is the best question you could possibly ask. You clearly need that perspective. I hope you get many responses. Being American, I can leave the thread alone. Again, thank goodness.

As for attacking my veteran status, I served proudly with the 7th Special Forces as a medic for 4 years and then with the Kit Carson Scouts on the European border for another 3 years. After that a scout medic with the Tx guard for 4 more years.

As for attacking your veteran status-- no one attacked your veteran status. I listed it as one of the few things I could tell for sure about your post, to wit, the post announced your veteran status. So far, so good. That much is clear. If you think that was an attack, maybe you're a little too defensive about it.

If you wish to insult me about asking opinions and calling my threads incoherent then I suggest you start reading the post before responding. Everyone else made intelligent responses except you. You made what I consider a personal attack.

Yep. I know you do. You consider a lot of things personal attacks. That's the way it goes.

What I attacked, if anything, was a post I couldn't figure out. Incoherent, I believe I called it. Not you, notice, but the post.

But if the shoe fits, wear it. I displayed a general garment: He says he's a veteran. You claim that's an insult, cut to your fit. Maybe it is, in your mind. Sorry about that. Most veterans are proud at the very least of the impulse which caused them to take that step.

 

[Virtual_Burlesque]

Cantdog,


Which kind of patches are you using.

The only ones I know to work for sure are the ones that take three months. One month of heavy nicotine, on month of normal nicotine, and one month of light nicotine.

In the case of the guy who I know quit using them, he requred an extra month of the light patches. Didn't use them every day, just when it got bad.

It was a wonder he was able to quit at all: a three-pack-a-day habit he had been trying to break every month (it seemed) for several years --- and never got past the third day without the patches.

 

[cantdog]

I would have liked a month of the 7 mg ones. They came with only 2 week's worth, though. Now they're gone. I guess I'll need another box of the things, as you say.

I was merely a pipe smoker. The 21 mg ones were much too strong, delivering a lot more than I ever was used to getting. I heaved them. I didn't need to increase my level. Second day, I went to the 14's, and that let me quit. Almost. I spent two days with two 7's, even though they don't recommend that.

Then one seven, until the day when there were none left. That was yesterday.

I don't recall the brand, though. Nico-whatsit? I can do this, I think. I still cough, but I tell myself I'm actually clearing the lungs doing it. We'll see.

 

[Fag-Ash_Lil]

Got any spare ciggies, Cantdog?

It is a very BAD idea to have any hidden away. Give them to me and I'll hide them so you'll never find them.

You might lose the hacking cough and stinking breath I have. I am a dire warning to anyone who thinks of starting smoking again.

Apart from the frazzled brain and missing tit, I smell so bad that people instinctively move up wind from me.

Fag-Ash_Lil

PS: I don't mind rolling ciggies from pipe tobacco. Throw any left over tobacco my way.

Wanders off singing 'I did it my way' interspersed with hacking coughs.